You guys are going over board. The TV money can be made up in many ways that we should have been doing for years. When revenue goes down, you can cut expenses or find additional revenue.

Cuts are easy and most painful to a company. Additional revenue is hard but least painful. Instead of whining about what someone else has, come up with potential solutions.

Here are mine, starting with additional revenue:

1. Dump TV and allow schools to market locally. Schools could easily generate 200k by producing its own product and stream it for a fee. Sell the broadcast locally or nationally to TV stations.
2. Schedule games for highest attendance. No more 11am or weeknight games.
3. Sell alcohol at games, not just football.
4. Sponsorships from beer companies.
5. Focus more on BB to get 3 in the tournament each year.

As for cuts, here are mine:
1. Reduce the number of games for non revenue sports to reduce travel costs.
2. Drop expensive non-revenue sports and replace with with less expensive.
3. Cut or freeze non-revenue salaries.
4. No cost of scholarship cash payments for non-revenue sports.

We need for 2 or 4 teams to leave the conference. That would more than make up for the terrible TV contract.

(06-12-2016 08:49 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its more popular than ever, and the reason we got a crap contract is because of the teams we added and the teams we lost. I apologize, but no one cares about FAU, FIU, Charlotte, North Texas, etc, including their own fans and students, so you think you can pitch a team that has 500 fans show up, as a lucrative ad for tv partners? Good luck!

By your logic the teams that remained are at best worth ZERO dollars. Based on the scheduled released, I see ESPN picking home games at FIU, Rice, UTSA, Marshall & USM. Clearly ESPN DOES NOT view Marshall as a massive rating animal or they would have chosen ONLY Marshall home games for the limited number of games they selected. Do you know what this tells me? It tells me the $2.8M is not solely for Marshall content.

The conference is not attractive to ESPN. It is not the case that some schools in the conference are not attractive to ESPN and others are super attractive to ESPN. I never heard ESPN telling the SEC that "we would have paid a trillion dollars for you content but we had to reduce our offer because you have Vandy in the conference". If ESPN valued Marshall as much as you think the brand is worth, they would pay for that irrespective of the other members of the conference and pick only your content to broadcast.

So cut the BS about "other members" are to be blamed for the lowball contract, we all are responsible for this.

(06-12-2016 09:54 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  You guys are going over board. The TV money can be made up in many ways that we should have been doing for years. When revenue goes down, you can cut expenses or find additional revenue.

Cuts are easy and most painful to a company. Additional revenue is hard but least painful. Instead of whining about what someone else has, come up with potential solutions.

Here are mine, starting with additional revenue:

1. Dump TV and allow schools to market locally. Schools could easily generate 200k by producing its own product and stream it for a fee. Sell the broadcast locally or nationally to TV stations.
2. Schedule games for highest attendance. No more 11am or weeknight games.
3. Sell alcohol at games, not just football.
4. Sponsorships from beer companies.
5. Focus more on BB to get 3 in the tournament each year.

As for cuts, here are mine:
1. Reduce the number of games for non revenue sports to reduce travel costs.
2. Drop expensive non-revenue sports and replace with with less expensive.
3. Cut or freeze non-revenue salaries.
4. No cost of scholarship cash payments for non-revenue sports.

We need for 2 or 4 teams to leave the conference. That would more than make up for the terrible TV contract.

Sounds like Title IX would eat your lunch. Just find some more markets....LOL.

(06-12-2016 10:10 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:49 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its more popular than ever, and the reason we got a crap contract is because of the teams we added and the teams we lost. I apologize, but no one cares about FAU, FIU, Charlotte, North Texas, etc, including their own fans and students, so you think you can pitch a team that has 500 fans show up, as a lucrative ad for tv partners? Good luck!

By your logic the teams that remained are at best worth ZERO dollars. Based on the scheduled released, I see ESPN picking home games at FIU, Rice, UTSA, Marshall & USM. Clearly ESPN DOES NOT view Marshall as a massive rating animal or they would have chosen ONLY Marshall home games for the limited number of games they selected. Do you know what this tells me? It tells me the $2.8M is not solely for Marshall content.

The conference is not attractive to ESPN. It is not the case that some schools in the conference are not attractive to ESPN and others are super attractive to ESPN. I never heard ESPN telling the SEC that "we would have paid a trillion dollars for you content but we had to reduce our offer because you have Vandy in the conference". If ESPN valued Marshall as much as you think the brand is worth, they would pay for that irrespective of the other members of the conference and pick only your content to broadcast.

So cut the BS about "other members" are to be blamed for the lowball contract, we all are responsible for this.

Not sure why you are saying "we" unless you are speaking French.

When half of our schedule is filled with FCS quality teams, that actually lowers the value of our games as well.

