(09-26-2016 11:41 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If winning national championships, SEC titles, a ton of games & consistent top 10 recruiting classes isn't enough to keep a job at LSU then why would any coach go there? The SEC ran off better coaches than they brought in last year. If I'm Fisher I stay at FSU & if I were Herman I would choose USC over LSU.

Agreed. FSU to LSU is a slight upgrade, but very slight, so why leave? Fisher won't leave. And if Herman has his choice of USC or LSU, it's USC.

But if I were Petrino, I'd go to LSU.

Petrino already did that once though....I tend to think he'll be happy just having a job, and stick it out in Louisville.

I'd take Petrino... He did wonders with Arkansas. In 2011, his last year, the only two teams he lost to were the two that played for the national title. But I doubt he'd leave LU.

(09-26-2016 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If winning national championships, SEC titles, a ton of games & consistent top 10 recruiting classes isn't enough to keep a job at LSU then why would any coach go there? The SEC ran off better coaches than they brought in last year. If I'm Fisher I stay at FSU & if I were Herman I would choose USC over LSU.

I get what you are saying but you are ignoring the fact that since the earlier success he has failed to field a competent offense, and was in the process of wasting one of the best college RBs in some time when he was fired. I remember when we beat them in the Chick-fil-a Bowl almost four years ago the LSU fans were complaining about their offense leading up to the game, then complained about only gaining 219 total yards and how when he had the chance to ice the game late by running the ball they tried to pass it in their final drive only to have to punt to us and allowing us to drive for the winning FG. They had 1 yard of total offense in the 4th quarter.

As good as LSU has been on defense the past few years and how many of their losses were tight games imagine what could have been accomplished had they put even a halfway decent offense out there.

(09-26-2016 03:12 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  You must be insane. California is arguably the best recruiting ground in the country and USC has more national championships than just about everyone except Alabama and ND.

You guys have three, not even in the same league.

Don't get offended. I just meant that the SEC is a harder conference than the PAC. My post was about current football. As far as recruiting goes, since it was brought up, going back to 2012 (which would be the oldest recruiting year for current players) LSU had a better class than USC in 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2016.

I'm not offended lol, I was just pointing out that you need to remove the homer shades. Even if the SEC is a better conference that has no relevance in your statement. The SEC may be a tougher conference but every power conference is tough.

And dude, you guys had a better class those years because with have been on sanctions if you haven't been under rock. And your statement still is not true.

Per rivals

2012-USC
2013-LSU (We only signed 12 players and LSU signed 26)
2014-LSU (We signed 20 and LSU signed 25)
2015-USC We signed the first full class in years and were ranked as having the top recruiting class in the country.
2016-LSU (Again because you guys signed more players than us)

I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

I guess it depends on who you use. I used Scout and they have USC ranked #20 in recruiting for 2012, LSU at #6.

I assume you're talking about prestige in those top 5 schools, because you're not talking about top 5 in power, not in this century, not with USC and ND. USC's boat sailed with Pete Carroll as Alabama's had come in with Saban, before then, UA was just another check mark. ND, well, they've had 3 decent and 1 good seasons since 2000 and never won a single major bowl game.

Dude scout is rated as the one of the worst recruiting sites out there. 24/7, ESPN, and Rivals are the ones who invest the most resources.

Not this century

I'm going to assume you meant decade because a century is 100 years. And even if you did mean decade let's examine how USC has performed with the final ranking of the season.

2005-#2
2006-#4
2007- #3
2008-#3
2009-#22
2010-NR
2011-#6
2012- NR
2013-#19
2014-#24
2015-NR

In ten years USC has finished the season ranked 7 times and many of those have been top 10 finishes.

As much as it pains me to say this being an SEC fan also, you sound like a typical SEC fan who can't tell you anything about teams outside the SEC.

(09-26-2016 03:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 03:12 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  You must be insane. California is arguably the best recruiting ground in the country and USC has more national championships than just about everyone except Alabama and ND.

You guys have three, not even in the same league.

Don't get offended. I just meant that the SEC is a harder conference than the PAC. My post was about current football. As far as recruiting goes, since it was brought up, going back to 2012 (which would be the oldest recruiting year for current players) LSU had a better class than USC in 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2016.

I'm not offended lol, I was just pointing out that you need to remove the homer shades. Even if the SEC is a better conference that has no relevance in your statement. The SEC may be a tougher conference but every power conference is tough.

And dude, you guys had a better class those years because with have been on sanctions if you haven't been under rock. And your statement still is not true.

