(08-01-2016 07:39 AM)fanhood Wrote:  If it is two teams, it will be Houston and Cincinnati. The Big 12 has always been clear they want to expand east, and the Texas Legislature will not allow them to expand without Texas. That leaves Houston and Cincinnati as the winners.

Because they control Oklahoma and Kansas-based school's votes?

(07-31-2016 10:19 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  “Whatever happens, we’ll have most of our high-achieving teams still here,” Aresco says.

(08-01-2016 07:51 AM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:19 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  “Whatever happens, we’ll have most of our high-achieving teams still here,” Aresco says.

Well ECU basketball is staying. AAC for life.

(08-01-2016 07:39 AM)fanhood Wrote:  If it is two teams, it will be Houston and Cincinnati. The Big 12 has always been clear they want to expand east, and the Texas Legislature will not allow them to expand without Texas. That leaves Houston and Cincinnati as the winners.

So they add WVU and now it's clear they have always wanted to expand East?

(08-01-2016 04:32 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Nobody thinks that you guys are going to "dilute the brand". The Big 12 is going to do that for you. Anyone that thinks a conference can lose 2-4 of its top programs and not have its brand diluted is delusional.

What he means is- if we lose 1 or 2 teams (the most likely scenario) he will not run out and grab garbage teams from CUSA, Mac, or Sun Belt just to get back to 12 teams.

We will still have a very good conference with 10 teams even wo Cincy and Houston or whoever may go.

The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

(08-01-2016 04:32 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Nobody thinks that you guys are going to "dilute the brand". The Big 12 is going to do that for you. Anyone that thinks a conference can lose 2-4 of its top programs and not have its brand diluted is delusional.

Of course, but there's not reason to "dilute the brand" yourself by adding teams that don't make the conference better. Any potential addition needs to either make football considerably better, basketball considerably better, or be enough of a brand name to make the TV value better. If there's no one out there that fits that bill don't add schools at all or just add the fewest to get back to 10. For me I don't see any additions outside of MWC schools (which I don't think is possible) that will increase the football brand, a few non-FB schools would increase the basketball brand (Wichita/VCU), and Army would increase the TV value. So for me that's as far as I'd look unless the league loses 3 or more in which case it's just gonna suck for everyone here and who cares who you add.

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

(08-01-2016 08:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

Until they announce it it's only a belief from everyone involved.

(08-01-2016 07:51 AM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:19 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  “Whatever happens, we’ll have most of our high-achieving teams still here,” Aresco says.

I realize you're a high-riding Houston fan and that's well deserved, however the conference will not cease-to-be without you. Or UC for that matter. If we're talking just two, we'll be just fine. Four will be a different story IMO.

(08-01-2016 08:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

Until they announce it it's only a belief from everyone involved.

Of course, but I will buy the opinion of folks actually involved in the process before I will buy anybody in the media.

(08-01-2016 08:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

You are the one that posted the article saying Texas is leaning towards 2 schools and will not sign a GOR?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-785837.html

Time and time again it has been proven that as Texas goes, the Big 12 goes.

I think compromise leads to 2 schools added.

(08-01-2016 08:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

Until they announce it it's only a belief from everyone involved.

Of course, but I will buy the opinion of folks actually involved in the process before I will buy anybody in the media.

At the end of the day they all mean nothing until the B12 votes and announce it. As was proven with the whole we are expanding craziness. I understand your wanting as a Memphis fan to be 4
I will be happy when they announce it and we can all move on.

(08-01-2016 08:49 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The important part of Chip Brown's tweet is that Texas is not interested in extending GOR PAST 2025 and if the networks require that they will not support it.
The B12 looks to have an expiration date. Those not chosen will have to survive until that date.
Even if we lose 3 which now seems less likely you still have 9 good schools left it will be interesting to see if Aresco can follow thru and get the additions from AF,CSU and Army or we stay at 10

Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

You are the one that posted the article saying Texas is leaning towards 2 schools and will not sign a GOR?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-785837.html

Time and time again it has been proven that as Texas goes, the Big 12 goes.

I think compromise leads to 2 schools added.

Read that article again. It says 60-40 that they add 4. And he named the 4.