ESPN made it known who they valued as they only picked 2 CUSA vs CUSA matchups.

La Tech/So Miss and WKU/Marshall.

(06-12-2016 12:13 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 10:10 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:49 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its more popular than ever, and the reason we got a crap contract is because of the teams we added and the teams we lost. I apologize, but no one cares about FAU, FIU, Charlotte, North Texas, etc, including their own fans and students, so you think you can pitch a team that has 500 fans show up, as a lucrative ad for tv partners? Good luck!

By your logic the teams that remained are at best worth ZERO dollars. Based on the scheduled released, I see ESPN picking home games at FIU, Rice, UTSA, Marshall & USM. Clearly ESPN DOES NOT view Marshall as a massive rating animal or they would have chosen ONLY Marshall home games for the limited number of games they selected. Do you know what this tells me? It tells me the $2.8M is not solely for Marshall content.

The conference is not attractive to ESPN. It is not the case that some schools in the conference are not attractive to ESPN and others are super attractive to ESPN. I never heard ESPN telling the SEC that "we would have paid a trillion dollars for you content but we had to reduce our offer because you have Vandy in the conference". If ESPN valued Marshall as much as you think the brand is worth, they would pay for that irrespective of the other members of the conference and pick only your content to broadcast.

So cut the BS about "other members" are to be blamed for the lowball contract, we all are responsible for this.

Not sure why you are saying "we" unless you are speaking French.

When half of our schedule is filled with FCS quality teams, that actually lowers the value of our games as well.

ESPN made it known who they valued as they only picked 2 CUSA vs CUSA matchups.

La Tech/So Miss and WKU/Marshall.

So ESPN does not value WKU at LaTech?
So ESPN does not value Marshall at USM?

Again, calling BS on your logic.

Clearly ESPN valued IU at FIU more than UL at Marshall or are you saying ESPN values IU more than UL?

(06-12-2016 12:13 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 10:10 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:49 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its more popular than ever, and the reason we got a crap contract is because of the teams we added and the teams we lost. I apologize, but no one cares about FAU, FIU, Charlotte, North Texas, etc, including their own fans and students, so you think you can pitch a team that has 500 fans show up, as a lucrative ad for tv partners? Good luck!

By your logic the teams that remained are at best worth ZERO dollars. Based on the scheduled released, I see ESPN picking home games at FIU, Rice, UTSA, Marshall & USM. Clearly ESPN DOES NOT view Marshall as a massive rating animal or they would have chosen ONLY Marshall home games for the limited number of games they selected. Do you know what this tells me? It tells me the $2.8M is not solely for Marshall content.

The conference is not attractive to ESPN. It is not the case that some schools in the conference are not attractive to ESPN and others are super attractive to ESPN. I never heard ESPN telling the SEC that "we would have paid a trillion dollars for you content but we had to reduce our offer because you have Vandy in the conference". If ESPN valued Marshall as much as you think the brand is worth, they would pay for that irrespective of the other members of the conference and pick only your content to broadcast.

So cut the BS about "other members" are to be blamed for the lowball contract, we all are responsible for this.

Not sure why you are saying "we" unless you are speaking French.

When half of our schedule is filled with FCS quality teams, that actually lowers the value of our games as well.

ESPN made it known who they valued as they only picked 2 CUSA vs CUSA matchups.

La Tech/So Miss and WKU/Marshall.

Looks like you're on a little ego trip. Be careful or your head is going to explode. ESPN picked those games because as of now they are expected to be the best games this year. If MT and FAU or UTSA and UNT were favored in their divisions, those would have been the picks. You have a good team. Enjoy it but don't start thinking that Marshall is picked just because it's Marshall.

I never said Marshall is the diamond in the rough here. The top 4 or 6 teams in CUSA are hauling the load, that was my point. The problem in your logic, i that maybe you started coming around to understand that my point is, you can't sell a TV partner that relies on ad money, here is what FIU/FAU for example, bring to the negotiating table "Hey, check it out, this team has 500 fans in that stadium every saturday, and dozens more watching on TV, you can defnitely get Nike to pay tens of millions for 30 seconds, and pay us millions". Where as Marshall for example, has nearly 30k in the stands and ratings on nationally televised games that are pretty decent. See the difference? Teams like La Tech, WKU, Marshall, USM, UTEP, ODU, MT have something to add to the negotiating table to make it easier to get a better deal. And is not ESPN that CUSA isn't attracrive to, its EVERYONE. This conference is crap, and even on field performance doesn't matter much. If FIU is 10-1, and increases fan interest 1000%, its still awful. We took schools in big markets, with the assumption that that helps us. TV partners laugh and say, your school may be in a good tv market, but no one in that market watches your team or cares. The onl rebuttal is "well, look at how many fans show up...." and they laugh and say "yeah, 500".

