Interesting article on former Gonzaga Coach, Don Monsoon, now the coach at Long Beach State.
The MAC Conference would be wise to copy Monsons strategy on building a winner at Long Beach by scheduling tough OOC games.

"This year, Long Beach State played North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, Louisville, Wichita State and Texas. The 49ers won the Big West in 2012, and they were favored to win the league this season, but fell short."

I see a couple of advantages: 1) This schedule will help with Recruiting since good players want to play the best competition. 2) A great way to acquire funds that will enable you to 3) Pay good mid major teams to play at your home.

MAC teams need better OOC schedules to rebuild our image and credibility. The lack of national respect for MAC Basketball is why we've not grown into a NCAA multibid Conference.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotr...y,amp.html

(04-02-2017 12:27 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  The MAC Conference

no, no, no, no, LBSU is the example of how NOT to build a strong OOC. Look at this season-


L 3 @Kansas
L 5 @UNC
L 7 @Louisville
L 16 @UCLA
L 32 @Wichita St
L 59 @NMSU
W 66 Colorado St
L 85 @FGCU
L 157 @Texas
L 175 @EMU
L 210 @Washington
W 246 Pepperdine
W 281 @Oregon St
L 312 vsBinghampton

3-12 overall: 2-0 H, 0-1 N, 1-11 A.

There is no reason to schedule 5 top 50 teams on the road in 1 season. This schedule is just as bad as playing cupcakes. Find the balance. MAC teams should be loading up on schools that live in the 50-125 RPI range with an outlier or 2 above and below.

be SMART.

(04-02-2017 03:42 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  no, no, no, no, LBSU is the example of how NOT to build a strong OOC. Look at this season-


L 3 @Kansas
L 5 @UNC
L 7 @Louisville
L 16 @UCLA
L 32 @Wichita St
L 59 @NMSU
W 66 Colorado St
L 85 @FGCU
L 157 @Texas
L 175 @EMU
L 210 @Washington
W 246 Pepperdine
W 281 @Oregon St
L 312 vsBinghampton

3-12 overall: 2-0 H, 0-1 N, 1-11 A.

There is no reason to schedule 5 top 50 teams on the road in 1 season. This schedule is just as bad as playing cupcakes. Find the balance. MAC teams should be loading up on schools that live in the 50-125 RPI range with an outlier or 2 above and below.

be SMART.

The MAC has 'legislated' against the idea of playing all those games on the road. TWO fricking OOC home games.

My eyes got sore looking at all of those '@' signs.

(04-02-2017 08:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 03:42 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  no, no, no, no, LBSU is the example of how NOT to build a strong OOC. Look at this season-


L 3 @Kansas
L 5 @UNC
L 7 @Louisville
L 16 @UCLA
L 32 @Wichita St
L 59 @NMSU
W 66 Colorado St
L 85 @FGCU
L 157 @Texas
L 175 @EMU
L 210 @Washington
W 246 Pepperdine
W 281 @Oregon St
L 312 vsBinghampton

3-12 overall: 2-0 H, 0-1 N, 1-11 A.

There is no reason to schedule 5 top 50 teams on the road in 1 season. This schedule is just as bad as playing cupcakes. Find the balance. MAC teams should be loading up on schools that live in the 50-125 RPI range with an outlier or 2 above and below.

be SMART.

The MAC has 'legislated' against the idea of playing all those games on the road. TWO fricking OOC home games.

My eyes got sore looking at all of those '@' signs.

MAC should concentrate on the OVC, Horizon, MVC, so many teams in these three conferences alone. No reason at all for CMU to be hosting D2, NAIA programs. It is embarrassing and does not benefit the team at all

Rockets have added Kansas and Syracuse to their OOC schedule.

It would be great to have the MAC pair up with the OVC, Horizon, and MVC and have long-term agreements for OOC scheduling.

Something like having each MAC team play a home and away game against teams from each of these conferences. And it'll be better if we can line them up with similar strength teams - the top MAC teams play the top OVC, Horizon, and MVC teams, and the bottom teams play the bottom teams.

That'll give every team 6 solid games OOC each year. Ideally, we can get some press out of it, if there's some competition to show which of these conferences is the best

(04-03-2017 10:41 AM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  It would be great to have the MAC pair up with the OVC, Horizon, and MVC and have long-term agreements for OOC scheduling.

Something like having each MAC team play a home and away game against teams from each of these conferences. And it'll be better if we can line them up with similar strength teams - the top MAC teams play the top OVC, Horizon, and MVC teams, and the bottom teams play the bottom teams.

That'll give every team 6 solid games OOC each year. Ideally, we can get some press out of it, if there's some competition to show which of these conferences is the best

With Wichita State in the MVC a MAC/MVC challenge would have never been possible as Wichita State would never agree to play at places like the JAR. With them gone (assuming they are really leaving) the MAC/MVC will be closer to equal footing and such a scheduling agreement could take place. MAC schools already play a fair amount of Horizon schools so I'm not sure there is any agreement we really need with them.

(04-02-2017 12:27 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I see a couple of advantages: 1) This schedule will help with Recruiting since good players want to play the best competition. 2) A great way to acquire funds that will enable you to 3) Pay good mid major teams to play at your home.

