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RE: Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-01-2016 01:19 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(07-31-2016 10:38 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  The B12 in the way that they handled this set up the scenario that has enraged Aresco. The thing is, college athletics works by the golden rule, the ones with the gold make the rules. As a AD you can't be the guy that didn't pursue a possible $30M windfall in payouts.

My only question is if the Big 12 doesn't reciprocate ...

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will ECU go back and erase those tweets? 01-lauramac2

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(08-01-2016 01:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Aresco is kind of talking in code or he just let the cat out the bag. " We could stay at 10 or go back to 12." Then he said that the AAC will still have most of its high achieving teams. So only 2 schools are leaving? Cincy and UCONN?

BYU can't stay independent. BYU would almost have to take this opportunity, and if we lose one school we will be just fine.

If the B12 does not take BYU, our odds of getting them go up significantly. Just a matter of time...
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RE: Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-01-2016 01:35 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 01:43 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Aresco is kind of talking in code or he just let the cat out the bag. " We could stay at 10 or go back to 12." Then he said that the AAC will still have most of its high achieving teams. So only 2 schools are leaving? Cincy and UCONN?

BYU can't stay independent. BYU would almost have to take this opportunity, and if we lose one school we will be just fine.

If the B12 does not take BYU, our odds of getting them go up significantly. Just a matter of time...

I think so too.
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RE: Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

Could not agree more. It's a damn shame. The BCS and now the Power 5 are killing college football. It is a total monopoly and an anti-trust situation. The P5 are colluding to keep competition out.

I don't see why they G5 schools and conference go along with it. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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RE: Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-01-2016 06:36 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

Could not agree more. It's a damn shame. The BCS and now the Power 5 are killing college football. It is a total monopoly and an anti-trust situation. The P5 are colluding to keep competition out.

I don't see why they G5 schools and conference go along with it. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Members of the G5 conferences go along with it because nobody is willing to rock the boat in college sports until the dust is completely settled in realignment. No university is willing to risk screwing up any chance they might have to advance. Everything is based on self interests and greed.

Once it's finally over, look for the losers in realignment to file mega lawsuits against P5 conferences for anti-trust violations.
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RE: Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-02-2016 05:36 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 06:36 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

Could not agree more. It's a damn shame. The BCS and now the Power 5 are killing college football. It is a total monopoly and an anti-trust situation. The P5 are colluding to keep competition out.

I don't see why they G5 schools and conference go along with it. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Members of the G5 conferences go along with it because nobody is willing to rock the boat in college sports until the dust is completely settled in realignment. No university is willing to risk screwing up any chance they might have to advance. Everything is based on self interests and greed.

Once it's finally over, look for the losers in realignment to file mega lawsuits against P5 conferences for anti-trust violations.
Why don't schools like La Tech who have no hope of ever getting to another level just form their own league and work for a playoff?
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RE: Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

It was fun to watch before ESPN/Fox etc.. and the age of the mega tv contracts. That is the reality we face and schools like ECU and Southern Miss could easily be middle of the pack in any P5 Conference if we had the same money they have and we would probably make more runs for the top of the league than a Vanderbilt, Kansas, California, Wake etc.. ever could because we are both Football crazy schools.
I remember watching Southern Miss back in the day and it was fun. ECU had classic match ups as well. That 83 season when we only lost to Miami(eventual National Champion) FSU and Florida all by a TD or less it was what College Football was all about. We could have won all three of those games if just one play had gone our way or if the refs were not so blatantly bad but you felt like you had every chance to compete with them.



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get real, before the BCS the G5 had no chance at a major bowl, and in most cases barely had any bowls. They have always been 2nd class citizens.
When UCF joined the Mac they had just gotten their 2nd bowl game. TV didn't want them, bowls didn't want them, and other than usually being a warm up game the big 6 didn't want them.
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(08-01-2016 06:36 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

Could not agree more. It's a damn shame. The BCS and now the Power 5 are killing college football. It is a total monopoly and an anti-trust situation. The P5 are colluding to keep competition out.

