(01-19-2017 04:11 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 04:01 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 03:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  The reality of FCS -

The lowest base paid in FBS is Doug Martin at New Mexico State - $376,044.

Using my JMU mathematics that tells me he still makes less than every FBS coach in America.

I think it was a solid proactive move by JMU, but again he would make a higher base working for any FBS team in the country.

Not discounting any of your information. Reading the article, it is apparent HCMH puts a dollar figure on stability for his family. The Valley is a good place to live and raise kids. Perhaps he puts a dollar figure on winning, happiness, and competing for championships as well.

All jobs in this world are temporary when you think about it. HCMH will eventually leave JMU. Sounds like he is in no hurry though which is good. When he does leave - hopefully with several national titles on his CV - I'm hopeful he optimizes his chances of success at the next level. And, who knows? Maybe he will help lead JMU into an upcoming middle tier of NCAA FB, which currently includes the G5, and a conference that best suits the entire athletic program and the university as a whole.

In my mind if I'm one of the bottom 1/3 FBS teams I'm picking up the phone.

At no point was I concerned about losing the prior coach. This one for the last two months I knew was something special. There is not an amount we can offer if FBS is really interested. I think we all believe in his sincerity, but if someone offers double......

There are certain coaches you can tell are special - this is one...

If I'm MH, I don't have to take a bottom 1/3 FBS job. With my incentives I'm making close to what they would pay me and those living on the "B" Deck have little opportunity to ever see the sun. They have limitations that simply will not allow a coach to excel over sustained period. They may have the capability of climbing out of the gutter occasionally, but too difficult to make winning the standard rather than the exception.

I want to believe that offered $600k he wouldn't accept an opportunity in San Marcos, NM, Monroe, AL, or Ypsilanti, MI. He should know that he is good enough to go to a university with a tradition of winning where the most likely situation will have their previous coach retire or move further up the coaching ladder.

In addition, I would realize my best opportunity for success needs to be in the region in which I have cut my teeth, NC, VA, SC, and the states in which they border. Therefore, I'm not going to sweat the possibilities of MH leaving unless there is more than cash for him to consider.

(01-19-2017 06:42 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 04:11 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 04:01 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 03:54 PM)Dukester Wrote:  The reality of FCS -

The lowest base paid in FBS is Doug Martin at New Mexico State - $376,044.

Using my JMU mathematics that tells me he still makes less than every FBS coach in America.

I think it was a solid proactive move by JMU, but again he would make a higher base working for any FBS team in the country.

Not discounting any of your information. Reading the article, it is apparent HCMH puts a dollar figure on stability for his family. The Valley is a good place to live and raise kids. Perhaps he puts a dollar figure on winning, happiness, and competing for championships as well.

All jobs in this world are temporary when you think about it. HCMH will eventually leave JMU. Sounds like he is in no hurry though which is good. When he does leave - hopefully with several national titles on his CV - I'm hopeful he optimizes his chances of success at the next level. And, who knows? Maybe he will help lead JMU into an upcoming middle tier of NCAA FB, which currently includes the G5, and a conference that best suits the entire athletic program and the university as a whole.

In my mind if I'm one of the bottom 1/3 FBS teams I'm picking up the phone.

At no point was I concerned about losing the prior coach. This one for the last two months I knew was something special. There is not an amount we can offer if FBS is really interested. I think we all believe in his sincerity, but if someone offers double......

There are certain coaches you can tell are special - this is one...

If I'm MH, I don't have to take a bottom 1/3 FBS job. With my incentives I'm making close to what they would pay me and those living on the "B" Deck have little opportunity to ever see the sun. They have limitations that simply will not allow a coach to excel over sustained period. They may have the capability of climbing out of the gutter occasionally, but too difficult to make winning the standard rather than the exception.

