Pac 12 has not been strong at all this year. USC has been shaky. Oregon and Stanford aren't what they were. It's not a top conference, barely above the Big 12 this year.

(11-18-2016 09:29 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Pac 12 has not been strong at all this year. USC has been shaky. Oregon and Stanford aren't what they were. It's not a top conference, barely above the Big 12 this year.

What's that saying, "Scoreboard" well let's say "poll".

#6 Washington
#10 Colorado
#12 Utah
#13 USC
#22 Washington State
#24 Stanford

Bro....literally half of the conference is ranked right now. And three of them are in the top 15. Hate on but the polls don't agree with you.

FYI Stanford is 7-3 and will probably be 9-3 by the end of the season. Just about every team in FBS would consider a 9-10 win season a huge accomplishment.

(11-18-2016 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Pac 12 has 6 teams right now- but 2 of those are Washington St and Stanford at 22 and 24. If WSU loses last 2 games, they won't be ranked. If Stanford loses another game(say to Cal)- they won't be ranked.

If Texas A&M, Florida, WMU, Tenn, Boise State, LSU, lose another game they probably won't be ranked. I'm not sure why you pick single Stanford out in this argument.

Heck, if Louisville losses another game they might be ranked after that showing from Houston last night.

(11-18-2016 02:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Pac 12 has 6 teams right now- but 2 of those are Washington St and Stanford at 22 and 24. If WSU loses last 2 games, they won't be ranked. If Stanford loses another game(say to Cal)- they won't be ranked.

If Texas A&M, Florida, WMU, Tenn, Boise State, LSU, lose another game they probably won't be ranked. I'm not sure why you pick single Stanford out in this argument.

Heck, if Louisville losses another game they might be ranked after that showing from Houston last night.

not necessarily at all. You don't go from #5 to unranked in 2 weeks pretty much no matter what. Also, some of those teams if they lose would be against a ranked team with them in the teens. Not likely they would become unranked..

Stanford is #24. If they lose, there is NO question, they would be gone. And Washington St is a definite as well. They lose, gonzo.

The problem with the Pac 12 is the 1 loss chance(Washington) had by far the worst OOC schedule. If Colorado, Utah, or USC had 1 loss, they would be in a far better position- probably a lock right now if they won out.

(11-18-2016 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Pac 12 has 6 teams right now- but 2 of those are Washington St and Stanford at 22 and 24. If WSU loses last 2 games, they won't be ranked. If Stanford loses another game(say to Cal)- they won't be ranked.

And Tennessee is at 19 and Florida at 23. If either lose another game, they won't be ranked either...

(11-18-2016 09:29 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Pac 12 has not been strong at all this year. USC has been shaky. Oregon and Stanford aren't what they were. It's not a top conference, barely above the Big 12 this year.

Median Rankings would say otherwise...

SEC 40.04
P12 41.79
ACC 46.79
B10 48.29
B12 56.00
AAC 63.21
MWC 79.67
MAC 85.75
SBC 89.09
CUSA 96.73


And if you take the top 6, Pac 12 still looks good

B10 13.42
P12 14.33
SEC 16.17
ACC 19.83
B12 35.17
AAC 38.08
MWC 50.08
MAC 63.33
SBC 68.00
CUSA 71.92

the conference rankings are meaningless. The individual teams are what matters, not the whole conference. I mean last year Pac 12 was better than the Big 12, but because Oklahoma was better than Stanford they got in.

(11-18-2016 03:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the conference rankings are meaningless. The individual teams are what matters, not the whole conference. I mean last year Pac 12 was better than the Big 12, but because Oklahoma was better than Stanford they got in.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You say that Washington can't get in because of weak schedule, yet you want to ignore that in Conference (and remember, they play nine conference games) they play a very good schedule.

(11-18-2016 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 02:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Pac 12 has 6 teams right now- but 2 of those are Washington St and Stanford at 22 and 24. If WSU loses last 2 games, they won't be ranked. If Stanford loses another game(say to Cal)- they won't be ranked.

If Texas A&M, Florida, WMU, Tenn, Boise State, LSU, lose another game they probably won't be ranked. I'm not sure why you pick single Stanford out in this argument.

Heck, if Louisville losses another game they might be ranked after that showing from Houston last night.

not necessarily at all. You don't go from #5 to unranked in 2 weeks pretty much no matter what. Also, some of those teams if they lose would be against a ranked team with them in the teens. Not likely they would become unranked..

Stanford is #24. If they lose, there is NO question, they would be gone. And Washington St is a definite as well. They lose, gonzo.

The problem with the Pac 12 is the 1 loss chance(Washington) had by far the worst OOC schedule. If Colorado, Utah, or USC had 1 loss, they would be in a far better position- probably a lock right now if they won out.

Ha! Do you have a short memory of how the quickly the committee dropped Florida out the polls? They lost to Arkansas 31-10 and went from #11 to out of the polls.

I would not be shocked if UL drops to #18 or lower under where they put Houston.

(11-18-2016 03:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 03:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the conference rankings are meaningless. The individual teams are what matters, not the whole conference. I mean last year Pac 12 was better than the Big 12, but because Oklahoma was better than Stanford they got in.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You say that Washington can't get in because of weak schedule, yet you want to ignore that in Conference (and remember, they play nine conference games) they play a very good schedule.

but they avoid Colorado and UCLA this year. UCLA not good, but Colorado 2nd best team in the conference. The 9 conference teams they play are 46-44 right now. Hardly stellar there. Then add in Rutgers, Idaho, and FCS Portland St. That's not a good schedule.