I don't see why they G5 schools and conference go along with it. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I'd love to hear some clarification of this suggestion. Conferences have the right to invite (or not) whomever they choose. They have the right to take as much $$$ as some d**n fool network is willing to pay them. Bowls have the right to contract with whatever conference they wish.

I'm as mad about the P5/G5 split as you are... but I don't understand how a court can force any conference to add any team.
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(08-02-2016 06:50 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

It was fun to watch before ESPN/Fox etc.. and the age of the mega tv contracts. That is the reality we face and schools like ECU and Southern Miss could easily be middle of the pack in any P5 Conference if we had the same money they have and we would probably make more runs for the top of the league than a Vanderbilt, Kansas, California, Wake etc.. ever could because we are both Football crazy schools.
I remember watching Southern Miss back in the day and it was fun. ECU had classic match ups as well. That 83 season when we only lost to Miami(eventual National Champion) FSU and Florida all by a TD or less it was what College Football was all about. We could have won all three of those games if just one play had gone our way or if the refs were not so blatantly bad but you felt like you had every chance to compete with them.




The era of major southern independents. Great time for football. Better football was played then than today.

In 83 we played. Southern miss, ole miss, miss state, bama, unc, vatech, Louisville, cincy, tulane, vandy, arkstate.

Louisville, cincy, and vandy were considered easy wins. Ark state was the best team in d1-aa.

That 6-4-1 team was better than any team that ever played in the american or the big east after its first defections.

Those were good times. Goofball startups schools, made for tv wouldnt last a quarter against the schools back then.
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Mike Aresco: “We’re not gonna dilute the brand."
(08-02-2016 06:50 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

It was fun to watch before ESPN/Fox etc.. and the age of the mega tv contracts. That is the reality we face and schools like ECU and Southern Miss could easily be middle of the pack in any P5 Conference if we had the same money they have and we would probably make more runs for the top of the league than a Vanderbilt, Kansas, California, Wake etc.. ever could because we are both Football crazy schools.
I remember watching Southern Miss back in the day and it was fun. ECU had classic match ups as well. That 83 season when we only lost to Miami(eventual National Champion) FSU and Florida all by a TD or less it was what College Football was all about. We could have won all three of those games if just one play had gone our way or if the refs were not so blatantly bad but you felt like you had every chance to compete with them.




That's right! ECU and Southern Miss had great opportunities back in those days. That's why both programs mirror eachother.
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(08-02-2016 08:05 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  get real, before the BCS the G5 had no chance at a major bowl, and in most cases barely had any bowls. They have always been 2nd class citizens.
When UCF joined the Mac they had just gotten their 2nd bowl game. TV didn't want them, bowls didn't want them, and other than usually being a warm up game the big 6 didn't want them.

Not to diminish anything about Central Florida..but back then ECU and USM had a better reputation the UCF. And that's why UCF had only gotten their 2nd bowl game after joining the MAC. But I do know what you are talking about...
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(08-02-2016 08:05 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  get real, before the BCS the G5 had no chance at a major bowl, and in most cases barely had any bowls. They have always been 2nd class citizens.
When UCF joined the Mac they had just gotten their 2nd bowl game. TV didn't want them, bowls didn't want them, and other than usually being a warm up game the big 6 didn't want them.

Not to diminish anything about Central Florida..but back then ECU and USM had a better reputation the UCF. And that's why UCF had only gotten their 2nd bowl game after joining the MAC. But I do know what you are talking about...

There wasn't bowls for independent teams and the amount of bowls was a shorter list. We went 9-2 with Culpepper and didn't make a bowl. 1 of the losses was to Auburn in the last second.
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(08-03-2016 04:35 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-02-2016 08:05 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  get real, before the BCS the G5 had no chance at a major bowl, and in most cases barely had any bowls. They have always been 2nd class citizens.
When UCF joined the Mac they had just gotten their 2nd bowl game. TV didn't want them, bowls didn't want them, and other than usually being a warm up game the big 6 didn't want them.

Not to diminish anything about Central Florida..but back then ECU and USM had a better reputation the UCF. And that's why UCF had only gotten their 2nd bowl game after joining the MAC. But I do know what you are talking about...