Quote: "One source put the odds of the B12 adding four at "60-40" over the possibility of adding two."

For the record, Chip has been wrong alot. He has LOTS of Texas information but he hasnt been right much about this whole expansion process. I like his Texas work but his Big 12 work hasnt always been on point.

I still tend to think they go to 14... but I think theres a good chance we only lose 2. (and it will be Cinci and Houston)

(08-01-2016 08:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:49 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Why does losing 3 seem less likely?

Because from Texas refusal to extend the GOR and the networks not happy at having to put the extra cash for 4 more teams without getting anything in return. I highly doubt they can agree past 2.
I see it more likely two and see what happens with networks etc then later come back for 2 more if they like it's not like the candidates are going somewhere else.

Okay, but none of that has actually happened yet, and is being reported by media people who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead.

Not to mention, Memphis admin believes 4 are getting in.

You are the one that posted the article saying Texas is leaning towards 2 schools and will not sign a GOR?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-785837.html

Time and time again it has been proven that as Texas goes, the Big 12 goes.

I think compromise leads to 2 schools added.

Read that article again. It says 60-40 that they add 4. And he named the 4.

Quote: "One source put the odds of the B12 adding four at "60-40" over the possibility of adding two."

Yes, "one source". That is not the "Texas officials" that is mentions is the next line.

Again, if Texas is not on board with 4 I don't see 4 happening.

Going back to the title of the thread and the value of the AAC.
If the league lost 3, then I could see the league either adding 1 like Army to go to 10, Army,AF and CSU to go to 12 or really go all out and reach out to
Air Force, Colorado State,Boise,UNLV,SDSU and go to 14 with the best of MWC and thus strengthening the league's stranglehold on the best after P5

But first we must wait for the B12 moves

(08-01-2016 05:51 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem with how ECU has handled this situation. The Big12 basically announced try outs for the expansion with the wording of their announcement. G5 Athletic Directors know the impact of missing the last few life rafts to the P5 and what a huge gap in finances that has created.
It was a good move by ECU to get actively and openly involved and even brought North Carolina politicians to our side for the first time in history. That alone was worth the effort because it wakes them up to the fact ECU has a multi billion dollar impact on the economy of our portion of the State with the University and Medical complex.
I have said repeatedly that if I was AD of ECU and looked at what was going on with the Big12 which is a big giant money grab for new tv money for adding schools they don't really want until 2024 when Texas and Oklahoma may lead a mass exodus, that I would offer to play in the Big 12 until 2024 for absolutely nothing.

The average fan might not grasp the frustration of ECU fans but the core demographic of ECU boosters, season ticket holders etc.. are very similar to me in that they grew up during the Independent Era of College Football watching ECU regularly play schools like Miami, Penn St, FSU, WVU, VT, UNC, NCST, Auburn, Syracuse, Pitt, UC, Memphis, Southern Miss, etc..etc.. We simply have always wanted one thing and that is to see ECU compete at the highest level. We have also watched the gap created by TV revenue expand to what was once not so great a difference to now being the equivalent of a semi pro team going up against a major league team full of Taj Mahal facilities and carefully crafted Academic programs designed to keep kids with the IQ of a tree stump academically eligible to play.

I think if any of us are honest, this is not what College sports was ever supposed to be. It was not supposed to turn into a multi billion dollar entertainment product ruled largely by the tv networks. It is a damn shame that the power brokers really want to reduce college sports down to about 65 to 85 schools period. I like watching a College Sports world where Coastal Carolina walks away from Omaha as National Champions or a George Mason makes it to the Final Four in Basketball

Well put ShoreBuc!! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm like you, I love seeing the underdog like a Coastal Carolina win the CWS. Or as you said a George Mason go to a Final Four. It's good for athletics when something like that happens. The money programs don't like it, and that's why they are trying to weed it out, period!

You mentioned you can remember the era of College Football when ECU played and competed with anyone...and there wasn't that big of a gap, but now it is. I say the same thing about Southern Miss. Football was fun and exciting when everyone was kinda on the same playing field (level) and the team with the better talent prevailed, not because of who they were. Southern Miss, ECU and Memphis along with several others kinda grew up together and now we are all getting branched off from one another.