(08-01-2016 07:19 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:19 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  "We could stay at 10 or we might go to 12 again. But we’re not gonna add schools just for the sake of adding schools.”


Full article here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/columnist/george-schroeder/2016/07/31/aac-media-days-houston-memphis-uconn-cincinnati-big-12-expansion/87891480/

This seems like the most definitive statement yet from anyone in a position of authority. Sound like two AAC schools are gone. Hard to read it any other way. Going to be some disappointed schools after the dust settles.

And there will be many more who is glad its over with.

(08-01-2016 09:01 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Going back to the title of the thread and the value of the AAC.
If the league lost 3, then I could see the league either adding 1 like Army to go to 10, Army,AF and CSU to go to 12 or really go all out and reach out to
Air Force, Colorado State,Boise,UNLV,SDSU and go to 14 with the best of MWC and thus strengthening the league's stranglehold on the best after P5

But first we must wait for the B12 moves

Where is the value in a G5 league that spread out? Add Army football, VCU, WSU and maybe UMass or USM all sports and call it a day. I have no desire for my school to travel to freaking Colorado for conference games,

(08-01-2016 09:01 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Going back to the title of the thread and the value of the AAC.
If the league lost 3, then I could see the league either adding 1 like Army to go to 10, Army,AF and CSU to go to 12 or really go all out and reach out to
Air Force, Colorado State,Boise,UNLV,SDSU and go to 14 with the best of MWC and thus strengthening the league's stranglehold on the best after P5

But first we must wait for the B12 moves

I think that will be his first move: reach out to MWC and army.
In fact, he's probably started that discussion already; probably discussed it with the networks too. I think we'll see that Aresco's been proactive.

If Cincy, Houston and Memphis leave, I say add Army as football only, Rice and Southern Miss in all sports. All three football programs have the best history and tradition of what's available (not counting MWC pouching). Army and USM have average attendance close to 30K, Rice has an enormous endowment where they could instantly match any AAC budget. Rice would have instant rivalries with SMU and Tulane. Tulane and ECU would be very happy to see USM in the league and reunite those rivalries. Army would draw well playing schools in the East.

If Aresco gets assurance from Rice that they are committed, no other school could match their ability to invest.

East
Army
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

West
Navy
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa

I would love to add Air Force and CSU as some have suggested. I just don't think it makes fiscal sense for those two schools to leave MWC.

I wish someone else would mention Army and USM...

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Fluster Cluck.
We might not need to expand.

(08-03-2016 07:38 PM)akhosrof Wrote:  If Cincy, Houston and Memphis leave, I say add Army as football only, Rice and Southern Miss in all sports. All three football programs have the best history and tradition of what's available (not counting MWC pouching). Army and USM have average attendance close to 30K, Rice has an enormous endowment where they could instantly match any AAC budget. Rice would have instant rivalries with SMU and Tulane. Tulane and ECU would be very happy to see USM in the league and reunite those rivalries. Army would draw well playing schools in the East.

If Aresco gets assurance from Rice that they are committed, no other school could match their ability to invest.

East
Army
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF

West
Navy
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa

I would love to add Air Force and CSU as some have suggested. I just don't think it makes fiscal sense for those two schools to leave MWC.

I think we will get something like this.

What if we only lose 1 team?

(08-03-2016 08:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  What if we only lose 1 team?

That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  What if we only lose 1 team?

That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

That's all we need. No rice, csu, so miss, et al. Keep it tight.

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  What if we only lose 1 team?

That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

(08-03-2016 09:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  What if we only lose 1 team?

That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

With AF, CSU, or Boise, you have to present a better media contract deal than we currently have. Their would need to be some kind of deal in place (behind the scenes) because I don't think MWC schools on the front range or Boise would move for lateral pay. I agree that Army, CSU, AF, Boise are brands that improve our brand and that is why you reach out to them first. Strategically that league angles for inclusion in the P side of the divide, if other things work out (like winning key OOC games).

(08-03-2016 11:25 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  What if we only lose 1 team?

That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

With AF, CSU, or Boise, you have to present a better media contract deal than we currently have. Their would need to be some kind of deal in place (behind the scenes) because I don't think MWC schools on the front range or Boise would move for lateral pay. I agree that Army, CSU, AF, Boise are brands that improve our brand and that is why you reach out to them first. Strategically that league angles for inclusion in the P side of the divide, if other things work out (like winning key OOC games).

