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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
(07-21-2016 10:40 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
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(07-21-2016 10:28 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:22 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:09 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Its always been the narrative. Both Utah and TCU got where they are by EARNING it (like Houston).

And your point being???

I'm not positive, but I think his point is that Houston had a decent year in football and is therefore on the same level as TCU and Utah.

I mean, TCU only won 11+ games in 6 of their 7 seasons in the MWC. 03-shhhh

How many 13 win seasons did they have? Houston has had multiple in the past handful of years. Damn right that's earning it. Memphis has done nothing.

If anyone has earned it based on your lose definition - that would be Boise & maybe even ECU (over the long haul) and I feel pretty good neither one of them are getting an invite to the Big XII.
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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
(07-21-2016 10:28 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:22 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:09 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 09:20 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Legitimacy on field (I.e. Peach Bowl defending champions) doesn't hurt. That' primarily important in most minds.

I agree it doesn't hurt. But I disagree that it is a primary factor right now.

Its always been the narrative. Both Utah and TCU got where they are by EARNING it (like Houston).

And your point being???

I'm not positive, but I think his point is that Houston had a decent year in football and is therefore on the same level as TCU and Utah.

Nice try but no

UH has invested heavily in its facilities over the years, the interest level here in Houston for UH has grown impressively and believes present results mirror those of Utah and TCU.
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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
(07-21-2016 10:52 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:40 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:36 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:28 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:22 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  And your point being???

I'm not positive, but I think his point is that Houston had a decent year in football and is therefore on the same level as TCU and Utah.

I mean, TCU only won 11+ games in 6 of their 7 seasons in the MWC. 03-shhhh

How many 13 win seasons did they have? Houston has had multiple in the past handful of years. Damn right that's earning it. Memphis has done nothing.

If anyone has earned it based on your lose definition - that would be Boise & maybe even ECU (over the long haul) and I feel pretty good neither one of them are getting an invite to the Big XII.

Boise is a truck driving school. ECU just fired their coach.
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Officially I am not really sure Boise St. is a real college or just a place kids go to drink at in Idaho near a farm.... they were just lucky someone said lets make a football team from our drinking team.
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So classy BEH is dumping on Memphis
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(07-21-2016 10:28 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm not positive, but I think his point is that Houston had a decent year in football and is therefore on the same level as TCU and Utah.

For some of our delusional crowd maybe but I think a more accurate portrayal would be just Utah.

In the 10 years before Utah joined the P12 they were 92-32. In our previous 10 years we are 88-44 (by comparison TCU was 98-27).

What truly set Utah apart was its bowl record in that span. They went to 9 bowls in 10 years and finished 8-1. For disclosure during our last 10 years we have been to 8 bowls with an unimpressive 4-4 record (TCU went 7-2).

I can dig more into the metrics and of course regardless of if we go to the P5 in 2017 or not we still have this year to play in the AAC and the numbers could possibly come even closer.

Utah was good but TCU was on a whole other level.
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The Texas Governor has spoken


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Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston.
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(07-21-2016 10:48 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Where the teams stand now, competitively, is every bit as relevant. Bringing in the Peach Bowl Champions is a huge carrot. Don't kid yourselves. If a team faceplants out of the gate, that will be a disaster for the Big 12.

I am as big a fan as any other Coog but lets not pretend (as good as it was/is) that the Peach Bowl is on the same level as the Rose Bowl.

Yes yes they are both part of the existing playoff system but the Rose Bowl carries a lot more cache than the Peach Bowl.

We are clearly on the right path but let's not act like we are owed anything. That is exactly the kind of behavior that got us left out of the B12 in the first place.
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(07-21-2016 09:12 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
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Isn't anyone not in a P5 conference "interested"?

Meh...I could go either way...[/sarcasm]
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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
(07-21-2016 10:52 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:40 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:36 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:28 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:22 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  And your point being???

I'm not positive, but I think his point is that Houston had a decent year in football and is therefore on the same level as TCU and Utah.

I mean, TCU only won 11+ games in 6 of their 7 seasons in the MWC. 03-shhhh

How many 13 win seasons did they have? Houston has had multiple in the past handful of years. Damn right that's earning it. Memphis has done nothing.

If anyone has earned it based on your lose definition - that would be Boise & maybe even ECU (over the long haul) and I feel pretty good neither one of them are getting an invite to the Big XII.

Boise is not a Tier One Nation Research University. They will never be in the P5
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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
(07-21-2016 11:31 AM)panama Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:52 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
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nothing.

Boise is not a Tier One Nation Research University. They will never be in the P5

That is true, but some of their grads did stay at a Holiday inn last night.
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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
(07-21-2016 11:31 AM)panama Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:52 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:40 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:36 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:28 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'm not positive, but I think his point is that Houston had a decent year in football and is therefore on the same level as TCU and Utah.