Per rivals

2012-USC
2013-LSU (We only signed 12 players and LSU signed 26)
2014-LSU (We signed 20 and LSU signed 25)
2015-USC We signed the first full class in years and were ranked as having the top recruiting class in the country.
2016-LSU (Again because you guys signed more players than us)

I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

I guess it depends on who you use. I used Scout and they have USC ranked #20 in recruiting for 2012, LSU at #6.

I assume you're talking about prestige in those top 5 schools, because you're not talking about top 5 in power, not in this century, not with USC and ND. USC's boat sailed with Pete Carroll as Alabama's had come in with Saban, before then, UA was just another check mark. ND, well, they've had 3 decent and 1 good seasons since 2000 and never won a single major bowl game.

Dude scout is rated as the one of the worst recruiting sites out there. 24/7, ESPN, and Rivals are the ones who invest the most resources.

Not this century

I'm going to assume you meant decade because a century is 100 years. And even if you did mean decade let's examine how USC has performed with the final ranking of the season.

2005-#2
2006-#4
2007- #3
2008-#3
2009-#22
2010-NR
2011-#6
2012- NR
2013-#19
2014-#24
2015-NR

In ten years USC has finished the season ranked 7 times and many of those have been top 10 finishes.

As much as it pains me to say this being an SEC fan also, you sound like a typical SEC fan who can't tell you anything about teams outside the SEC.

Yes, this century meaning the 21st century, since 2000.

2000 LSU - #22
2001 LSU - #7
2002 LSU - NR
2003 LSU - #1
2004 LSU - #16
2005 LSU - #5
2006 LSU - #3
2007 LSU - #1
2008 LSU - NR
2009 LSU - #17
2010 LSU - #8
2011 LSU - #2
2012 LSU - #12
2013 LSU - #14
2014 LSU - NR
2015 LSU - #16

In 16 seasons, LSU finished ranked 13 times with 7 top 10 finishes. Since 2012, we've slowly fallen off the boat which is why they're looking for a new coach. Don't be pained, I'm knowledgeable in more than just the SEC, however, this thread is about the team I like the most which just happens to be in the SEC and I'm giving my opinion on why I think LSU is a better, or just as good of a fit in the top 5 powers for the 21st century, even though LSU has played and beaten ND (2006 in a major bowl), UA (2011 in a #1 vs #2), OU (2003 in the BCSNC), and tOSU (2007 in the BCSNC) this century. Whether or not you agree, I'm just making my case.

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

LSU is one of the elite, blue blood programs. But within that category, it is not ultra-elite. The ultra-elite, and rough order of overall brand value and success are:

Notre Dame
Alabama
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
Texas

LSU is in the next batch of 10 or so programs:

Penn State
LSU
Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Georgia
Nebraska
Miami
FSU

So Fisher is unlikely to leave FSU because it's essentially a lateral move. It's a slight upgrade but not worth uprooting his program at FSU.

But Herman or Petrino? If either has an offer from USC on the table, we'd expect them to go with USC. But LSU should be able to attract the other one. Unless ... Notre Dame dumps Kelly. Then it could be very interesting. LSU might get stuck with Orgeron, LOL.

But, maybe not. LSU has advantages over USC and Notre Dame as well. USC's problem is the anemic PAC revenue. LSU is flush with surging SEC cash. USC isn't. Plus, the USC job is unique among college jobs. It's almost like an NFL job. It is a better fit for a coach like Pete Carroll who enjoys a big city environment and a celebrity media spotlight. Many college coaches are control freaks and like being in smaller towns where they are Kings and the local media bows to them. That's not LA but it is Baton Rouge.

And compared to Notre Dame ... the Irish are struggling under the impression that even good coaches can't win there anymore, that the school's higher academic standards and cold weather location make it passe. The success of Meyer at Ohio State has dented the latter impression but there's still the issue of academics. Even though Kelly has upgraded the talent, when I look at the ND players on the sidelines, there are still too many who don't look like NFL-ready studs like you see at Alabama or ... LSU.

It's been almost 30 years since they won a national title. So for young hungry coaches who want rings now, the LSU job might seem like a better fit.

(09-25-2016 11:09 PM)3BNole Wrote:  Fisher makes more than Les Miles and is only behind Meyer, Harbaugh, Saban, and Stoops in pay. I don't think LSU could match FSU in pay. Besides the good situation he is in here, as already documented, he's also got ties with both of his children going to school here and one of his sons playing high school football here. I expect there'll be renegotiations but I don't see him leaving with the 5th highest paid coaching salary in the country and an 8yr contact.

Look for FSU to raise that salary.

