(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Great, they have the right to do so as long as they realize most people think they are freaking idiots protesting against "oppression" while collecting million dollar paychecks, living in mansions, and driving Ferraris.

(09-02-2016 01:20 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 12:11 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 08:06 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Will any black leader ever step up and address the numerous problems in their community that ACTUALLY EXIST instead of constantly complaining about white folks?

Happens everyday. There isn't any coverage because it doesn't play to the narrative of either side of the argument. It's not coming from "leaders " because they only exist to please the media and the opposition.

Can you name these leaders and what "change" they have been able to create with in the Black Community. ? Give some "success stories " because they are not in Detroit, DC, Baltimore, Chicago,...

As for not "fitting the "narrative on both sides", what does that mean?

In the very post you quoted said that it's not coming from leaders. You also use the biggest cases for dysfunction in the US. Instead of Detroit, why not Oxford, NC? Instead of Chicago, why not Ladera Heights, CA? Better yet, why do we use particular dangerous neighborhoods and attribute that to an entire city?

There are many black success stories in this country. But you'll never find them if you can only pull the worst situations in the country out of your ass any time the conversation comes up.

As far as "the narrative" is concerned, do you think either side of the argument wants to show black people doing well? Just living and working like normal folks? No.

One side wants to paint us as perpetual victims and the other wants to paint us as perpetual annoyances.

(09-02-2016 01:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Great, they have the right to do so as long as they realize most people think they are freaking idiots protesting against "oppression" while collecting million dollar paychecks, living in mansions, and driving Ferraris.

People wouldn't think any better of them if they were poor and making the same claims. It's really just a subconscious way of saying that you don't want to hear it or see it.

There's never a good situation to make a stand, right or wrong. Sometimes you just have to do it.

(09-02-2016 02:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Great, they have the right to do so as long as they realize most people think they are freaking idiots protesting against "oppression" while collecting million dollar paychecks, living in mansions, and driving Ferraris.

People wouldn't think any better of them if they were poor and making the same claims. It's really just a subconscious way of saying that you don't want to hear it or see it.

There's never a good situation to make a stand, right or wrong. Sometimes you just have to do it.

I have to give them credit for having the guts to do that knowing people are going to hate them for it. I think there is a lot of injustice in the world but I'm not willing to protest in that way.

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Are any of them starters?

(09-02-2016 02:45 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Are any of them starters?

Does it even matter?

(09-02-2016 02:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Great, they have the right to do so as long as they realize most people think they are freaking idiots protesting against "oppression" while collecting million dollar paychecks, living in mansions, and driving Ferraris.

People wouldn't think any better of them if they were poor and making the same claims. It's really just a subconscious way of saying that you don't want to hear it or see it.

There's never a good situation to make a stand, right or wrong. Sometimes you just have to do it.

I have to give them credit for having the guts to do that knowing people are going to hate them for it. I think there is a lot of injustice in the world but I'm not willing to protest in that way.

Just reminds me of those idiot Occupy protesters crying about corporations while sipping their Starbucks and playing with their iPhones, etc.

(09-02-2016 02:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:45 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Are any of them starters?

Does it even matter?

It does matter. And it's a serious question.

(09-02-2016 02:56 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:45 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I saw last night on ESPN that more football players are now joining Kap on his "sit in".

Are any of them starters?

Does it even matter?

It does matter. And it's a serious question.

Well it's still pre season so I don't know if they are starters or not.

(09-02-2016 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  As far as "the narrative" is concerned, do you think either side of the argument wants to show black people doing well? Just living and working like normal folks? No.
One side wants to paint us as perpetual victims and the other wants to paint us as perpetual annoyances.

Spot on. That is the problem in a nutshell.

Here's what baffles me. I can see that democrats get political mileage out of portraying black people as victims. What I don't understand is why republicans don't respond with the living and working like normal folks angle.

It seems to me that they could gain a lot of political capital by doing so.

(08-27-2016 12:06 PM)green Wrote:  

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has willingly immersed himself into controversy by refusing to stand for the playing of the national anthem in protest of what he deems are wrongdoings against African Americans and minorities in the United States.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
-- nfl.com

MILLIONAIRE BY HALFTIME

I honestly don't understand why anyone cares.

(09-07-2016 12:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I honestly don't understand why anyone cares.

Because it is meaningless, so it doesn't invade our Safe Spaces.

The yelling would be just as loud, with roles reversed, if he'd knelt as a protest against Obama.

