compare Washington to just Ohio St. Ohio St could have 3 top 10 wins. Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Michigan. And Nebraska as a top 25 win. So comparing that to Colorado and Utah- just isn't close at all.

And if it's Penn St vs Washington- Penn St would have wins over Ohio St and Wisconsin, 2 top 10 games.

I don't see a road for PSU. 49-10 loss to UM? They do have a nice OOC win versus Temple but not a lot to work with elsewhere. You can't have two losses including a massacre and get in. We will see how they fare against Wisconsin, who is the best two loss team in the country thus far. If they blow out Wisconsin they have a case.

Huskies schedule is awful. They do not deserve a berth in the playoffs even if they win out. Clemson has a decent win against Auburn. Plus the win against UL should be enough. If it falls like so, go with:

1. Bama 13-0
2. Clemson 12-1
3. OSU 11-1
4. Wisconsin 11-2
5. UL 11-1

I personally would take UL at 11-1 over an 11-2 PSU. If UL and PSU lose, 12-1 Huskies would be the team on the outside looking in.

Quote:1. Bama 13-0
2. Clemson 12-1
3. OSU 11-1
4. Wisconsin 11-2

That's not possible, since Wisconsin is going to face OSU/UM. If OSU makes it, they'd have 2L if Wisconsin still stays at 2L -- and either way, OSU would play 13 games not 12. If OSU played 12 games, that means they would have lost to UM the weekend after next, which would mean 2L for them.

I could easily see Wisconsin going if they beat OSU/UM -- but if Wisconsin wins, both OSU & UM would have 2L -- so no, no runner up in the B1G would have a chance for the Final Four.

Certainly if Washington has 1L and gets revenge against USC and wins it -- they would deserve to go over 2L OSU/UM who lost in B1G Championship. Winning your championship means something extra in the rankings, according to the CFP pollsters. So combine 1 less loss with that, and I think it's darn safe to say they'd be above a 2L non-B1G winner.

I do think Washington controls their own destiny. The B12 winner will likely have 2L, and without a conference championship game (extra) -- they too wouldn't be good at competing against a 1L Washington.

(11-15-2016 04:35 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:1. Bama 13-0
2. Clemson 12-1
3. OSU 11-1
4. Wisconsin 11-2

That's not possible, since Wisconsin is going to face OSU/UM. If OSU makes it, they'd have 2L if Wisconsin still stays at 2L -- and either way, OSU would play 13 games not 12. If OSU played 12 games, that means they would have lost to UM the weekend after next, which would mean 2L for them.

I could easily see Wisconsin going if they beat OSU/UM -- but if Wisconsin wins, both OSU & UM would have 2L -- so no, no runner up in the B1G would have a chance for the Final Four.

Certainly if Washington has 1L and gets revenge against USC and wins it -- they would deserve to go over 2L OSU/UM who lost in B1G Championship. Winning your championship means something extra in the rankings, according to the CFP pollsters. So combine 1 less loss with that, and I think it's darn safe to say they'd be above a 2L non-B1G winner.

I do think Washington controls their own destiny. The B12 winner will likely have 2L, and without a conference championship game (extra) -- they too wouldn't be good at competing against a 1L Washington.

don't you read the thread? Wisconsin can be 11-2 with Ohio St at 11-1. If Penn St wins out they are division champs. Then they lose to Wisconsin in title game.

I'll be team chaos

Alabama 12-1 non SEC champ, TN to Sugar
Louisville 11-1 non ACC champ, Virginia Tech to Orange
Ohio State 11-1 non Big 10 champ, Minnesota (yes they could still win) to Rose
Utah 11-2 PAC 12 champ (11-2 Washington to Rose)

OK wins Big 12 goes to Sugar
One of Michigan/Penn State goes to Orange
Western Michigan to Cotton vs Clemson or Michigan/Penn St

This should be exciting tonight.

