I wanted to follow up on one of Frank's thoughts on the idea that G5 teams should have an objective of getting in and competing in the middle of the P5 pack, not at the bottom. So I set up the P5's in 5 Quintiles (65 teams altogether, with each Quintile having 13 teams.

The first attribute I am looking at is Total Revenue (which we know is heavily elastic with media revenue):

P5 Quintile Total Revenue from USA Today Data Base

Teams First, then Total Combined Revenue -- for each Quintile

1st Quintile: 13 teams

Texas A&M
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Penn State
Auburn
Wisconsin
Florida State

Total Revenue: $1,886,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $145.1m

2nd Quintile: 13 teams

Kentucky
Georgia
Arkansas
South Carolina
Minnesota
Michigan State
Iowa
Oregon
Louisville
Washington
Nebraska
UCLA
Oklahoma State

Total Revenue: $1,393,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $107.2m

3rd Quintile: 13 teams (This is the central quintile)

Maryland
Kansas
Virginia
Missouri
West Virginia
North Carolina
Indiana
Mississippi
Arizona
Illinois
California
Arizona State
Clemson

Total Revenue: $1,150,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $88.5m

4th Quintile: 13 teams

Virginia Tech
Texas Tech
Georgia Tech
North Carolina State
Purdue
Mississippi State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Rutgers
Colorado
Oregon State
Utah
Washington State

Total Revenue: $936,000,000.00
Average Revenue:$72.0m

NOTE: Connecticut is the first G5 school that would appear in this list. It fits between Iowa State and Rutgers. I don't list it above, here, because I am only listing P5's.

NOTE: When I got here I realized I did not have a listing for the 'privates', as they chose not to provide their data to USA Today.

So the quintile concept (for revenue comparison) breaks down. We only have quartiles, with 52 total teams listed in the 4 quartiles.

The missing P5 teams from the USA Today data base are:

Notre Dame
Duke
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Pittsburgh
Miami Fla
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
TCU
Baylor
USC (Southern California)
Stanford
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There are some other listings that include the privates. Notre Dame, Duke, Syracuse, TCU, USC and Stanford are all top half of their conferences. Baylor was right in the middle. So your public school list pretty well represents the quartiles of the complete P5.

I will try to find the privates listing.

You can search for the reported athletic spending of individual schools (private or public) in this database:

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

(06-17-2016 11:43 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  I wanted to follow up on one of Frank's thoughts on the idea that G5 teams should have an objective of getting in and competing in the middle of the P5 pack, not at the bottom. So I set up the P5's in 5 Quintiles (65 teams altogether, with each Quintile having 13 teams.

The first attribute I am looking at is Total Revenue (which we know is heavily elastic with media revenue):

P5 Quintile Total Revenue from USA Today Data Base

Teams First, then Total Combined Revenue -- for each Quintile

1st Quintile: 13 teams

Texas A&M
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Penn State
Auburn
Wisconsin
Florida State

Total Revenue: $1,886,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $145.1m

2nd Quintile: 13 teams

Kentucky
Georgia
Arkansas
South Carolina
Minnesota
Michigan State
Iowa
Oregon
Louisville
Washington
Nebraska
UCLA
Oklahoma State

Total Revenue: $1,393,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $107.2m

3rd Quintile: 13 teams (This is the central quintile)

Maryland
Kansas
Virginia
Missouri
West Virginia
North Carolina
Indiana
Mississippi
Arizona
Illinois
California
Arizona State
Clemson

Total Revenue: $1,150,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $88.5m

4th Quintile: 13 teams

Virginia Tech
Texas Tech
Georgia Tech
North Carolina State
Purdue
Mississippi State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Rutgers
Colorado
Oregon State
Utah
Washington State

Total Revenue: $936,000,000.00
Average Revenue:$72.0m

NOTE: Connecticut is the first G5 school that would appear in this list. It fits between Iowa State and Rutgers. I don't list it above, here, because I am only listing P5's.

NOTE: When I got here I realized I did not have a listing for the 'privates', as they chose not to provide their data to USA Today.

So the quintile concept (for revenue comparison) breaks down. We only have quartiles, with 52 total teams listed in the 4 quartiles.

The missing P5 teams from the USA Today data base are:

Notre Dame
Duke
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Pittsburgh
Miami Fla
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
TCU
Baylor
USC (Southern California)
Stanford

There are some other listings that include the privates. Notre Dame, Duke, Syracuse, TCU, USC and Stanford are all top half of their conferences. Baylor was right in the middle. So your public school list pretty well represents the quartiles of the complete P5.

I will try to find the privates listing.

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Rutgers right now is only in the 4th quartile because they aren't getting a full cut of the B1G money yet either. Once that kicks in, move them up at least 1 spot (maybe 2?) with the additional $20-25 million (at today's rates) they'll be getting.

(06-17-2016 12:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You can search for the reported athletic spending of individual schools (private or public) in this database:

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Thanks, Wedge.

Teams First, then Total Combined Revenue -- for each Quintile

1st Quintile: 13 teams

Texas A&M
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Penn State
Auburn
Wisconsin
Notre Dame

Total Revenue: $1,887,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $145.2m

2nd Quintile: 13 teams

Florida State
Kentucky
Georgia
Arkansas
South Carolina
Minnesota
Stanford
Michigan State
Baylor
Iowa
USC (Southern California)
Oregon
Louisville

Total Revenue: $1,438,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $110.6m

3rd Quintile: 13 teams (This is the central quintile)

Washington
Nebraska
UCLA
Oklahoma State
Maryland
Kansas
Duke
Virginia
Missouri
West Virginia
North Carolina
Indiana
Mississippi

Total Revenue: $1,212,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $93.2m

4th Quintile: 13 teams

Syracuse
Arizona
Illinois
California
Arizona State
Clemson
TCU
Virginia Tech
Texas Tech
Miami FL
Georgia Tech
North Carolina State
Purdue

Total Revenue: $1,061,000,000.00
Average Revenue: $81.6m

5th Quintile: 13 teams

Mississippi State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Vanderbilt
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Northwestern
Boston College
Colorado
Oregon State
Utah
Wake Forest
Washington State

Total Revenue: $884,000,000.00
Average Revenue:$68.0m

(06-17-2016 12:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You can search for the reported athletic spending of individual schools (private or public) in this database:

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

There's an article out there where somebody did that work, but I always have a hard time finding it when I go look for it. But then its only 13 additional schools if you are just looking at the P5.