(06-12-2016 07:02 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:13 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 10:10 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:49 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its more popular than ever, and the reason we got a crap contract is because of the teams we added and the teams we lost. I apologize, but no one cares about FAU, FIU, Charlotte, North Texas, etc, including their own fans and students, so you think you can pitch a team that has 500 fans show up, as a lucrative ad for tv partners? Good luck!

By your logic the teams that remained are at best worth ZERO dollars. Based on the scheduled released, I see ESPN picking home games at FIU, Rice, UTSA, Marshall & USM. Clearly ESPN DOES NOT view Marshall as a massive rating animal or they would have chosen ONLY Marshall home games for the limited number of games they selected. Do you know what this tells me? It tells me the $2.8M is not solely for Marshall content.

The conference is not attractive to ESPN. It is not the case that some schools in the conference are not attractive to ESPN and others are super attractive to ESPN. I never heard ESPN telling the SEC that "we would have paid a trillion dollars for you content but we had to reduce our offer because you have Vandy in the conference". If ESPN valued Marshall as much as you think the brand is worth, they would pay for that irrespective of the other members of the conference and pick only your content to broadcast.

So cut the BS about "other members" are to be blamed for the lowball contract, we all are responsible for this.

Not sure why you are saying "we" unless you are speaking French.

When half of our schedule is filled with FCS quality teams, that actually lowers the value of our games as well.

ESPN made it known who they valued as they only picked 2 CUSA vs CUSA matchups.

La Tech/So Miss and WKU/Marshall.

Looks like you're on a little ego trip. Be careful or your head is going to explode. ESPN picked those games because as of now they are expected to be the best games this year. If MT and FAU or UTSA and UNT were favored in their divisions, those would have been the picks. You have a good team. Enjoy it but don't start thinking that Marshall is picked just because it's Marshall.

That was knock on UTEP, I assure you of that.

I have been using those 2 match ups for examples since the TV schedule was released. All these markets to choose from and ESPN chose to air 2 match ups consisting of the 4 smallest markets in the conference.

You are right, its because these teams are winning, which is the point. ESPN and others do not care about markets in the G5 world. They care about quality match ups.

Unfortunately, our conference is so watered down that half of the schedule is not considered a quality match up.

(06-12-2016 08:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  I never said Marshall is the diamond in the rough here. The top 4 or 6 teams in CUSA are hauling the load, that was my point. The problem in your logic, i that maybe you started coming around to understand that my point is, you can't sell a TV partner that relies on ad money, here is what FIU/FAU for example, bring to the negotiating table "Hey, check it out, this team has 500 fans in that stadium every saturday, and dozens more watching on TV, you can defnitely get Nike to pay tens of millions for 30 seconds, and pay us millions". Where as Marshall for example, has nearly 30k in the stands and ratings on nationally televised games that are pretty decent. See the difference? Teams like La Tech, WKU, Marshall, USM, UTEP, ODU, MT have something to add to the negotiating table to make it easier to get a better deal. And is not ESPN that CUSA isn't attracrive to, its EVERYONE. This conference is crap, and even on field performance doesn't matter much. If FIU is 10-1, and increases fan interest 1000%, its still awful. We took schools in big markets, with the assumption that that helps us. TV partners laugh and say, your school may be in a good tv market, but no one in that market watches your team or cares. The onl rebuttal is "well, look at how many fans show up...." and they laugh and say "yeah, 500".

For all that long winded write up, FIU will have as many home games on ESPN as the national champions Marshall. And home games are the ones that count for media deals.

(06-12-2016 10:55 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 08:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  I never said Marshall is the diamond in the rough here. The top 4 or 6 teams in CUSA are hauling the load, that was my point. The problem in your logic, i that maybe you started coming around to understand that my point is, you can't sell a TV partner that relies on ad money, here is what FIU/FAU for example, bring to the negotiating table "Hey, check it out, this team has 500 fans in that stadium every saturday, and dozens more watching on TV, you can defnitely get Nike to pay tens of millions for 30 seconds, and pay us millions". Where as Marshall for example, has nearly 30k in the stands and ratings on nationally televised games that are pretty decent. See the difference? Teams like La Tech, WKU, Marshall, USM, UTEP, ODU, MT have something to add to the negotiating table to make it easier to get a better deal. And is not ESPN that CUSA isn't attracrive to, its EVERYONE. This conference is crap, and even on field performance doesn't matter much. If FIU is 10-1, and increases fan interest 1000%, its still awful. We took schools in big markets, with the assumption that that helps us. TV partners laugh and say, your school may be in a good tv market, but no one in that market watches your team or cares. The onl rebuttal is "well, look at how many fans show up...." and they laugh and say "yeah, 500".

