(04-05-2017 09:20 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:01 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:49 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I've yet to see expansion plan in this thread that guarantees the MAC a 2nd bid. Until I do, there is no point in expanding as we'll just be splitting the same sized pie more ways. The at-large bid that the MVC got every 2-3 years is going to now go to the AAC, not the MAC.

why does expansion have to be the solution?

I don't feel it is the solution. The teams currently in the MAC finding ways of getting (and retaining) better coaches, obtaining better facilities, and attracting better players is the real solution.

Or just have Ohio & Akron move to the MVC as part of a 12 team expansion plan...

There were inquires for this package by the MVC when Creighton left.

(04-05-2017 09:20 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:01 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:49 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I've yet to see expansion plan in this thread that guarantees the MAC a 2nd bid. Until I do, there is no point in expanding as we'll just be splitting the same sized pie more ways. The at-large bid that the MVC got every 2-3 years is going to now go to the AAC, not the MAC.

why does expansion have to be the solution?

I don't feel it is the solution. The teams currently in the MAC finding ways of getting (and retaining) better coaches, obtaining better facilities, and attracting better players is the real solution.

Precisely. Any school that is would jump at the MAC's call is a school that is not going to give an instant boost to the MAC's conference RPI.

'16 Akrons rpi was 34
'14 Toledo rpi was 38
'10 Kent rpi was 47, 6 at-large taken after 47 [Minn at 62]
i tought Buffalo got robbed 1 yr also
Minn at 62, that proablly MAC biggest promblem.
B-10, A-10, MVC & now AAC & B-E getting multable bids thru that region
that would marketing & exposure promblem
expansion & more money would help

how Temple burn ya, they were invited to BE
pd 2x amount because sch was made up
MAC mistake was not having BB part of agreement completed

It amazes me how much people still overvalue RPI. Akron got a 6 seed in the NIT in '16 with an RPI rank of 34. Granted I feel the NIT under seeded them, however, they were rightfully left out of the tournament.

overvalue rpi
i think it's strange , only schools left out of tourn in top 50,
r midmajors

Yes, mid-majors that played very weak schedules to pad their win total.

p-6 schools don't pad there ooc sch

RPI is fool's gold. Quality wins are the only thing that matters. None of those MAC teams you listed really had at large worthy OOC resumes compared to the other at large teams those years. None. You simply have to show you can beat top 50 type teams. There is no other way.

(04-06-2017 06:13 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  It amazes me how much people still overvalue RPI. Akron got a 6 seed in the NIT in '16 with an RPI rank of 34. Granted I feel the NIT under seeded them, however, they were rightfully left out of the tournament.

Notice how you basically ignore the metric I pointed to to make your point about a different metric ... since a school "from a better conference" with that high of an individual RPI would at the very least have been in the conversation. After all, all of the multi-bid schools this season came from the top 9 conferences in the conference RPI list.

Now, its obviously just a shorthand, since a school with enough name recognition and quality wins can get an at-large bid ~ like WSU last year ~ but it's a much more useful short-hand at the conference level than it is at the level of the individual school.

And the point being argued is independent of the metric ... the only schools that will jump at a chance to play basketball in the MAC are schools that will not improve the standing of existing MAC schools for at-large selection for the NCAA Tournament ... or even for at-large selection for the NIT Tournament.

(04-07-2017 12:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 06:13 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  It amazes me how much people still overvalue RPI. Akron got a 6 seed in the NIT in '16 with an RPI rank of 34. Granted I feel the NIT under seeded them, however, they were rightfully left out of the tournament.

Notice how you basically ignore the metric I pointed to to make your point about a different metric ... since a school "from a better conference" with that high of an individual RPI would at the very least have been in the conversation. After all, all of the multi-bid schools this season came from the top 9 conferences in the conference RPI list.

Now, its obviously just a shorthand, since a school with enough name recognition and quality wins can get an at-large bid ~ like WSU last year ~ but it's a much more useful short-hand at the conference level than it is at the level of the individual school.

And the point being argued is independent of the metric ... the only schools that will jump at a chance to play basketball in the MAC are schools that will not improve the standing of existing MAC schools for at-large selection for the NCAA Tournament ... or even for at-large selection for the NIT Tournament.

My comment was directed towards Templefootball. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying.

(04-07-2017 06:11 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  My comment was directed towards Templefootball. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying.

