(12-09-2016 02:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I will say that Troy has slipped off some since beating App State. No one can pinpoint why. They haven't played nearly the same way they did against Clemson or App State. We're hoping to see the same team we saw during the first 3/4 of the season when we play Ohio. I'll be the first to say that Troy's QB/receivers should've had a field day against ASU's DB's.

And to answer your question in bold, ASU's coach is crap. He made the statement "Our season begins now" after the FCS loss... which is total bs because the season started long before conference play began, which is why ASU has gotten a lot of crap on the SBC board. You can't to go 0-4 in OOC, and then decide to play football afterward.

Either way, we won't get to see our top offenses/defenses matched up this year. Good luck in your bowl games.

Nobody really believes any of that. All of us are learning our teams at the beginning of the year. But nobody just trashes the OOC games and then decides hey guys...now let's get serious.

I don't blame you for trying that approach in this discussion. It's easier/much better than saying the league isn't really that good since it took the Cajuns to finally shut their smug asses up.

I really love Appy State as an FBS team. If there was ever a team that should've moved up it's them. I say that ahead of my team historically.

I respect Troy. I've told you the stories about my first experience at the Houch when Troy came in. I'm happy they're back up.

But La Tech (and this is not dogging them) was basically #3-4 in CUSA last year and beat the living dogsht outta the undefeated SBC champs. And Arky State looked worse to me this year than last year. Last year they were phenomenal in turnover margin and Knighten made their O score. This year....meh. I watched as much of the Arky State vs Troy game as I could stomach. I was clapping like a seal thinking of what our receivers would do against them.

I know I'm not gonna change your mind. Nobody changes anybody's mind on a message board. But I've been in both conferences as a fan. Arky State was never a problem for us. Wouldn't be now.

(12-09-2016 01:10 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 01:04 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 12:34 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:15 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 12:21 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  These stats are easy to come by when CUSA has 9 teams that are ranked #90 in scoring defense or worse.

It's a little bit harder for the Sun Belt's top offensive athletes to stand out when they are going up against Top 25 scoring defenses in Appalachian State, Troy, and Arkansas State.

Bet ya 50 bucks that WKUs offense would make any Belt teams defense look bottom 25 I guess we only have one match up in bowls to see how things match up

I'd take that bet. I'd really like to see how WKU's pass attack would do against Apps #6 pass defense or Georgia State's #9 pass defense. Troy went up against both and I have to say they have great athletes on that side of the ball that can cover.

WKU managed 30 points per game in OOC play, and Alabama was really the only team with a good defense. Vanderbilt and Miami(OH) were just okay defensively. Then WKU gets into conference play and averages 52 points per game against CUSA teams... so what the heck happened?

Look, I watched the CUSA Championship... most will agree in saying that was some fundamentally terrible defense by both teams. Missed assignments and soft coverage all over the place. You won't find bad fundamental defense at the top of the SBC like that.

WKU had a new QB and lots of new faces on this years team, it just took a while to get going. Outside of La Tech , WKU shut down everyone else until trash mins was played. I don't think everybody realizes how good La Tech offense actually is. I expect them to put some point up against Navy. Also look at WKU's run defense numbers.

MT's 605 yards of offense and 32 first downs begs to differ.

The MT/Vandy and La Tech games was all during the stretch when WKU was down 4-6 play makers. look what happen to other teams like USM or MT when a play makers is lost. I understand it was both teams QB's, but it's telling how important each skill player is and WKU was badly injuried during those games......damn it Bama! When WKU got healthy things changed

(12-09-2016 04:04 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 02:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I will say that Troy has slipped off some since beating App State. No one can pinpoint why. They haven't played nearly the same way they did against Clemson or App State. We're hoping to see the same team we saw during the first 3/4 of the season when we play Ohio. I'll be the first to say that Troy's QB/receivers should've had a field day against ASU's DB's.

And to answer your question in bold, ASU's coach is crap. He made the statement "Our season begins now" after the FCS loss... which is total bs because the season started long before conference play began, which is why ASU has gotten a lot of crap on the SBC board. You can't to go 0-4 in OOC, and then decide to play football afterward.

Either way, we won't get to see our top offenses/defenses matched up this year. Good luck in your bowl games.