I mean, TCU only won 11+ games in 6 of their 7 seasons in the MWC. 03-shhhh

How many 13 win seasons did they have? Houston has had multiple in the past handful of years. Damn right that's earning it. Memphis has done nothing.

If anyone has earned it based on your lose definition - that would be Boise & maybe even ECU (over the long haul) and I feel pretty good neither one of them are getting an invite to the Big XII.

Boise is not a Tier One Nation Research University. They will never be in the P5

I don't think Boise makes it, but you are fooling yourself if you don't think they are in the conversation. They are one of the ones that could be FB only.
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Money is all that matters in this IMO. The rest of the talk is window dressing.
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(07-21-2016 10:37 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 09:35 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Chip Brown used the word reactionary, someone alert the grammar police.

Dumb younglings

When I see your posts I don't see an internet troll but rather two really disappointed parents.
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RE: Great Talk About B12 Expanison from Chip Brown
The invites of Rutgers to the Big 10, Boston College to the ACC, Colorado to the PAC 12, examples abound of schools being invited for reasons other than earning it on the field. The Big 12 commissioner has been pretty clear that strength of football program at the current moment will have relatively little to do with it. If your school is doing well at this moment in time in football, naturally you want to believe with all your might that because of this you will get the invite. Sports media types also believe it ought to be this way, and therefore immediately apply it as their primary arbiter of who ought to be the leaders in this race. Football coaches and athletics administrators too.

Despite all of this noise, I think my Tulane Greenies have a great shot. Sports Illustrated's lead journalist reporting on this process agrees, as do others with close connections to Bowlsby, and others relatively close to the presidents of OU and UT (based on reports from sources at Tulane close to our leadership).

Relatively speaking, none of our programs has elevated to be a head and shoulders choice in football. Your school's academic profile, and its geographic distance (and associated travel cost for multiple sports) are going to be huge.

Academic profile is going to make things really tough for Memphis, regardless of FedEx support. As others have noted, they make it impossible for Boise St. to get in; this is the Big 12, not a desparate MWC we're talking about.

Geographic distance is going to make things really tough for UConn and BYU. Cincinnati would have the same problem, but West Virginia is likely lobbying hard for them and their geographic proximity. If they get in, I don't think there is any way UCF also gets in. They're not going to stretch the conference that far geographically. The Big 12 knows inviting W. Virginia was not a wise move, geographically it is a nightmare for them.

Colorado St. has a great shot, a natural replacement for Colorado / Nebraska for the northern Big 12 teams. Solid academics.

Houston checks all of the boxes that I think are really important, they are the best geographic fit, their academics are solid. They are a 5th Texas team, but if the conference goes to 14, I don't think it's as big a deal for there to be 5 Texas teams. Schools in Oklahoma and Kansas need the geographic proximity of Texas almost as much as the existing Texas schools.

Tulane is by far the most attractive candidate academically. It isn't close. Geographically it is a natural progression for the Big 12. The school has invested over $110m in facilities the past 3 years. The board, the president and the new AD are doing all the right things to demonstrate commitment to athletics. Our AD was the successor to Bowlsby at Northern Iowa, they couldn't have a closer relationship.

I think it winds up Cincinnati, Colorado St, Houston and Tulane. Just my opinion. The SEC didn't venture very far geographically, nor the ACC. There are reasons for that.
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(07-21-2016 09:20 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 09:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Brown is right about Houston. Texas is lukewarm to the idea of adding them, and the non-Texas schools don't want anything to do with adding another Texas school, but the Texas legislature is supposedly putting pressure on Texas to get Houston in. I think if they add 4, Houston could make it, with a push from Texas.

Legitimacy on field (I.e. Peach Bowl defending champions) doesn't hurt. That' primarily important in most minds.

Yeah Houston's program is on the rise with a bullet.

They've already been scoring great recruiting classes so its already too late to put the genie of Houston football back into the bottle.
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You forgot the beignets
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I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it ended up being Cinci and Houston. At this point anyone who says Houston isn't in, doesn't understand Big 13 and Texas politics. I can also see scenarios where BYU and one of the Florida schools gets football only.... Outside chance that Boise takes the other football only from Florida.... And from what I've heard, do not underestimate the academic draw for Tulane. They are actually in the discussions.
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(07-21-2016 12:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 10:37 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-21-2016 09:35 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Chip Brown used the word reactionary, someone alert the grammar police.

Dumb younglings

When I see your posts I don't see an internet troll but rather two really disappointed parents.

LOL that's funny...
+3 for making me laugh out loud this morning
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