(11-15-2016 04:35 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:1. Bama 13-0
2. Clemson 12-1
3. OSU 11-1
4. Wisconsin 11-2

That's not possible, since Wisconsin is going to face OSU/UM. If OSU makes it, they'd have 2L if Wisconsin still stays at 2L -- and either way, OSU would play 13 games not 12. If OSU played 12 games, that means they would have lost to UM the weekend after next, which would mean 2L for them.

I could easily see Wisconsin going if they beat OSU/UM -- but if Wisconsin wins, both OSU & UM would have 2L -- so no, no runner up in the B1G would have a chance for the Final Four.

Certainly if Washington has 1L and gets revenge against USC and wins it -- they would deserve to go over 2L OSU/UM who lost in B1G Championship. Winning your championship means something extra in the rankings, according to the CFP pollsters. So combine 1 less loss with that, and I think it's darn safe to say they'd be above a 2L non-B1G winner.

I do think Washington controls their own destiny. The B12 winner will likely have 2L, and without a conference championship game (extra) -- they too wouldn't be good at competing against a 1L Washington.

So who do you have Penn State losing to, Rutgers or Michigan State? That's the only way Ohio State makes the B1G Championship

I think the Big 10 can only get one team in. If Ohio State beats Michigan the Big 10 champ won't jump Washington with two losses. If Michigan beats Ohio State then none of the 2 loss Big 10 teams get in.

Washington is guaranteed to get in if they win out. #2 and #3 play each other and Washington plays #10 and #22.

Alabama is guaranteed to get in if they win out.

Clemson is guaranteed to get in if they win out.

Did you look at the Huskies OOC? There is nothing there. NOTHING. They had a bad loss at home to a team that was blown out by Bama. They don't get in over Wisconsin who beat LSU and would have a win over PSU or a win over OSU/UM in a rematch. That gets them in easily.

OSU/UM loser is obviously out. But if UM beats OSU then loses to Wisconsin, you only get Wisconsin out of there. Otherwise they will take both Wisconsin and OSU.

Back to PSU, you're comparing them to UL and Washington for that 4 slot. It's a coin flip, but I would go UL in that scenario. There is nothing that states conference championships are the end all be all. UL will have a quality OOC win and outlast a tough ACC schedule, with a tough loss on the road to a playoff team. I cannot tolerate letting a 49-10 loser like PSU get into the playoff. THey have a slot for the Rose Bowl.

In the case of Wisconsin beating PSU, the B1G would have two teams in the playoff and Michigan in the Rose as a left over I'd assume.

Edit: I just looked up the rankings and they are seeing the same thing. UL is ahead of both PSU and Washington. I don't see how that doesn't hold up and long as they have clean wins against Houston and Kentucky. I don't see how PSU can vault as they won't get another game against OSU/UM. Wisconsin however can vault both UL and Washington with that extra opportunity.

(11-15-2016 11:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Did you look at the Huskies OOC? There is nothing there. NOTHING. They had a bad loss at home to a team that was blown out by Bama. They don't get in over Wisconsin who beat LSU and would have a win over PSU or a win over OSU/UM in a rematch. That gets them in easily.

OSU/UM loser is obviously out. But if UM beats OSU then loses to Wisconsin, you only get Wisconsin out of there. Otherwise they will take both Wisconsin and OSU.

Back to PSU, you're comparing them to UL and Washington for that 4 slot. It's a coin flip, but I would go UL in that scenario. There is nothing that states conference championships are the end all be all. UL will have a quality OOC win and outlast a tough ACC schedule, with a tough loss on the road to a playoff team. I cannot tolerate letting a 49-10 loser like PSU get into the playoff. THey have a slot for the Rose Bowl.

In the case of Wisconsin beating PSU, the B1G would have two teams in the playoff and Michigan in the Rose as a left over I'd assume.

Edit: I just looked up the rankings and they are seeing the same thing. UL is ahead of both PSU and Washington. I don't see how that doesn't hold up and long as they have clean wins against Houston and Kentucky. I don't see how PSU can vault as they won't get another game against OSU/UM. Wisconsin however can vault both UL and Washington with that extra opportunity.

