(01-31-2017 05:28 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 02:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The way I see it if you have to bring someone into the country to fulfill a job. said person should be paid 3x the traditional wage for that field. that would force companies to look domestically to train someone to fulfill that job and it would certainly end the disney crap.

obviously you would need a carefully worded exemption for cases where a company is simply trying to attract a specific individual because they consider him incredibly talented and a valuable asset.

My gosh. I'm actually agreeing with Johnny.

America first.

Me too. Maybe not 3 times, but certainly well above 'scale'... especially if there is literally nobody in the US who can/will do the job. Of course if it paid 3 times, maybe they would.

(01-31-2017 05:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  H-1B's aren't taking visas away from Americans because there are no Americans who can do the work. Over half the advanced degrees in IT fields at US universities are going to foreigners because we don't have Americans who can get into the programs. The fix is to fix our education system until Americans can qualify for those slots, but we are nowhere near there today.

If they can't work in the US, the software companies have no alternative but to move their tech centers overseas. That means that the US loses jobs and economic growth and tax revenues. The alternative is that we train those brains and then lose them forever.

Disagree? Fine. Explain to me how things could work differently.

It's not so much disagreeing as it is attempting to fix the problem. You can't merely focus on supply... you have to focus on demand as well. Yes, we have to fix our educational system, but we also have to create demand. If that demand can be filled from external sources and thus creates no upward pressure on wages, then why should US students line up?

I think the issue very clearly ISN'T the truly exceptional people... of which there is a shortage... and this EO doesn't impact, but the far less exceptional.

To be honest, this is an issue for my son's GF... and it's a major issue. She doesn't want to become a citizen but wants to live and work here. She's an artist. The US would allow her to be a dual citizen, but her home country would not. She obviously came here because we offered an opportunity she couldn't get at home... so she wants the best of both worlds... simultaneously... but wants us to change our visa rules as opposed to her home country not 'disowning' her if she is a dual citizen. Amusing because they focus on being citizens of the world... but the moment you become a citizen of another country, they kick you out.

I fail to see why this is a problem that WE need to fix.