(09-26-2016 11:39 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 08:48 PM)Maize Wrote:  Here is the link:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...tom-herman

just a dumb article....while both Herman and Fisher are good, they both seem extremely loyal to their schools and are in great position to say "NO"

why not look at Lane Kiffan or Steve Sarkisian?

if Herman doesn't come, what about Major Applewhite, the O. Coordinator for Houston?? where was he born again??

There are PLENTY of good coaches abound...LSU doesn't have to break the bank, they just have to be smart. Saban wasn't a household name when LSU hired him....

It certainly doesn't have to be Herman, Fisher or BUST...that's incredibly stupid

least logical post on this forum outside of a David State post

yea LSU fired Les Miles so they could hire the OC from dem coogs doh....yea that totally makes sense they are really looking to take a Major risk on this hire......and even if he did work out and he proved to be great it is 100% sure he would leave LSU to go to UT as soon as the UT job opened up and was offered

and skippy kiffen.....yea he is a real winner he crapped on Tennessee and left them in terrible shape and he sucked at USC so who on earth would not give that disaster a 3rd chance

and Sark......in Louisiana where they have drive thru margarita stores and Bourbon Street would be an hour away.....they are hiring a football coach not a beer pong coach or a keg stand coordinator.....here is Sark in his first team meeting .....they fired a guy that can't manage the clock or the offense so they can hire a guy that can't manage his own life

you left out Mike Leach and Johnny Football

(09-26-2016 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:41 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If winning national championships, SEC titles, a ton of games & consistent top 10 recruiting classes isn't enough to keep a job at LSU then why would any coach go there? The SEC ran off better coaches than they brought in last year. If I'm Fisher I stay at FSU & if I were Herman I would choose USC over LSU.

Agreed. FSU to LSU is a slight upgrade, but very slight, so why leave? Fisher won't leave. And if Herman has his choice of USC or LSU, it's USC.

But if I were Petrino, I'd go to LSU.

Petrino already did that once though....I tend to think he'll be happy just having a job, and stick it out in Louisville.

I tend to agree with this.

I don't think Petrino is going anywhere.

He has already tried to move on and is just lucky to be back where he was.

while I don't think petrino would go to LSU right now he is one of those coaches like Meyer and Graham that has figured out that if you move around when you are hot it gives you a fresh start and you can avoid a drop off that fans might not be happy with and that can result in a downward spiral if you do not correct it quickly

I would not be shocked to see him move in 2 or 3 years from now.....plus fresh supply of babes to boink and you get out from the press that might be on to you and Joey Freshwater and Ron Mexico out clubbing together and boinking coeds

(09-26-2016 03:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 03:12 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  You must be insane. California is arguably the best recruiting ground in the country and USC has more national championships than just about everyone except Alabama and ND.

You guys have three, not even in the same league.

Don't get offended. I just meant that the SEC is a harder conference than the PAC. My post was about current football. As far as recruiting goes, since it was brought up, going back to 2012 (which would be the oldest recruiting year for current players) LSU had a better class than USC in 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2016.

I'm not offended lol, I was just pointing out that you need to remove the homer shades. Even if the SEC is a better conference that has no relevance in your statement. The SEC may be a tougher conference but every power conference is tough.

And dude, you guys had a better class those years because with have been on sanctions if you haven't been under rock. And your statement still is not true.

Per rivals

2012-USC
2013-LSU (We only signed 12 players and LSU signed 26)
2014-LSU (We signed 20 and LSU signed 25)
2015-USC We signed the first full class in years and were ranked as having the top recruiting class in the country.
2016-LSU (Again because you guys signed more players than us)

I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

I guess it depends on who you use. I used Scout and they have USC ranked #20 in recruiting for 2012, LSU at #6.

I assume you're talking about prestige in those top 5 schools, because you're not talking about top 5 in power, not in this century, not with USC and ND. USC's boat sailed with Pete Carroll as Alabama's had come in with Saban, before then, UA was just another check mark. ND, well, they've had 3 decent and 1 good seasons since 2000 and never won a single major bowl game.

Dude scout is rated as the one of the worst recruiting sites out there. 24/7, ESPN, and Rivals are the ones who invest the most resources.

Not this century

I'm going to assume you meant decade because a century is 100 years. And even if you did mean decade let's examine how USC has performed with the final ranking of the season.

2005-#2
2006-#4
2007- #3
2008-#3
2009-#22
2010-NR
2011-#6
2012- NR
2013-#19
2014-#24
2015-NR

In ten years USC has finished the season ranked 7 times and many of those have been top 10 finishes.

As much as it pains me to say this being an SEC fan also, you sound like a typical SEC fan who can't tell you anything about teams outside the SEC.