(09-07-2016 01:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  As far as "the narrative" is concerned, do you think either side of the argument wants to show black people doing well? Just living and working like normal folks? No.
One side wants to paint us as perpetual victims and the other wants to paint us as perpetual annoyances.

Spot on. That is the problem in a nutshell.

Here's what baffles me. I can see that democrats get political mileage out of portraying black people as victims. What I don't understand is why republicans don't respond with the living and working like normal folks angle.

It seems to me that they could gain a lot of political capital by doing so.

I think that's because it's hard on the one hand to capitalize on fear and the perception among whites that things are becoming worse for them. The fact that minorities are more likely to perceive that the long term situation in America is getting better goes hand in hand with the perception among whites is that the situation is getting worse, and that's at least in part because you can look at it as there relative prosperity and opportunity as a zero-sum game (it's not, but there are some effects that are similar to a zero-sum game... for example, a team can have only one quarterback, and prior to the 1980s, he was always white).

It would take a genuine leader to be able to both accept that taking such a stand may hurt his overall political capital while at the same time being able to articulate it in such a manner that he could minimize or mitigate that damage. The problem is that there are very few leaders in our country capable of making those decisions, and in the meantime, the perception that the Republican party is incapable of appealing to minorities is becoming more and more ingrained, possibly to the point that it will never be successfully countered. As much as Donald Trump does not conform to traditional Republican demeanor or policies, I think the real damage that he will have done by the time that he is done is that the Republican party will be incapable of ever getting support from a generation of minority voters... among other things, he's destroyed the political careers of Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio in a single campaign.

(09-07-2016 04:07 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 12:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I honestly don't understand why anyone cares.

Because it is meaningless, so it doesn't invade our Safe Spaces.

The yelling would be just as loud, with roles reversed, if he'd knelt as a protest against Obama.

Maybe, but I still wouldn't get why anyone was caring. I can honestly say that in far more concerned with what I had for lunch than what he thinks about anything, and that's not an exaggeration.

Anybody else hear about how much money the Pentagon has lost track of?

Most of this kind of crap is just to divert attention.

(09-07-2016 06:11 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 01:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  As far as "the narrative" is concerned, do you think either side of the argument wants to show black people doing well? Just living and working like normal folks? No.
One side wants to paint us as perpetual victims and the other wants to paint us as perpetual annoyances.

Spot on. That is the problem in a nutshell.

Here's what baffles me. I can see that democrats get political mileage out of portraying black people as victims. What I don't understand is why republicans don't respond with the living and working like normal folks angle.

It seems to me that they could gain a lot of political capital by doing so.

I think that's because it's hard on the one hand to capitalize on fear and the perception among whites that things are becoming worse for them. The fact that minorities are more likely to perceive that the long term situation in America is getting better goes hand in hand with the perception among whites is that the situation is getting worse, and that's at least in part because you can look at it as there relative prosperity and opportunity as a zero-sum game (it's not, but there are some effects that are similar to a zero-sum game... for example, a team can have only one quarterback, and prior to the 1980s, he was always white).

It would take a genuine leader to be able to both accept that taking such a stand may hurt his overall political capital while at the same time being able to articulate it in such a manner that he could minimize or mitigate that damage. The problem is that there are very few leaders in our country capable of making those decisions, and in the meantime, the perception that the Republican party is incapable of appealing to minorities is becoming more and more ingrained, possibly to the point that it will never be successfully countered. As much as Donald Trump does not conform to traditional Republican demeanor or policies, I think the real damage that he will have done by the time that he is done is that the Republican party will be incapable of ever getting support from a generation of minority voters... among other things, he's destroyed the political careers of Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio in a single campaign.

I agree with everything in this.

As much as conservatives tend to say that liberals are emotional and not logical, the rise of Trump is based entirely upon emotion.

I think there are plenty of leaders who can counter this, but they'd never make it nationally in today's Republican party. They'd have to spend a decade grooming the party into being able to accept them.

(09-07-2016 01:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  As far as "the narrative" is concerned, do you think either side of the argument wants to show black people doing well? Just living and working like normal folks? No.
One side wants to paint us as perpetual victims and the other wants to paint us as perpetual annoyances.

Spot on. That is the problem in a nutshell.

Here's what baffles me. I can see that democrats get political mileage out of portraying black people as victims. What I don't understand is why republicans don't respond with the living and working like normal folks angle.

It seems to me that they could gain a lot of political capital by doing so.

As the other Owl said, that political capital gain could be offset by making the current voters either lose the passion that's going to bring them to the polls.