And none of those advantages have been actualized other than #2. Monson has been there eleven years. Long Beach State has had a losing record in three of the past four seasons. When is that recruiting advantage supposed to kick in?

(04-02-2017 03:42 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  no, no, no, no, LBSU is the example of how NOT to build a strong OOC. Look at this season-


L 3 @Kansas
L 5 @UNC
L 7 @Louisville
L 16 @UCLA
L 32 @Wichita St
L 59 @NMSU
W 66 Colorado St
L 85 @FGCU
L 157 @Texas
L 175 @EMU
L 210 @Washington
W 246 Pepperdine
W 281 @Oregon St
L 312 vsBinghampton

3-12 overall: 2-0 H, 0-1 N, 1-11 A.

There is no reason to schedule 5 top 50 teams on the road in 1 season. This schedule is just as bad as playing cupcakes. Find the balance. MAC teams should be loading up on schools that live in the 50-125 RPI range with an outlier or 2 above and below.

be SMART.

For a moment I thought that was an old Miami schedule. Yikes!

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(04-03-2017 10:41 AM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  It would be great to have the MAC pair up with the OVC, Horizon, and MVC and have long-term agreements for OOC scheduling.

Something like having each MAC team play a home and away game against teams from each of these conferences. And it'll be better if we can line them up with similar strength teams - the top MAC teams play the top OVC, Horizon, and MVC teams, and the bottom teams play the bottom teams.

That'll give every team 6 solid games OOC each year. Ideally, we can get some press out of it, if there's some competition to show which of these conferences is the best

Great idea!

you guys make no sence, BB agreements with UMASS [kick out] & Temple [cry about]
FB in huge markets
now you want to explore new markets strenghted BB sch
sorry, dont know what happed from here down

(01-12-2017 12:20 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 12:13 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  This is the future for San Diego State University...

So you guys would create another campus, and that's where the new OCS would be? How far away from the main campus is it?
Cheers!

(03-12-2017 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No other place has near the supply of decadence and escorts, to charge to the university travel accounts.


As an aside: I see that Nevada won the MWC tournament. I thought Nevada had a really good program back in the WAC, but seems they've been down in the MWC?

(03-12-2017 12:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 12:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Big West didn't hold it in Nevada, instead using their traditional venue, the Honda Center in Anaheim. Among the others, the Big Sky was the only one not to hold it in Vegas, holding it in Reno. Somehow, I think there was room in Vegas if necessary for the other two, especially since the WCC ends early in the week. The MGM Grand and Mandalay Bay is still possible 4X.

What's the issue, no other place out west can draw?

When the Big Sky put their tournament up for bids, Las Vegas didn't have an opening. That has changed, as the T-MOBILE Arena got built, which will host the new NHL team. The PAC12 moved their tournament there, creating an open arena for that weekend. The Big Sky will take in bids again for the 2019-21 tournaments, and Las Vegas will submit one this time. Billings and Spokane got support, but Reno bid was much higher.

(03-15-2017 09:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 08:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 04:26 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  "SMU with Larry Brown might be the new Steve Fisher SDSU" - the guy who yesterday said the WCC was even or ahead of the AAC.

Oops. Deserved ridicule. I guess the AAC is too invisible these days for somebody in the west to notice that.

I stand on the WCC being better positioned now and going forward than the AAC. This has much to do with their regional built in advantage that would take some explaining. It results in them having more visibility on the Pacific coast than the other mid-majors conferences including the MWC. It also gives them an edge in recruiting the bench depth quality (Catholic HS leagues, which are also the provider of the bulk of their student body). Coaches still have to recruit the top talent to be anything - and most can't. Anyway that local advantage (being private and faith based of the higher admission standards) provides a resilience lacking in the public schools, and is why they have not declined. (Perhaps I should say they have passed most leagues by not declining, that is the miracle of attrition, as opposed to improving.)

Most people East of the Rockies (where all the population is) could not tell you the WCC even exists.

Why does a guy who roots for SJSU (San Jose-- MWC) and tOSU (Ohio State is tOSU but given your western proclivity are you a Beavers fan?) even care to indulge in some fantasy that the WCC is greater than the AAC?

(03-15-2017 11:58 AM)itsbraille49 Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 10:30 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:03 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yea former NBA guys as college coaches usually does not work out, see FIU and countless other examples to this...

I've got no issue with his coaching, but his inability to recruit is baffling.

His coaching is pretty baffling too.

(03-18-2017 10:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-18-2017 09:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-18-2017 01:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:52 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Valparaiso and UIC after Missouri State also bolts.

Agree with Valpo and UIC as likely targets (as the MVC demographically needs a bigger presence in the Chicago area), but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

Missouri State's best option appears to be working to help the Valley find a replacement for Wichita State.

That leaves Saint Louis, UMKC, Oral Roberts, Little Rock, and Southeast Missouri State. SLU isn't coming. Oral Roberts is a private. Little Rock doesn't have enough sports and stretches the geography south, SEMO has a football problem. So its basically UMKC.

Does UMKC water down the basketball product though?