(11-18-2016 03:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 02:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Pac 12 has 6 teams right now- but 2 of those are Washington St and Stanford at 22 and 24. If WSU loses last 2 games, they won't be ranked. If Stanford loses another game(say to Cal)- they won't be ranked.

If Texas A&M, Florida, WMU, Tenn, Boise State, LSU, lose another game they probably won't be ranked. I'm not sure why you pick single Stanford out in this argument.

Heck, if Louisville losses another game they might be ranked after that showing from Houston last night.

not necessarily at all. You don't go from #5 to unranked in 2 weeks pretty much no matter what. Also, some of those teams if they lose would be against a ranked team with them in the teens. Not likely they would become unranked..

Stanford is #24. If they lose, there is NO question, they would be gone. And Washington St is a definite as well. They lose, gonzo.

The problem with the Pac 12 is the 1 loss chance(Washington) had by far the worst OOC schedule. If Colorado, Utah, or USC had 1 loss, they would be in a far better position- probably a lock right now if they won out.

Ha! Do you have a short memory of how the quickly the committee dropped Florida out the polls? They lost to Arkansas 31-10 and went from #11 to out of the polls.

I would not be shocked if UL drops to #18 or lower under where they put Houston.

They're going to be at the extreme lowest around #10.

(11-18-2016 03:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 03:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the conference rankings are meaningless. The individual teams are what matters, not the whole conference. I mean last year Pac 12 was better than the Big 12, but because Oklahoma was better than Stanford they got in.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You say that Washington can't get in because of weak schedule, yet you want to ignore that in Conference (and remember, they play nine conference games) they play a very good schedule.

I don't even get what he means by "The individual teams are what matters, not the whole conference.".

It's like no one else in the Pac-12 is allowed to be good except for Stanford, Oregon, and USC.

What I mean is Washington's resume is what is being evaluated. Not the entire Pac 12 resume. I mean right now, Washington doesn't get helped one iota by Colorado being 8-2. They would if they got in the title game.

(11-18-2016 03:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 03:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 02:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Pac 12 has 6 teams right now- but 2 of those are Washington St and Stanford at 22 and 24. If WSU loses last 2 games, they won't be ranked. If Stanford loses another game(say to Cal)- they won't be ranked.

If Texas A&M, Florida, WMU, Tenn, Boise State, LSU, lose another game they probably won't be ranked. I'm not sure why you pick single Stanford out in this argument.

Heck, if Louisville losses another game they might be ranked after that showing from Houston last night.

not necessarily at all. You don't go from #5 to unranked in 2 weeks pretty much no matter what. Also, some of those teams if they lose would be against a ranked team with them in the teens. Not likely they would become unranked..

Stanford is #24. If they lose, there is NO question, they would be gone. And Washington St is a definite as well. They lose, gonzo.

The problem with the Pac 12 is the 1 loss chance(Washington) had by far the worst OOC schedule. If Colorado, Utah, or USC had 1 loss, they would be in a far better position- probably a lock right now if they won out.

Ha! Do you have a short memory of how the quickly the committee dropped Florida out the polls? They lost to Arkansas 31-10 and went from #11 to out of the polls.

I would not be shocked if UL drops to #18 or lower under where they put Houston.

They're going to be at the extreme lowest around #10.

Oh, really let's bet on that. I GUARANTEE you that Louisville will not be ranked in the top ten on Tuesday in the playoff poll.

#6 Washington 9-1
#7 Wisconson 8-2
#8 Penn State 8-2
#9 Oklahoma 8-2
#10 Colorado 8-2
#12 Utah 8-2
#13 USC 7-3
#16 LSU 6-3

Unless there are some major upsets this weekend only dropping to #15-17 would be a victory for them. And I want to put this into perspective for you.

Houston has more top 25 wins than Louisville this season and has the same record It would not shock me if they bring Houston above Louisville.

There's no lock that Utah and USC will pass them. those 2 won't get much respect for beating bad Oregon and UCLA teams. LSU might if they beat Florida- but wouldn't guarantee that at all. So Washington, Wisconsin, Penn St, Oklahoma/WVU winner, and Colorado will pass them. That puts them at 10. No chance in hell they fall to 15-17.

(11-18-2016 04:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What I mean is Washington's resume is what is being evaluated. Not the entire Pac 12 resume. I mean right now, Washington doesn't get helped one iota by Colorado being 8-2. They would if they got in the title game.

Here is their resume.

Have they beaten multiple top 25 teams? Yes.
Did they win all their OOC games? Yes.
Are they in position to win their conference? Yes.

It mattered what Colorado did before Louisville lost to Houston but now it does not. No matter what happens if Washington wins tomorrow next Tuesday they are going to be ranked #5. And that Saturday the loser of Ohio State vs Michigan is going to have two losses and drop below them putting them at #4 before the Pac-12 championship game.

Just want to put it out there that Clemson only has 3 top 25. The rest of their schedule has been pretty weak also. And they lost to an average Pitt team.

(11-18-2016 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  There's no lock that Utah and USC will pass them. those 2 won't get much respect for beating bad Oregon and UCLA teams. LSU might if they beat Florida- but wouldn't guarantee that at all. So Washington, Wisconsin, Penn St, Oklahoma/WVU winner, and Colorado will pass them. That puts them at 10. No chance in hell they fall to 15-17.

Okay, bets on.