Century is accurate for his point.

USC is an elite destination but it takes a different kind of person and a different kind of personality.

The only big time coach likely to fit in out there this cycle is Herman.
There actually is an SEC benefit. In the coaching world the perception that you are playing in the best conference against the best competition is a plus. You can't be the best if you don't beat the best. Coaches have egos, and the great ones want to satisfy that by playing in the SEC--at least at this point and right or wrong.

Without getting too into a pissing contest between fanbases and schools, LSU is a good enough destination to compete with USC in most senses. The deciding factor is not the schools or jobs themselves but the man making the decision.

(09-26-2016 11:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 03:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 03:12 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Don't get offended. I just meant that the SEC is a harder conference than the PAC. My post was about current football. As far as recruiting goes, since it was brought up, going back to 2012 (which would be the oldest recruiting year for current players) LSU had a better class than USC in 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2016.

I'm not offended lol, I was just pointing out that you need to remove the homer shades. Even if the SEC is a better conference that has no relevance in your statement. The SEC may be a tougher conference but every power conference is tough.

And dude, you guys had a better class those years because with have been on sanctions if you haven't been under rock. And your statement still is not true.

Per rivals

2012-USC
2013-LSU (We only signed 12 players and LSU signed 26)
2014-LSU (We signed 20 and LSU signed 25)
2015-USC We signed the first full class in years and were ranked as having the top recruiting class in the country.
2016-LSU (Again because you guys signed more players than us)

I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

I guess it depends on who you use. I used Scout and they have USC ranked #20 in recruiting for 2012, LSU at #6.

I assume you're talking about prestige in those top 5 schools, because you're not talking about top 5 in power, not in this century, not with USC and ND. USC's boat sailed with Pete Carroll as Alabama's had come in with Saban, before then, UA was just another check mark. ND, well, they've had 3 decent and 1 good seasons since 2000 and never won a single major bowl game.

Dude scout is rated as the one of the worst recruiting sites out there. 24/7, ESPN, and Rivals are the ones who invest the most resources.

Not this century

I'm going to assume you meant decade because a century is 100 years. And even if you did mean decade let's examine how USC has performed with the final ranking of the season.

2005-#2
2006-#4
2007- #3
2008-#3
2009-#22
2010-NR
2011-#6
2012- NR
2013-#19
2014-#24
2015-NR

In ten years USC has finished the season ranked 7 times and many of those have been top 10 finishes.

As much as it pains me to say this being an SEC fan also, you sound like a typical SEC fan who can't tell you anything about teams outside the SEC.

Century is accurate for his point.

USC is an elite destination but it takes a different kind of person and a different kind of personality.

The only big time coach likely to fit in out there this cycle is Herman.
There actually is an SEC benefit. In the coaching world the perception that you are playing in the best conference against the best competition is a plus. You can't be the best if you don't beat the best. Coaches have egos, and the great ones want to satisfy that by playing in the SEC--at least at this point and right or wrong.

Without getting too into a pissing contest between fanbases and schools, LSU is a good enough destination to compete with USC in most senses. The deciding factor is not the schools or jobs themselves but the man making the decision.

one issue with USC especially right now is their fans do not realize how damaged their program is

between the cheating, the coaching churn and the athletic administration turnover they have a ways to go

their fans are not willing to let a coach come in and rebuild a program over 3 or 4 years they expect top recruiting classes from day one and they expect those recruits to all make it to campus, get on the field, mesh with what is left from the last disasters and to perform and win immediately

while some can say that is exactly what LSU is doing the reality is he was at LSU for 12 years and his NC was in 2007 and they played for one in 2011 and they have dropped off since then

this is (was) 100% his program, his players, his coordinators ect and when you get paid the top dollars and you have everything you need to win the expectations are high especially when it is clearly 100% your program

and really Miles for all he did well was just not getting past the time management and the offense was not getting better and you have to ask how many more years he would need

he probably would have been better off jumping ship when Michigan came calling a while back

LSU was really just looking to avoid a UGA situation....clearly Richt can coach, but he was never going to get over the hump at UGA period and sometimes when your coach will not move on you have to move him on and take a chance

Petrino isn't going to leave Louisville. Herman isn't going to take an SEC job, he will wait out UT or OU. LSU will end up with Jeff Brohm, Chad Morris, Larry Fedora, Justin Fuente or Sonny Dykes. Da Coach O will be hired by Lynn Swann after Clay Helton is fired after losing to UCLA.