The AAC has no chance to get any of the western teams mentioned, especially after the conference is gutted by the Big 12. It ain't going to happen.

(08-03-2016 11:30 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:25 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  What if we only lose 1 team?

That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

With AF, CSU, or Boise, you have to present a better media contract deal than we currently have. Their would need to be some kind of deal in place (behind the scenes) because I don't think MWC schools on the front range or Boise would move for lateral pay. I agree that Army, CSU, AF, Boise are brands that improve our brand and that is why you reach out to them first. Strategically that league angles for inclusion in the P side of the divide, if other things work out (like winning key OOC games).

The AAC has no chance to get any of the western teams mentioned, especially after the conference is gutted by the Big 12. It ain't going to happen.

I happen to agree. AAC would need to offer something that causes the schools to gaze again. Not sure we have it.

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(08-03-2016 11:55 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:30 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:25 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

With AF, CSU, or Boise, you have to present a better media contract deal than we currently have. Their would need to be some kind of deal in place (behind the scenes) because I don't think MWC schools on the front range or Boise would move for lateral pay. I agree that Army, CSU, AF, Boise are brands that improve our brand and that is why you reach out to them first. Strategically that league angles for inclusion in the P side of the divide, if other things work out (like winning key OOC games).

The AAC has no chance to get any of the western teams mentioned, especially after the conference is gutted by the Big 12. It ain't going to happen.

I happen to agree. AAC would need to offer something that causes the schools to gaze again. Not sure we have it.

.

Navy... It all starts with Navy.

This conference has too much parity to be "gutted"... Unlike the MWC, who has 1 good team.

The academies are who are the focus. Everything branches from there. There is a great foundation in the AAC. Even poached would offer better basketball. Even poached, better football.

AAC isn't playing itself in bowls.

(08-03-2016 11:59 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:55 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:30 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:25 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

With AF, CSU, or Boise, you have to present a better media contract deal than we currently have. Their would need to be some kind of deal in place (behind the scenes) because I don't think MWC schools on the front range or Boise would move for lateral pay. I agree that Army, CSU, AF, Boise are brands that improve our brand and that is why you reach out to them first. Strategically that league angles for inclusion in the P side of the divide, if other things work out (like winning key OOC games).

The AAC has no chance to get any of the western teams mentioned, especially after the conference is gutted by the Big 12. It ain't going to happen.

I happen to agree. AAC would need to offer something that causes the schools to gaze again. Not sure we have it.

.

Navy... It all starts with Navy.

This conference has too much parity to be "gutted"... Unlike the MWC, who has 1 good team.

The academies are who are the focus. Everything branches from there. There is a great foundation in the AAC. Even poached would offer better basketball. Even poached, better football.

AAC isn't playing itself in bowls.

MWC University President: "Show me the money."

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(08-03-2016 08:02 PM)Pirate1 Wrote:   Fluster Cluck.
We might not need to expand.

Staples' info has been refuted by 3 others now. Chuck Carlton, Kirk Bohls and Austin Cox. All say Fox is FOR expansion, and ESPN is just posturing, and that expansion will go ahead.

(08-03-2016 11:55 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:30 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:25 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  That is a real possibility.

In that case maybe they push hard for Army to match Navy; and that way the AAC has 10 full members and 2 football only members.

Even if Army were to agree, I still think you go after Air Force with either CSU and Boise State to go to 14 (especially if the one lost is UC).

With AF, CSU, or Boise, you have to present a better media contract deal than we currently have. Their would need to be some kind of deal in place (behind the scenes) because I don't think MWC schools on the front range or Boise would move for lateral pay. I agree that Army, CSU, AF, Boise are brands that improve our brand and that is why you reach out to them first. Strategically that league angles for inclusion in the P side of the divide, if other things work out (like winning key OOC games).

The AAC has no chance to get any of the western teams mentioned, especially after the conference is gutted by the Big 12. It ain't going to happen.

I happen to agree. AAC would need to offer something that causes the schools to gaze again. Not sure we have it.

.

If we only lose Cinci, and are able to secure Army, then I think Air Force and CSU become an option.

If we lose Uconn, Cinci and Houston.... well then we must look at a huge offer of 7 teams. Convince them that a joint MWC/AAC will get better bids than if we are alone.
Id offer Air Force, CSU, BSU, UNLV, SDSU, Fresno, and New Mexico.

SJSU and USU are both fairly new and dont have a long history. Hawaii has its own contract and adds nothing to the MWC value. So the two schools who get screwed are Wyoming and Nevada.

