So we go into this weekend with 5558 homers on the season. The record all time is 5693 so only 135 homers back. Guess it's possible if this is a crazy weekend the record gets set on Sunday(wouldn't it be something if it got set on Sunday night baseball?).

So Colorado's last 8 days shows something that has hurt Colorado this year. When they've gotten hot- they have never gained ground on whoever it was they were competing with...

Colorado 6-2 last 8 games- 4 each with the Dodgers and D'backs. Arizona went 4-3 and was already going into the period 7.5 games up so only lost 1.5 of those games....

But Milwaukee in period was 5-1 and St Louis went 5-2 in the period. And now Colorado is only 2.5 games up on both of them and 2 in the loss column with 15-16 games to go. And with the schedule the way it is with the Brewers and Cards both playing Cubs(who are 0.5 games up on Rockies and 3 games up on Brewers/Cards)- Central team chasing Colorado will be getting better as we go on here guaranteed.

ok maybe absolute best stat ever

The Indians have allowed 37 runs during their 22-game win streak.
The Mets have allowed 39 runs in their last 22 innings.

saw this stat- of all MLB pitchers who threw at least 50 innings since August 1- only Aaron Nola and that's right Bartolo Colon have a worse ERA than Chris Sale has in that period. And it's not like Sale is that much better than they are- Sale is at 4.25 in that period, and Nola is at 4.37 and Colon is at 4.50.

The AL Cy Young race is all but over. If Kluber has 3 good starts, there's nothing that Sale can do now.

I'll say this as well, you wonder if the success that Kluber has had down the stretch(8-1 1.67 since Aug 1)- after not pitching much at all in April/May(only 37.1 innings of work- by comparison Sale had 78) if you think that this may be a sea change in terms of how teams handle their pitchers. Ease them into the season and then work them like a horse from June on. Kluber since 6/1 has thrown 22 innings more than any other MLB pitcher.

well right now I think I will say the AL Cy Young race IS over. Kluber with 7 shutout innings- extending his shutout streak to 22 innings....

Kluber now 16-4 and in line for win with a 2.35 ERA. Kluber now has a 0.51 ERA lead.

(07-24-2017 03:39 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  If Kluber pitches to a 1.52 ERA the rest of the way, i'll bow down to your genius

I was a bit off. Kluber since then has had a 1.84 ERA. But now since 8/1 his ERA was 1.52 ERA. Sale has struggled some, but Kluber has really won it.

Well Stanton hits #56 today. Only 10 guys have hit more than he has in a single season. With 10 games to go now after today. With 6 of those being only at Arizona and Colorado- 2 pretty decent hitting parks.

He's now up to #197 in career homers at 264. He and Justin Upton are the only 2 guys in MLB top 400 in homers hit that are less than 30 right now.

(07-09-2017 09:15 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 08:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 12:32 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just think Sale is far more vulnerable than you want to think he is. If the season ends with
Kluber 15-4 with a 2.25 ERA in 195 innings
Sale 18-6 with a 2.90 ERA in 225 innings

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So tell me how exactly Sale would have much of a shot? Sale would need to have a pretty darn good 2nd half of the season to beat them.

With those numbers, if Sale also has 300 Ks (very realistic), he wins.

Except after tonight, Sale has a 176-123 K difference- and since June 1, Kluber has actually struck out 14 more guys than Sale has. So if the gap is 300-250, that's going to be pretty much meaningless....

I mean- looking at it with the tracker.
Sale- 18-6 72 ER in 225 innings- or a 2.88 ERA with 300 k's- 88.5 pts
Kluber- 15-4 49 ER in 195 innings- or a 2.26 ERA with 250 k's- 88.5 pts

so a tie. With Kluber being MUCH stronger since June 1.

Kluber is a guy that Sale can't use the strikeout card and have it be all that overwhelming.

Why are you expecting Kluber to have a 2.26 ERA? He'd have to be AMAZING the rest of the way. Like peak Kershaw

I want it noted right here and now....
Kluber 18-4 2.27 ERA. So I was off by 0.01. Shoot me, why don't you.

(09-20-2017 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Well Stanton hits #56 today. Only 10 guys have hit more than he has in a single season. With 10 games to go now after today. With 6 of those being only at Arizona and Colorado- 2 pretty decent hitting parks.

He's now up to #197 in career homers at 264. He and Justin Upton are the only 2 guys in MLB top 400 in homers hit that are less than 30 right now.

Paul Goldschmidt is 29, and cracked the top 400 over the weekend.

yeah and there's actually 1 other. Someone named Mike Trout.

Oh and Bryce Harper is only 26 homers away right now at 150. Going to be fun to watch Stanton(265 at 27), Trout(197 at 25), and Harper(150 at 24)- make their ways up in the next several years.

(09-25-2017 01:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah and there's actually 1 other. Someone named Mike Trout.

Oh and Bryce Harper is only 26 homers away right now at 150. Going to be fun to watch Stanton(265 at 27), Trout(197 at 25), and Harper(150 at 24)- make their ways up in the next several years.

Freddie Freeman and Anthony Rizzo at 27 (177 HR each)
Nolan Arenado at 26 (146 HR)
Manny Machado at 24 (138 HR)

Freeman and Rizzo have 166 hr.

Aaron Judge just hit #50- breaking McGwire's all time rookie record....