(09-26-2016 11:48 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Petrino isn't going to leave Louisville. Herman isn't going to take an SEC job, he will wait out UT or OU. LSU will end up with Jeff Brohm, Chad Morris, Larry Fedora, Justin Fuente or Sonny Dykes. Da Coach O will be hired by Lynn Swann after Clay Helton is fired after losing to UCLA.

Sonny Dykes is not the right fit for there he won't go there because he does not need to

he will leave Cal ASAP, but more likely to Baylor this year or Texas Tech in a year or two or a long shot maybe A&M, but I doubt that I don't think they would be smart enough to take him if he keeps winning

Gary Danielson floated Dan Mullen to LSU on the radio yesterday.


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(09-27-2016 04:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Gary Danielson floated Dan Mullen to LSU on the radio yesterday.


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His stock is a bit down this year but it's certainly a possibility.

(09-26-2016 04:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

LSU is one of the elite, blue blood programs. But within that category, it is not ultra-elite. The ultra-elite, and rough order of overall brand value and success are:

Notre Dame
Alabama
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
Texas

LSU is in the next batch of 10 or so programs:

Penn State
LSU
Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Georgia
Nebraska
Miami
FSU

So Fisher is unlikely to leave FSU because it's essentially a lateral move. It's a slight upgrade but not worth uprooting his program at FSU.

But Herman or Petrino? If either has an offer from USC on the table, we'd expect them to go with USC. But LSU should be able to attract the other one. Unless ... Notre Dame dumps Kelly. Then it could be very interesting. LSU might get stuck with Orgeron, LOL.

But, maybe not. LSU has advantages over USC and Notre Dame as well. USC's problem is the anemic PAC revenue. LSU is flush with surging SEC cash. USC isn't. Plus, the USC job is unique among college jobs. It's almost like an NFL job. It is a better fit for a coach like Pete Carroll who enjoys a big city environment and a celebrity media spotlight. Many college coaches are control freaks and like being in smaller towns where they are Kings and the local media bows to them. That's not LA but it is Baton Rouge.

And compared to Notre Dame ... the Irish are struggling under the impression that even good coaches can't win there anymore, that the school's higher academic standards and cold weather location make it passe. The success of Meyer at Ohio State has dented the latter impression but there's still the issue of academics. Even though Kelly has upgraded the talent, when I look at the ND players on the sidelines, there are still too many who don't look like NFL-ready studs like you see at Alabama or ... LSU.

It's been almost 30 years since they won a national title. So for young hungry coaches who want rings now, the LSU job might seem like a better fit.

Great point. Kelley is doing as well as anyone in that position.

(09-27-2016 09:52 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm also one of the few Bama fans who has actually attended the school. And watch SEC football and can with a straight face tell you LSU is not a top 5 program like UA, ND, USC, Ohio State, and OU.

LSU is one of the elite, blue blood programs. But within that category, it is not ultra-elite. The ultra-elite, and rough order of overall brand value and success are:

Notre Dame
Alabama
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
Texas

LSU is in the next batch of 10 or so programs:

Penn State
LSU
Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Georgia
Nebraska
Miami
FSU

So Fisher is unlikely to leave FSU because it's essentially a lateral move. It's a slight upgrade but not worth uprooting his program at FSU.

But Herman or Petrino? If either has an offer from USC on the table, we'd expect them to go with USC. But LSU should be able to attract the other one. Unless ... Notre Dame dumps Kelly. Then it could be very interesting. LSU might get stuck with Orgeron, LOL.

But, maybe not. LSU has advantages over USC and Notre Dame as well. USC's problem is the anemic PAC revenue. LSU is flush with surging SEC cash. USC isn't. Plus, the USC job is unique among college jobs. It's almost like an NFL job. It is a better fit for a coach like Pete Carroll who enjoys a big city environment and a celebrity media spotlight. Many college coaches are control freaks and like being in smaller towns where they are Kings and the local media bows to them. That's not LA but it is Baton Rouge.

And compared to Notre Dame ... the Irish are struggling under the impression that even good coaches can't win there anymore, that the school's higher academic standards and cold weather location make it passe. The success of Meyer at Ohio State has dented the latter impression but there's still the issue of academics. Even though Kelly has upgraded the talent, when I look at the ND players on the sidelines, there are still too many who don't look like NFL-ready studs like you see at Alabama or ... LSU.

It's been almost 30 years since they won a national title. So for young hungry coaches who want rings now, the LSU job might seem like a better fit.

Great point. Kelley is doing as well as anyone in that position.

he needs to get his team a strategic schematic offensive advantage....not sure how he would do that or who he would call, but ND might even have someone on the payroll that could help him with that