I want to believe that offered $600k he wouldn't accept an opportunity in San Marcos, NM, Monroe, AL, or Ypsilanti, MI. He should know that he is good enough to go to a university with a tradition of winning where the most likely situation will have their previous coach retire or move further up the coaching ladder.

In addition, I would realize my best opportunity for success needs to be in the region in which I have cut my teeth, NC, VA, SC, and the states in which they border. Therefore, I'm not going to sweat the possibilities of MH leaving unless there is more than cash for him to consider.

Yeah, I think if we lose Houston eventually it will be to UNC (if Fedora Leaves) or NC State (when they eventually fire Doeren). I doubt we lose him to the first team that calls.

I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

(01-19-2017 08:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

NC state took the furman coach back in the day (I don't know the year) and UVA took London from UR.

(01-19-2017 08:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

It is highly unlikely you (and I) will be shocked because every year there are far too many hotter names at G5 programs drooling to get picked by a P5 program.

(01-19-2017 09:11 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

It is highly unlikely you (and I) will be shocked because every year there are far too many hotter names at G5 programs drooling to get picked by a P5 program.

yup. I'd be much more concerned about ECU.

(01-19-2017 09:12 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:11 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

It is highly unlikely you (and I) will be shocked because every year there are far too many hotter names at G5 programs drooling to get picked by a P5 program.

yup. I'd be much more concerned about ECU.

More than NC State or UNCheat, I agree. I really don't see HCMH going anywhere for at least another 3 years. It is obvious he is conscious of his "bouncing around". Some is expected and comes with the territory with rising HC's in college athletics - especially money sports - but I don't think HCMH wants the label of changing jobs every couple of years. Not just for his family, but professionally he needs to show he can recruit and sustain with his own guys to get the attention of P5 programs and the multi-million dollar salaries that come with it. At a UNCheat or NC State, you're talking about 3+ million a year. They'll want someone who has shown he can do things with a program over more than a couple of years for that kind of coin.

(01-19-2017 09:17 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:12 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:11 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

It is highly unlikely you (and I) will be shocked because every year there are far too many hotter names at G5 programs drooling to get picked by a P5 program.

yup. I'd be much more concerned about ECU.

More than NC State or UNCheat, I agree. I really don't see HCMH going anywhere for at least another 3 years. It is obvious he is conscious of his "bouncing around". Some is expected and comes with the territory with rising HC's in college athletics - especially money sports - but I don't think HCMH wants the label of changing jobs every couple of years. Not just for his family, but professionally he needs to show he can recruit and sustain with his own guys to get the attention of P5 programs and the multi-million dollar salaries that come with it. At a UNCheat or NC State, you're talking about 3+ million a year. They'll want someone who has shown he can do things with a program over more than a couple of years for that kind of coin.

MM, then EW, then HCMH..

Congrats to JMU and Coach Houston. Hope they can keep the whole staff together for years to come.

I see Monroe listed above....

Im there for work right now... absolutely no way anyone would leave burg and jmu for this town

(01-19-2017 05:24 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 05:14 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 03:58 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 03:56 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It says in the dnr article that Bourne is working on agreements with all of this year's assistants. Is that almost unheard of to not lose a single assistant from one year to the next?

For this existing staff - for sure I would say that's the case.

Hoping for the best, but it would be near miraculous to keep the staff together. Several of these guys have made significantly more $ at previous stops. You would have to assume they'd be looking to head back to FBS asap. Also, while the head coaching jobs have been filled, I would assume there is still plenty of shuffling to be done among assistant coaches.

eh...kinda disagree on guys like Stinespring, Trott, Hanson, and Kirkpatrick. They've been to the next level, and the grass isn't always greener. If a P5 comes calling with a coordinator job, then sure. But stability means a lot, especially for a guy like Stiney.

I always assumed Stinespring was just trying to get to 30 years of service credits with VA state schools to get that early retirement benefit(age 50) and thats why he took less money to come to JMU vs jumping to a FBS school in another state. He started working in VA state schools in '86 I believe.