I know Missouri State might like UMKC as infill for Wichita State but they seem to water down the brand.

Ohio doesn't water down the MVC brand. Basketball budget would be near the top of the MVC. 13,000 seat basketball arena with a planned expansion. Football is FBS and is strong enough now to stand by itself without the MAC. MVC is the conference a lot of our fans want because the school is located in the lower Midwest not the upper Midwest like the other MAC schools.

(03-20-2017 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No to WV. Because of research, and low state population.

Iowa St yes.

(03-20-2017 10:58 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I see a merger between the big12 and the AAC except that Texas would not be allowed in the new super conference, Nebraska would take their place then the ACC invites Texas and they accept then ND becomes full ACC member and everything is just peachy and stable with the ACC until one day during a conference lunch everybody starts to realize that their stomachs are exploding and a bunch of little longhorns come clawing their way out and scurry away only to coalesce into a giant ego trip blob with longhorns leaving behind the skeletal remains that was once the great and stable ACC
Then just like that the SEC sees a great opportunity to add Texas to their conference and mint even more gold with their new found friends and proceed to rejoice in a great big luncheon when suddenly their stomachs EXPLODE! ... and then on to another conference and so on......"and now for something completely different"
Have fun boys...

(03-29-2017 01:06 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 12:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I was responding to a claim that would have happened. Scroll back up.

If so then my mistake.

(03-31-2017 12:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 12:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I want to say as well the year before VCU made the final 4, they won either the CBI or CIT.

Yep. They aren't included in that total.

(04-01-2017 05:29 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 04:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 04:19 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 04:17 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  I'd imagine Georgetown would have an easier time finding candidates.

I think what Bragg is saying is that the Hoyas are trying so hard to make a "splash" hire.



That limits the field of candidates considerably.

I buy that explanation. The candidates billyjack listed here are good quality. My one concern with Randy Bennett, if I was a Hoya fan, is that he's spent practically his entire coaching career on the west coast. He has an Aussie pipeline, but would that transfer over to DC?

For highest splash appeal I would rank them in this order:

1. Patrick Ewing
2. Randy Bennett
3. Tom Crean
4. Tommy Amaker
5. Danny Hurley
6. King Rice
7. Jamion Christian

Of those, I think Amaker is the one Georgetown will ultimately go with. Ewing would be the obvious choice except for the fact he has no head coaching experience.

Amaker seems like the likely choice.

(04-05-2017 02:33 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you guys make no sence, BB agreements with UMASS [kick out] & Temple [cry about]
FB in huge markets
now you want to explore new markets strenghted BB sch
sorry, dont know what happed from here down

UMass knew the rules of the agreement at the time and was the odd team out. We gave Temple FB a lifeline and they burned us.

At we make more sense than the AAC Board when we discuss these topics

I've yet to see expansion plan in this thread that guarantees the MAC a 2nd bid. Until I do, there is no point in expanding as we'll just be splitting the same sized pie more ways. The at-large bid that the MVC got every 2-3 years is going to now go to the AAC, not the MAC.

People continue to try to come up with some half-assed scheme to get an at-large bid for the conference when the solution is simpler, but just difficult: MATCH THE BUDGETS AND FACILITIES OF THE PROGRAMS THAT DO GET AT-LARGE BIDS. Until that happens, you are just praying for a fluke season where all the stars align. Those are rare. Just get better. Adding this or that school is not going to make your school better. Look at those non-power conference schools that get the occasional at-large bid and see what they do that your school does not do for basketball. Copy them.

there were a couple times MAC got robbed a 2nd bid
which tell u markets & exposure also fit into the equation

(04-05-2017 03:12 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  there were a couple times MAC got robbed a 2nd bid
which tell u markets & exposure also fit into the equation

Really? Who in the recent (8-10 years)past was that? I really can't find a season when a MAC team was the first team out. I've been a MAC fan for a very long time and the resumes just haven't been there.

(04-05-2017 11:49 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I've yet to see expansion plan in this thread that guarantees the MAC a 2nd bid. Until I do, there is no point in expanding as we'll just be splitting the same sized pie more ways. The at-large bid that the MVC got every 2-3 years is going to now go to the AAC, not the MAC.

why does expansion have to be the solution?

(04-05-2017 09:01 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:49 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I've yet to see expansion plan in this thread that guarantees the MAC a 2nd bid. Until I do, there is no point in expanding as we'll just be splitting the same sized pie more ways. The at-large bid that the MVC got every 2-3 years is going to now go to the AAC, not the MAC.

why does expansion have to be the solution?

I don't feel it is the solution. The teams currently in the MAC finding ways of getting (and retaining) better coaches, obtaining better facilities, and attracting better players is the real solution.

#1 thing that can be done is improve the coaching.

The last 5 years or so the MAC is doing that with the A10 level hires they've been making. Some of the guys have bailed out early (Hurley & Christian). It's to the point now that even Miami can make a quality hire because it's a "MAC job".

When the play improves then comes the donors who feel motivated once the school has a program to donate for improvements. It's the chicken or the egg. Miami's guy has to start winning for the wheels to turn, then pay to keep him to show they are serious.