There wasn't bowls for independent teams and the amount of bowls was a shorter list. We went 9-2 with Culpepper and didn't make a bowl. 1 of the losses was to Auburn in the last second.

You are right, wasn't many bowls for independent teams..joining a conference was far better than being independent.
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If the Big XII rumors are true, it is very important for ECU, UCF, South Florida, and Temple to create their game plan. Will Connecticut stay? Will Navy stay? How do we address the needs of SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane?
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(07-31-2016 10:19 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  "We could stay at 10 or we might go to 12 again. But we’re not gonna add schools just for the sake of adding schools.”

“Whatever happens, we’ll have most of our high-achieving teams still here,” Aresco says. “It’s been a good top-to-bottom league. … We’ll get right back to building up the league.”

Perhaps the worst part of this storm, from anyone’s perspective, is how the process is playing out in public. For that, like so much else, blame the Big 12, whose presidents set off this frenzy by announcing they had directed commissioner Bob Bowlsby to reach out to schools that had previously expressed interest.

Whatever else that meant — a reverse bidding process, as in how low would you go to get into the Big 12? — it set in motion plenty of preening by candidates.

In some cases, it has veered toward absurdity. See East Carolina, which has not been on most of those speculative candidate lists, but which has unleashed a Twitter barrage peddling its assets.

Did you know East Carolina “would be an excellent travel partner with West Virginia”? Or that the school’s average football attendance of 45,814 the past five years leads all Group of Five schools? Or that its donor base and annual donations were the largest in the American in the last school year? If you’ve seen Twitter, you know now.

Aresco is correct in his contention that, at least when it comes to football, the American has become the best Group of Five conference, surpassing the Mountain West in the past couple of years.

Last season alone, Houston beat Florida State in the Peach Bowl. Memphis beat Ole Miss. At one point, the league had four teams populating the College Football Playoff Top 25; for most of the season, it had three.

It’s for those reasons and more Aresco insists that at least when it comes to football, the gap between the American and the Power Five conferences is more perception than reality (although NCAA autonomy is a real thing that’s not going away, and the revenue gap between his league and those others is only going to grow.) But the best evidence might be the Big 12’s current focus.

Full article here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/columnist/george-schroeder/2016/07/31/aac-media-days-houston-memphis-uconn-cincinnati-big-12-expansion/87891480/

Translation: If we are getting gutted we will dilute the brand.
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(08-01-2016 03:04 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Just for the record,ECU is not the only school the article calld out for trying.

I dont give a flying **** how ECU handled it. They played the only cards they had. For all we know this could be the last train out.
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(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

All if this.... Or you could just be an ******* and troll ECU fans,
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(08-02-2016 09:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(08-02-2016 06:50 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 12:18 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.

It was fun to watch before ESPN/Fox etc.. and the age of the mega tv contracts. That is the reality we face and schools like ECU and Southern Miss could easily be middle of the pack in any P5 Conference if we had the same money they have and we would probably make more runs for the top of the league than a Vanderbilt, Kansas, California, Wake etc.. ever could because we are both Football crazy schools.
I remember watching Southern Miss back in the day and it was fun. ECU had classic match ups as well. That 83 season when we only lost to Miami(eventual National Champion) FSU and Florida all by a TD or less it was what College Football was all about. We could have won all three of those games if just one play had gone our way or if the refs were not so blatantly bad but you felt like you had every chance to compete with them.




The era of major southern independents. Great time for football. Better football was played then than today.

In 83 we played. Southern miss, ole miss, miss state, bama, unc, vatech, Louisville, cincy, tulane, vandy, arkstate.

Louisville, cincy, and vandy were considered easy wins. Ark state was the best team in d1-aa.

That 6-4-1 team was better than any team that ever played in the american or the big east after its first defections.

Those were good times. Goofball startups schools, made for tv wouldnt last a quarter against the schools back then.

I call bs on this one. In 2010 Cincinnati went 12-0-1 against Oregon St, Louisville, WVU, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Florida. All P5, 5 Top25, and sans Rutgers, all played in BCS Bowls. Otherwise agree about what ESPiN has done.
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Btw...UC climbed to #2 BCS and #3 AP that year...
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