(01-19-2017 08:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

I'd be shocked if an ACC school went to FCS for a coach.

NC state took Doeran from Northern Illinois and we can probably beat NI eight times out of ten. Mike Houston's track record and NC recruiting is what I would think makes him attractive to NC state. Plus he is working with a FBS staff who probably love JMU, but would tell him it's hard to pass up an legit FBS option. Going to a good FBS school would make him a millionaire, I excepted him to get offers this off season. I would be fearful of any school within a four to five hour radius of JMU to snatch HCMH up. And I for one hope that NC state can win 9-10 games this year.

(01-19-2017 06:11 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  I think Coach will be patient. About 1/2 a million a year in Harrisonburg is a pretty good life when you are going to be winning games every year. Is Shaka Smart having a great time in Austin, TX right now? Sometimes it is not about the buck. Someday he may get the offer he cannot refuse, but money will not be the only factor. See the post about Rip Scherer a couple of weeks ago Great job by the administration being aggressive.

Shaka Smart is stealing $2.7 million a year down in Austin... He probably doesn't give a **** about the wins and losses at this point. After next season when Coach Houston wins 11 games and the football Dukes advance to another title game, CMH will look the $475,000 gift horse in the mouth and move up to an AAC job paying at least a mil per year.

Great job by Pres. Alger, Charlie King and Jeff Bourne in locking up Coach. I feel confident that the assistants will be taking care of as well. This is a first class group of coaches and they all out performed the expectations of many but not their own. The coaching staff knew they had the plan to transform this team and this team executed on that plan. No small feat getting these athletes to buy in and execute but we have a great group of young men on this team.

We now need to get friends to join the Duke Club so we can double our membership. We need the students to come to all games and stay for all 4 quarters. We need our friends to buy tickets and pack the stadium for all home games and we need to continue to invade the opposing team's stadiums wherever we go, including Rhode Island. We should hang 80 on them at their place.

Step up folks. An undefeated 2017 season is very possible and a back to back title is a reality.

(01-19-2017 08:32 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I see NC State firing Doeren next year. If we are in the middle of a playoff run next season I could see the Wolfpack calling Houston.

Yes. This is my major concern. I think NC Sate is a true threat.

I think Duke is a bigger threat than NC State. Cutcliffe is on the verge of retirement, and the institution seeks coaching intangibles equally with winning. NC State has at least gone to three straight bowl games, winning two. If they are looking beyond 8-5 or 7-6 seasons, they will pay up for someone who appears to be more of a slam dunk than Houston (i.e. someone with FBS or NFL experience)

ECU is a threat, but I dont think they will can their current coach inside of three years.

(01-20-2017 12:43 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I think Duke is a bigger threat than NC State. Cutcliffe is on the verge of retirement, and the institution seeks coaching intangibles equally with winning. NC State has at least gone to three straight bowl games, winning two. If they are looking beyond 8-5 or 7-6 seasons, they will pay up for someone who appears to be more of a slam dunk than Houston (i.e. someone with FBS or NFL experience)

ECU is a threat, but I dont think they will can their current coach inside of three years.

If Houston stays, and we have another great year - someone will make him an offer he can't refuse.

Who it is is to be determined.

Can't see Houston leaving for anything other than a HC gig. And I am doubtful that a P5 will pull from the FCS ranks. It's a perception thing, however unwarranted it may be. I could see ECU or Navy showing interest at some point. And they could pay money that would be very difficult to turn down. Glad we'll have him a bit longer. Perfect fit.

(01-20-2017 02:22 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Can't see Houston leaving for anything other than a HC gig. And I am doubtful that a P5 will pull from the FCS ranks. It's a perception thing, however unwarranted it may be. I could see ECU or Navy showing interest at some point. And they could pay money that would be very difficult to turn down. Glad we'll have him a bit longer. Perfect fit.

I don't know about ECU but I am sure Navy is happy with their current coach.