Nobody really believes any of that. All of us are learning our teams at the beginning of the year. But nobody just trashes the OOC games and then decides hey guys...now let's get serious.

I don't blame you for trying that approach in this discussion. It's easier/much better than saying the league isn't really that good since it took the Cajuns to finally shut their smug asses up.

I really love Appy State as an FBS team. If there was ever a team that should've moved up it's them. I say that ahead of my team historically.

I respect Troy. I've told you the stories about my first experience at the Houch when Troy came in. I'm happy they're back up.

But La Tech (and this is not dogging them) was basically #3-4 in CUSA last year and beat the living dogsht outta the undefeated SBC champs. And Arky State looked worse to me this year than last year. Last year they were phenomenal in turnover margin and Knighten made their O score. This year....meh. I watched as much of the Arky State vs Troy game as I could stomach. I was clapping like a seal thinking of what our receivers would do against them.

I know I'm not gonna change your mind. Nobody changes anybody's mind on a message board. But I've been in both conferences as a fan. Arky State was never a problem for us. Wouldn't be now.

Georgia Southern was 4th in the Sun Belt and beat the MAC champs by 28 in a bowl game last year. Matchups are huge at our level.

The Sunbelt's offenses are many and varied. **** anyone who was ever in that so-called conference.

Match ups matter

(12-09-2016 07:45 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The Sunbelt's offenses are many and varied. **** anyone who was ever in that so-called conference.

Interesting stat. WKU first half points 336 Arkansas State total points 324.

(12-09-2016 10:59 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 07:45 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The Sunbelt's offenses are many and varied. **** anyone who was ever in that so-called conference.

I almost said "except for MT." You were in the Sun Belt, right?

(12-10-2016 05:27 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 10:59 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 07:45 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The Sunbelt's offenses are many and varied. **** anyone who was ever in that so-called conference.

I almost said "except for MT." You were in the Sun Belt, right?

As was Western.

(12-09-2016 12:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 12:34 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 10:15 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 12:21 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 11:36 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Plenty. From those three teams...
3rd, 6th and 22nd rated passers (and the last one missed four games). Also had the 14th and 23rd rated passers as well. C-USA had six QB's rated in the top 50. Sun Belt only had one (and that was at right at #50).

C-USA had four of the top 19 rushers in the nation and four total in the top 40. Sun Belt had two with just one in the top 20.

C-USA had the #2, #3, #6, #8, and #10 receivers in the nation based on receiving yards. If you are counting that's five of the nation's top 10 receivers. The Sun Belt didn't have a single receiver go over 1000 yards and only one in the top 50. C-USA had eight.

C-USA had nine players in the top 50 in all purpose yards including #4, #6 and #10. The Sun Belt had zero.

C-USA had four of the top 20 scorers in the nation. Zero for Sun Belt.

Any further questions?

These stats are easy to come by when CUSA has 9 teams that are ranked #90 in scoring defense or worse.

It's a little bit harder for the Sun Belt's top offensive athletes to stand out when they are going up against Top 25 scoring defenses in Appalachian State, Troy, and Arkansas State.

Bet ya 50 bucks that WKUs offense would make any Belt teams defense look bottom 25 I guess we only have one match up in bowls to see how things match up

I'd take that bet. I'd really like to see how WKU's pass attack would do against Apps #6 pass defense or Georgia State's #9 pass defense. Troy went up against both and I have to say they have great athletes on that side of the ball that can cover.

WKU managed 30 points per game in OOC play, and Alabama was really the only team with a good defense. Vanderbilt and Miami(OH) were just okay defensively. Then WKU gets into conference play and averages 52 points per game against CUSA teams... so what the heck happened?

Look, I watched the CUSA Championship... most will agree in saying that was some fundamentally terrible defense by both teams. Missed assignments and soft coverage all over the place. You won't find bad fundamental defense at the top of the SBC like that.

Lol, Just 700 yards in a bowl game against the undisputed top SBC team

It's hard to say that a team is undisputed, when there is no championship game that year.

Alright... There's really no good indicator of SBCvsCUSA this year in the post season. However. Toledo vs AppSt is pretty damn close. Toledo is known for their offense and AppSt their defense (what this whole argument is about, right?). If Toledo skull ***** App then I'll be the first to come on here and eat the hell out of humble pie. If App's D stifles Toledo then I want to see who'll balls up and match me.