I've got a feeling Leonard Hamilton would have killed it here.

(01-29-2017 08:15 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I will close with this observation that I have made also. I got my first lead management position in business when I was only 24 years old. I was a hard worker, I had empathy for people, and I knew my job very well. However I lacked leadership ability and I was a complete disaster as no one that worked for me had any respect for me at all and I had no idea how to earn their respect. I ultimately quit that job because I was miserable. My very next management position that I received I immediately had more respect. I had learned from my mistakes and I was coming in as an existing manager already. Just having prior management experience made everyone respect and appreciate me that much more.

Why do I say all of this? I have noticed that so far at Georgia Tech the players and the Fanbase respect and appreciate Josh Pastner a whole lot more than we did. They are viewing him as an experienced coach with success already. They are not judging him through the lense underperforming recruiting classes and constant behind the scenes controversy. Because they have no idea about any of that. Josh Pastner is also performing under less pressure now. He's earned his life fortune. And the Georgia Tech coaching position is nowhere near as comparably close to the Memphis job and the visibility that comes with it.

Interesting observation, as I had a very similar experience myself. I joked often on here just to yank people's chains about Pastner being green but I always thought, and still think, that JP will have success at another place for the very reason you mention. Good stuff, sir.

(01-30-2017 09:24 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 08:15 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I will close with this observation that I have made also. I got my first lead management position in business when I was only 24 years old. I was a hard worker, I had empathy for people, and I knew my job very well. However I lacked leadership ability and I was a complete disaster as no one that worked for me had any respect for me at all and I had no idea how to earn their respect. I ultimately quit that job because I was miserable. My very next management position that I received I immediately had more respect. I had learned from my mistakes and I was coming in as an existing manager already. Just having prior management experience made everyone respect and appreciate me that much more.

Why do I say all of this? I have noticed that so far at Georgia Tech the players and the Fanbase respect and appreciate Josh Pastner a whole lot more than we did. They are viewing him as an experienced coach with success already. They are not judging him through the lense underperforming recruiting classes and constant behind the scenes controversy. Because they have no idea about any of that. Josh Pastner is also performing under less pressure now. He's earned his life fortune. And the Georgia Tech coaching position is nowhere near as comparably close to the Memphis job and the visibility that comes with it.

Interesting observation, as I had a very similar experience myself. I joked often on here just to yank people's chains about Pastner being green but I always thought, and still think, that JP will have success at another place for the very reason you mention. Good stuff, sir.

Yes sir. Being open to learning from mistakes & developing yourself and the perception people have of you are 90% of the battle. I was a collosal failure in that first gig and would have never rebounded due to everyone's perception of me. Now, 15 years later I'm the lead engineer of a 20 man team for a fortune 50 company. If I can have success, even Opie can.

Speaking of Pastner... does anyone know how we can get ESPN to quit showing him in our feed? I for one would like to move on.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb.../_/id/235/

(01-30-2017 08:19 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I've got a feeling Leonard Hamilton would have killed it here.

Leonard wasn't coming here, but Stan Jones would have walked from Tallahassee for the job.

Yep, prolly.

(01-29-2017 08:15 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am also noticing that the referees in the ACC seem to respect him a little bit more as well. The referees in the American & conference USA had no respect for Josh Pastner. They always saw him as the wet behind the ears new young coach and he was never going to get away from that tag in this conference. Now, however, the ACC Refs see him as an experienced seasoned coach so I have noticed that the referees tend to take him a little more serious in the ACC. Do not underestimate the importance of this. Referees can swing a game 10 to 20 points in either direction very easy with their whistles. We all know this.

Not trying to be argumentative, and I'm not even saying you are dead wrong. But how do you prove these observations to be true?

A decent coach does not make the same mistakes over and over again. In his final years here it appeared to me Opie wasn’t even trying and caused as much turmoil as he could. Up to now the ACC boy have ignored him but look for this to change. OTOH.