Ah ... I couldn't make out what he was saying, but props to you if you could decode it well enough to criticize it.

What is a "templefan" who cannot string words into coherent sentences doing on a MAC board, anyway? I thought the AAC had some exciting news to talk about on their board.

(04-08-2017 06:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:11 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  My comment was directed towards Templefootball. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying.

Ah ... I couldn't make out what he was saying, but props to you if you could decode it well enough to criticize it.

What is a "templefan" who cannot string words into coherent sentences doing on a MAC board, anyway? I thought the AAC had some exciting news to talk about on their board.

He was a regular poster when Temple was in the MAC. The only guy I knew that predicted the B12 would be carved up a couple years before it happened.

His daughter I believe went to school at Bowling Green so as a parent of a MAC alum I can see where he'd be interested.

I say screw the SOS approach if its impossible to get HRB schools to play us at home.

Priority 1: Preseason tournaments
Priority 2: H/H with HRB schools
Priority 3: Buy games against Mid-Majors

Hire great coaches, line up the games and wins as many as possible.

Even if the MAC is only 1 bid at least they'll have a chance at a better seed.

kit Cat, i still bragg about realalinement board gold medal you gave me
you see that McGF, way ahead of my time

(04-08-2017 04:14 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  kit Cat, i still bragg about realalinement board gold medal you gave me
you see that McGF, way ahead of my time

The MAC should be playing the MWC which is its peer conference. Both are 12 teams leagues that play football and are balanced leagues in basketball. They could give each team 2 home and 2 away games. that would be 48 games vs the MWC for the MAC. The leagues could even get creative and host neutral court quadruple headers in like Las Vegas and Cleveland. They use the Q a Saturday/Sunday in December for the event. Imagine the MAC having Akron, Kent State, Ohio and Toledo at the Q and playing UNLV, Nevada, San Diego State and New Mexico on a Saturday/Sunday deal playing 2 games games back to back and have same deal in Las Vegas with 2 games back to back on a weekend. Get ESPN2 or CBSSN to Televise the games. Both conferences get teams a couple games on the very same court they hold their conference tournaments on to get a little feel for the arenas. Maybe offer free MAC tournament quarters tickets if they buy this event or tickets to the MAC football title game.

i liked MAC fb games vs B-10 in pro stadiums
i like to see them comeback, nice on labour wkend,
be like bowl trip

(04-09-2017 03:01 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  The MAC should be playing the MWC which is its peer conference. Both are 12 teams leagues that play football and are balanced leagues in basketball. They could give each team 2 home and 2 away games. that would be 48 games vs the MWC for the MAC. The leagues could even get creative and host neutral court quadruple headers in like Las Vegas and Cleveland. They use the Q a Saturday/Sunday in December for the event. Imagine the MAC having Akron, Kent State, Ohio and Toledo at the Q and playing UNLV, Nevada, San Diego State and New Mexico on a Saturday/Sunday deal playing 2 games games back to back and have same deal in Las Vegas with 2 games back to back on a weekend. Get ESPN2 or CBSSN to Televise the games. Both conferences get teams a couple games on the very same court they hold their conference tournaments on to get a little feel for the arenas. Maybe offer free MAC tournament quarters tickets if they buy this event or tickets to the MAC football title game.

I kind of like that idea.

(04-09-2017 09:58 AM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 03:01 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  The MAC should be playing the MWC which is its peer conference. Both are 12 teams leagues that play football and are balanced leagues in basketball. They could give each team 2 home and 2 away games. that would be 48 games vs the MWC for the MAC. The leagues could even get creative and host neutral court quadruple headers in like Las Vegas and Cleveland. They use the Q a Saturday/Sunday in December for the event. Imagine the MAC having Akron, Kent State, Ohio and Toledo at the Q and playing UNLV, Nevada, San Diego State and New Mexico on a Saturday/Sunday deal playing 2 games games back to back and have same deal in Las Vegas with 2 games back to back on a weekend. Get ESPN2 or CBSSN to Televise the games. Both conferences get teams a couple games on the very same court they hold their conference tournaments on to get a little feel for the arenas. Maybe offer free MAC tournament quarters tickets if they buy this event or tickets to the MAC football title game.

I kind of like that idea.

I agree.. Buffalo played Nevada this past season in Alaska and it was a really fun game to watch. UB lost by five, but it really could have helped their RPI with a win and it didn't hurt it at all with the loss.