Id feel bad for them but San Jose, Utah State, Wyoming, Hawaii and New Mexico State could team up to form a western branch of maybe the Sunbelt... or they could attempt to build something new by getting Idaho to not drop down and convince South Dakota to move up. Also could be a home to Witchita if they do get football.

(08-03-2016 06:22 PM)payday Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 09:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 06:50 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

It was fun to watch before ESPN/Fox etc.. and the age of the mega tv contracts. That is the reality we face and schools like ECU and Southern Miss could easily be middle of the pack in any P5 Conference if we had the same money they have and we would probably make more runs for the top of the league than a Vanderbilt, Kansas, California, Wake etc.. ever could because we are both Football crazy schools.
I remember watching Southern Miss back in the day and it was fun. ECU had classic match ups as well. That 83 season when we only lost to Miami(eventual National Champion) FSU and Florida all by a TD or less it was what College Football was all about. We could have won all three of those games if just one play had gone our way or if the refs were not so blatantly bad but you felt like you had every chance to compete with them.

The era of major southern independents. Great time for football. Better football was played then than today.

In 83 we played. Southern miss, ole miss, miss state, bama, unc, vatech, Louisville, cincy, tulane, vandy, arkstate.

Louisville, cincy, and vandy were considered easy wins. Ark state was the best team in d1-aa.

That 6-4-1 team was better than any team that ever played in the american or the big east after its first defections.

Those were good times. Goofball startups schools, made for tv wouldnt last a quarter against the schools back then.

I call bs on this one. In 2010 Cincinnati went 12-0-1 against Oregon St, Louisville, WVU, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Florida. All P5, 5 Top25, and sans Rutgers, all played in BCS Bowls. Otherwise agree about what ESPiN has done.

In 2010 cincy was 4 -8.

In 2009 cincy was 12 -1, not 12-0-1 and got skull drug by an 7 win regular season florida. Florida hung 52 on the bearcats. Lmao. You lost to the only good team you played. The nation rolled its eyes. Since the be breakup the only team to be ranked from that juggernaut schedule is louisville. Paper bearcats. You probably coulda gone 12 -0 in the socon too. People started getting sick of wasting big bowl spots on big east teams. None have gotten close since. Cincy finished 8th lol and dropped 4 spots, wvu dropped 7 to number 25.

The big east football myth.

Stahp

(08-04-2016 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 06:22 PM)payday Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 09:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 06:50 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

It was fun to watch before ESPN/Fox etc.. and the age of the mega tv contracts. That is the reality we face and schools like ECU and Southern Miss could easily be middle of the pack in any P5 Conference if we had the same money they have and we would probably make more runs for the top of the league than a Vanderbilt, Kansas, California, Wake etc.. ever could because we are both Football crazy schools.
I remember watching Southern Miss back in the day and it was fun. ECU had classic match ups as well. That 83 season when we only lost to Miami(eventual National Champion) FSU and Florida all by a TD or less it was what College Football was all about. We could have won all three of those games if just one play had gone our way or if the refs were not so blatantly bad but you felt like you had every chance to compete with them.

The era of major southern independents. Great time for football. Better football was played then than today.

In 83 we played. Southern miss, ole miss, miss state, bama, unc, vatech, Louisville, cincy, tulane, vandy, arkstate.

Louisville, cincy, and vandy were considered easy wins. Ark state was the best team in d1-aa.

That 6-4-1 team was better than any team that ever played in the american or the big east after its first defections.

Those were good times. Goofball startups schools, made for tv wouldnt last a quarter against the schools back then.

I call bs on this one. In 2010 Cincinnati went 12-0-1 against Oregon St, Louisville, WVU, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Florida. All P5, 5 Top25, and sans Rutgers, all played in BCS Bowls. Otherwise agree about what ESPiN has done.

In 2010 cincy was 4 -8.

In 2009 cincy was 12 -1, not 12-0-1 and got skull drug by an 7 win regular season florida. Lmao. You lost to the only good team you played. The nation rolled its eyes. Since the be breakup the only team to be ranked from that juggernaut schedule is louisville. Paper bearcats. You probably coulda gone 12 -0 in the socon too. People started getting sick of wasting big bowl spots on big east teams. None have gotten close since. Cincy finished 8th lol and dropped 4 spots, wvu dropped 7 to number 25.

The big east football myth.

Stahp

Mark Dantonio, Brian Kelly, and Butch Jones were not paper Bearcats.