Argue with the committee lol. They have them ranked 6th. Ohio State and Michigan play each other so they are guaranteed 5th before the championship games.

And they most likely will be playing a top 10 Colorado team in the Pac-12 Championship unless something crazy happens. There is no way a 2 loss Big 10 team is going to get in over a 1 loss Washington team that's already ranked 6th and has tough ranked teams left on their schedule.

I don't know that I would say that they'll be playing Colorado for sure. Colorado has to beat both Washington St and Utah for that to happen. They lose, and USC is waiting for them.

Also, if Washington St loses to Colorado, they're gone from the ratings. So they could wind up with only Stanford(currently #24), Utah(currently #12), and whoever from the south as ranked wins. Wisconsin on the other hand has wins over LSU(#16), Nebraska(#18), and would have Penn St(#8).

Washington needs to absolutely dominate Arizona St and Washington St.

1.) 13-0 Alabama
2.) 12-1 Ohio State
3.) 12-1 Clemson
4.) 11-1 Louisville

I'm calling it Washington State vs. Colorado in the Pac-12 Championship, Colorado will win it and then Louisville will sneak into the Playoff. CFP National Championship Alabama defeats Ohio State.

Still a lot of football. All these teams probably end up losing somewhere anyhow.

I really do not believe there will be two teams from one conference in the final four. Just my opinion; I say:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Big-10 Champion - who the heck knows who that is going to be at this point - I will say Wisconsin as a guess
4) Pac-10 or Big 12 champ; pending on who wins the league - if say USC & OU both win, OU; if not OU then whoever the Pac-12 champion is - my guess at the moment is Washington

Gotta win your league; that is passive marching orders for the committee and there is a cross section of representation on it.

of course a Big 12 fan is going to say that. No way in hell if Oklahoma wins the Big 12 that they get in over Ohio St. There's 4 criteria and head to head is one of them- JUST as much as conference champion is. And you say there's a cross section of representation on the committee. I think that makes it MORE likely not less likely- as they would want to set the precedent that it can and will happen.

To answer the OP question, it depends on everyone else, but I do think it would be hard to put a 2 loss non champ Alabama in on a 2 game losing streak. Not going to happen, though.

(11-16-2016 09:03 AM)stever20 Wrote:  of course a Big 12 fan is going to say that. No way in hell if Oklahoma wins the Big 12 that they get in over Ohio St. There's 4 criteria and head to head is one of them- JUST as much as conference champion is. And you say there's a cross section of representation on the committee. I think that makes it MORE likely not less likely- as they would want to set the precedent that it can and will happen.

I cannot really stand the Big 12 pal; just have to deal with WVU being in it.

(11-16-2016 02:01 AM)Realignment Wrote:  1.) 13-0 Alabama
2.) 12-1 Ohio State
3.) 12-1 Clemson
4.) 11-1 Louisville

I'm calling it Washington State vs. Colorado in the Pac-12 Championship, Colorado will win it and then Louisville will sneak into the Playoff. CFP National Championship Alabama defeats Ohio State.

This is close to my pick...I agree with all this as well, but maybe Washington State upsets Colorado

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Louisville

Here's the problem. Ohio St needs Penn St to lose to Michigan St/Rutgers. That's not happening. So then the Big Ten title game will be Wisconsin/Penn St. The winner of that game I think it's going to be very tough for Louisville to top resume wise. Really especially if it's Wisconsin..... All Louisville will wind up with is Florida St as far as top 25 wins. Wisconsin has better OOC than that in LSU.

Here's an interesting thought....

Right now Washington fans are huge fans of another team. That's right- the Florida Gators.....

Gators next 2 weeks have LSU and Florida St....

Well what does that have to do with Washington?

LSU played Wisconsin of course. And Florida St right now is Louisville's only ranked win. Florida beating those teams may knock those teams down, if not out of the rankings. Could really help Washington if push came to shove. Such interesting bed fellows.