NTR and screw Josh Pastner.

(01-30-2017 11:36 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  A decent coach does not make the same mistakes over and over again. In his final years here it appeared to me Opie wasn’t even trying and caused as much turmoil as he could. Up to now the ACC boy have ignored him but look for this to change. OTOH.

NTR and screw Josh Pastner.

I love posts like these. Thank you Beale St. made my morning.

I agree!

Anyone remember Pastner's first year here? He didn't do that bad. Give him time, Tech will turn on him too

(01-31-2017 09:56 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Anyone remember Pastner's first year here? He didn't do that bad. Give him time, Tech will turn on him too

Getting continually curbstomped in the biggest games and underdeveloping top ranked talent can do that to a fanbase.

(01-31-2017 10:13 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 09:56 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Anyone remember Pastner's first year here? He didn't do that bad. Give him time, Tech will turn on him too

Getting continually curbstomped in the biggest games and underdeveloping top ranked talent can do that to a fanbase.

Yep. There are some huge parallels to his first season here and now at GA Tech. I'm not judging too much off of these top 25 wins. He will just simply have more opportunity in the ACC and also, FSU & ND are both struggling right now. In addition, Pastner seems to do well with rosters that he inherits, but eventually struggles as he has his own roster. So maybe it's two issues, running away good assistants and not knowing how to form a good mix of players. For example, a team of nothing but guards...

DeCourcey was on with Jason Smith (?) a couple days ago and said the hiring of Eric Reveno was the best hire for Josh. Reveno was a former H.C. who is well regarded in the coaching community and is the type of assistant people had been begging Josh to hire for years.

DeCourcey speculated the GT AD pretty much told Pastner he had to hire Reveno, or someone like him.

(02-01-2017 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  DeCourcey was on with Jason Smith (?) a couple days ago and said the hiring of Eric Reveno was the best hire for Josh. Reveno was a former H.C. who is well regarded in the coaching community and is the type of assistant people had been begging Josh to hire for years.

DeCourcey speculated the GT AD pretty much told Pastner he had to hire Reveno, or someone like him.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-803968-post-139...id13955995

(02-01-2017 12:01 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 10:27 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  DeCourcey was on with Jason Smith (?) a couple days ago and said the hiring of Eric Reveno was the best hire for Josh. Reveno was a former H.C. who is well regarded in the coaching community and is the type of assistant people had been begging Josh to hire for years.

DeCourcey speculated the GT AD pretty much told Pastner he had to hire Reveno, or someone like him.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-803968-post-139...id13955995

Mike doesn't know for sure: His exact words: Also was encouraged (forced?) to fix his staff.

No one gives a flying F#ck.

This is Signing Day. Go troll the Yellow Jackets board today.

(02-01-2017 12:01 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 10:27 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  DeCourcey was on with Jason Smith (?) a couple days ago and said the hiring of Eric Reveno was the best hire for Josh. Reveno was a former H.C. who is well regarded in the coaching community and is the type of assistant people had been begging Josh to hire for years.

DeCourcey speculated the GT AD pretty much told Pastner he had to hire Reveno, or someone like him.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-803968-post-139...id13955995

Mike doesn't know for sure: His exact words: Also was encouraged (forced?) to fix his staff.

Anyone...

Am I missing something here?

(02-01-2017 12:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:01 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 10:27 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  DeCourcey was on with Jason Smith (?) a couple days ago and said the hiring of Eric Reveno was the best hire for Josh. Reveno was a former H.C. who is well regarded in the coaching community and is the type of assistant people had been begging Josh to hire for years.

DeCourcey speculated the GT AD pretty much told Pastner he had to hire Reveno, or someone like him.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-803968-post-139...id13955995

Mike doesn't know for sure: His exact words: Also was encouraged (forced?) to fix his staff.

Anyone...

Am I missing something here?

He is 99% smarter than everyone here, so he says.