I think the awards may be easier than we think...
NL MVP- Stanton
NL Cy Young- Scherzer
NL ROY- Bellinger
AL MVP- Judge
AL Cy Young- Kluber
AL ROY- Judge

(09-25-2017 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Freeman and Rizzo have 166 hr.

Aaron Judge just hit #50- breaking McGwire's all time rookie record....

I think the awards may be easier than we think...
NL MVP- Stanton
NL Cy Young- Scherzer
NL ROY- Bellinger
AL MVP- Judge
AL Cy Young- Kluber
AL ROY- Judge

Stanton will likely win, but it makes a mockery of MVP. Marlins, other than one brief run, have been a non-entity this year. The ball is juiced, everyone is hitting HR at a record pace.

JD Martinez or Paul Goldschmidt are more worthy of MVP At this point, Martinez would be my pick.

For AL MVP, again, you are relying on HR. Jose Altuve makes a much better candidate. But at least if Judge wins it, his team is in the playoffs.

(09-25-2017 03:42 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Freeman and Rizzo have 166 hr.

Aaron Judge just hit #50- breaking McGwire's all time rookie record....

I think the awards may be easier than we think...
NL MVP- Stanton
NL Cy Young- Scherzer
NL ROY- Bellinger
AL MVP- Judge
AL Cy Young- Kluber
AL ROY- Judge

Stanton will likely win, but it makes a mockery of MVP. Marlins, other than one brief run, have been a non-entity this year. The ball is juiced, everyone is hitting HR at a record pace.

JD Martinez or Paul Goldschmidt are more worthy of MVP At this point, Martinez would be my pick.

For AL MVP, again, you are relying on HR. Jose Altuve makes a much better candidate. But at least if Judge wins it, his team is in the playoffs.

Is it the ball that's juiced?

We've all seen enough PED usage now that we should be skeptical any time someone breaks a record set by someone who was doping. Canseco wrote in his book that he and McGwire were injecting each other with 'roids when McGwire set that record.

Lance Armstrong swore for years that he was riding clean while he was beating admitted and caught dopers seven years in a row in the Tour de France. Later on, people shook their heads and asked why the heck they ever believed him.

(09-25-2017 04:02 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 03:42 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Freeman and Rizzo have 166 hr.

Aaron Judge just hit #50- breaking McGwire's all time rookie record....

I think the awards may be easier than we think...
NL MVP- Stanton
NL Cy Young- Scherzer
NL ROY- Bellinger
AL MVP- Judge
AL Cy Young- Kluber
AL ROY- Judge

Stanton will likely win, but it makes a mockery of MVP. Marlins, other than one brief run, have been a non-entity this year. The ball is juiced, everyone is hitting HR at a record pace.

JD Martinez or Paul Goldschmidt are more worthy of MVP At this point, Martinez would be my pick.

For AL MVP, again, you are relying on HR. Jose Altuve makes a much better candidate. But at least if Judge wins it, his team is in the playoffs.

Is it the ball that's juiced?

We've all seen enough PED usage now that we should be skeptical any time someone breaks a record set by someone who was doping. Canseco wrote in his book that he and McGwire were injecting each other with 'roids when McGwire set that record.

Lance Armstrong swore for years that he was riding clean while he was beating admitted and caught dopers seven years in a row in the Tour de France. Later on, people shook their heads and asked why the heck they ever believed him.

Given the widespread nature of the home run barrage (most ever in MLB history) I would lean more towards the ball.

In the AL, Judge actually leads the league in WAR. Really what is Altuve's credentials? batting average?

NL- kind of tough to give MVP to a guy who only played in 57 games so far.

I just think if Stanton gets 60, going to be awfully difficult to not give it to him.

well I think it's pretty much over for the AL Cy Young....

FIP margin now is 2.45-2.51- Sale Advantage. That's right- Sale's FIP right now is only 0.06 better than Kluber. 9 homers in 29 ip this month alone. I absolutely LOL at all the advanced metrics folks who still want to act like it's close- after saying 3 starts ago that those 3 starts would make the difference. Well in those 3 starts- Sale gives up 9 runs in 18.2 innings with a whopping 6 homers. Kluber on the other hand in 2 starts gives up 0 er in 14 innings pitched. 2/19 bb/k ratio.

I get how good Sale is. And it sucks for him that he's not won a CYA. He's the proverbial best guy right now never to win one. But the fact is when you look at the final stats, Kluber's numbers are stronger than Sale's. It's amazing the run that Kluber put together- he just got on a roll and Sale just didn't have an answer. Sale opened up the door enough, and Kluber knocked it down......

gotta love folks who bow to advanced metrics. There was a guy on FG who still thinks Sale should win the MVP...... The guy won't even come close to winning the Cy Young.

just saw Keith Law from ESPN not only gave Sale the Cy Young, but also has him 4th in MVP voting. WTF are these guys drinking. Sorry that your precious advanced metrics stuff says Sale, but realistically, he's got no chance in hell.

At least guys like Jon Heyman have it right- saying that Kluber has it locked up. Only drama to me is how close to unanimous it is quite frankly.

well Stanton with 2 homers last night to give him 59. Also leads the league in WAR. Going to be really tough for him to not win now....

As far as Goldschmidt- he's been the 4th worst player in the NL for the month of September. -0.3 WAR and 51 wRC+. Tough to win the award with that finishing kick.