For all that long winded write up, FIU will have as many home games on ESPN as the national champions Marshall. And home games are the ones that count for media deals.

Is FIU going to pitch a separarte tent for the ESPN cameras and media?

Rather than rambling on like 14 year old girls, Marshall fans should be penning letters to their AD about how upset they are and how they should go independent immediately. As soon as the announcement comes out, I'm sure someone will approach them with a $15M-$20M TV contact.

(06-13-2016 08:46 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Rather than rambling on like 14 year old girls, Marshall fans should be penning letters to their AD about how upset they are and how they should go independent immediately. As soon as the announcement comes out, I'm sure someone will approach them with a $15M-$20M TV contact.

No but I bet a solid 9-10 team conference can get just as much money out of the TV deal. Only difference is the rest of us will not be forced to share our money with the likes of Charlotte and FIU

(06-13-2016 09:02 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 08:46 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Rather than rambling on like 14 year old girls, Marshall fans should be penning letters to their AD about how upset they are and how they should go independent immediately. As soon as the announcement comes out, I'm sure someone will approach them with a $15M-$20M TV contact.

No but I bet a solid 9-10 team conference can get just as much money out of the TV deal. Only difference is the rest of us will not be forced to share our money with the likes of Charlotte and FIU

lol, like you guys are Alabama or something. You sound just as bad as some ECU fans before they left.

(06-13-2016 09:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:02 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 08:46 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Rather than rambling on like 14 year old girls, Marshall fans should be penning letters to their AD about how upset they are and how they should go independent immediately. As soon as the announcement comes out, I'm sure someone will approach them with a $15M-$20M TV contact.

No but I bet a solid 9-10 team conference can get just as much money out of the TV deal. Only difference is the rest of us will not be forced to share our money with the likes of Charlotte and FIU

lol, like you guys are Alabama or something. You sound just as bad as some ECU fans before they left.

We are just approaching this from a different perspective than you. I know that you can't see what all the angst is about. From your perspective, I understand. No, we are not Alabama. We also aren't Charlotte.

Cognitive myopia appears to be rampant in Huntington, WVa. I wonder why?

(06-13-2016 09:14 AM)Artifice Wrote:  Cognitive myopia appears to be rampant in Huntington, WVa. I wonder why?

Okay...lol. Like you discussed before, kick us out. You don't need us....

(06-13-2016 09:11 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:02 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 08:46 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Rather than rambling on like 14 year old girls, Marshall fans should be penning letters to their AD about how upset they are and how they should go independent immediately. As soon as the announcement comes out, I'm sure someone will approach them with a $15M-$20M TV contact.

No but I bet a solid 9-10 team conference can get just as much money out of the TV deal. Only difference is the rest of us will not be forced to share our money with the likes of Charlotte and FIU

lol, like you guys are Alabama or something. You sound just as bad as some ECU fans before they left.

We are just approaching this from a different perspective than you. I know that you can't see what all the angst is about. From your perspective, I understand. No, we are not Alabama. We also aren't Charlotte.

No, we don't see things like Marsha. We've never been a member of the Southern Conference.

(06-13-2016 09:24 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:11 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:02 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 08:46 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Rather than rambling on like 14 year old girls, Marshall fans should be penning letters to their AD about how upset they are and how they should go independent immediately. As soon as the announcement comes out, I'm sure someone will approach them with a $15M-$20M TV contact.

No but I bet a solid 9-10 team conference can get just as much money out of the TV deal. Only difference is the rest of us will not be forced to share our money with the likes of Charlotte and FIU

lol, like you guys are Alabama or something. You sound just as bad as some ECU fans before they left.

We are just approaching this from a different perspective than you. I know that you can't see what all the angst is about. From your perspective, I understand. No, we are not Alabama. We also aren't Charlotte.

No, we don't see things like Marsha. We've never been a member of the Southern Conference.

And you've never been an FBS football team until last year, either. And you do realize that at one point WVU and UNC were in the Southern Conference. Furthermore, at least we were winning national championships in the Southern Conference. What is your point with that comment?

(06-10-2016 11:21 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  My preferred 12 team league

East

App State
UAB
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
Georgia Southern

West

Southern Miss
ULL
Tech
Ark St
Rice
USA

Rice may balk at this alignment because of academics but I like it.

There's no significant difference between the listed schools and current CUSA.

I still think Rice and UTEP are speaking with/begging MWC.

(06-13-2016 09:23 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:14 AM)Artifice Wrote:  Cognitive myopia appears to be rampant in Huntington, WVa. I wonder why?

Okay...lol. Like you discussed before, kick us out. You don't need us....

I discussed before?

Wait, you're projecting? Right?