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RE: FUTURE OF CUSA?
(06-10-2016 11:58 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 09:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  CUSA needs new and bold leadership. Today, we just don't have it with Judy MacLeod. She's a terrible leader. As long as Judy Mac is commissioner, we're simply postponing the inevitable. If we don't make a change in the commissioner role soon, we'll have no one to blame but ourselves. There's too much at stake to continue having a "PC appointee" in that position.

the problem is not MacLeod

I agree. Banowsky saw the writing on the wall. A outside firm handled the negotiations.
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(06-10-2016 11:40 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  [quote='blazer-J' pid='13323773' dateline='1465573862']




Not agreeing to be on Fox mid week is the only good thing so far to come out of this TV deal.

I agree 100%.

No way should we have accepted mid week games on Fox. Now, for the right money, I would be OK, with some Thursday night games for the conference.
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(06-10-2016 01:06 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:40 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  [quote='blazer-J' pid='13323773' dateline='1465573862']




Not agreeing to be on Fox mid week is the only good thing so far to come out of this TV deal.

I agree 100%.

No way should we have accepted mid week games on Fox. Now, for the right money, I would be OK, with some Thursday night games for the conference.

I still would have preferred to sign with ESPN for exposure. I think we woud have gotten a better deal from them, if Fox had put in a bid. I would not be opposed to mid-week games on ESPN. No to mid-week games on Fox.
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Mid-week games are terrible, while you get exposure your stadium is empty so even if people are watching you they're getting a negative impression of the program. Everything has a price, but it would have to be an almost exponential increase before I would want to see us on Tuesday/Wednesday.
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I posted this on the ODU forum. I might as well jump into the deep water and post it here also.

I know there are a number of folks here that are pretty unhappy with our current conference membership, for a variety of reasons, primary of which would appear to be the geographical size of the conference. With teams from El Paso to Norfolk, travel distance, time and cost can be excessive, and there seems to be little chance of developing meaningful rivalries.

Despite what this post might indicate, I am not personally that unhappy. That said, in the current environment of greatly reduced television revenues, it seems to me that one of the most critical reasons for joining a conference as widespread as C-USA has been lost. As a result, maybe it is time for some airport meetings and consideration of the creation of a new conference

My basic thoughts would be to create a conference with (1) established or emerging football prowess and fan bases, (2) an established group of competitive basketball teams that can drive multiple NCAA bids each year, (3) a more closely defined region to encourage existing or more natural new and lasting rivalries, and (4) a reasonable cap on travel distance, time and costs. This conference would have 12 teams and two divisions, split east/west. My first thought would be to call this The Southern 12.

The Southern 12

East Division

ODU
Marshall
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia Southern
Georgia State

West Division

Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
USM
LA TECH
ASU

Of course, one of the first considerations would be the cost of leaving C-USA. Below is an excerpt from the conference bylaws outlining the impact of withdrawing from the conference. As I read it, the cost is not a fixed fee. Rather it would be based on revenue lost to the conference. With our new television contracts, there may never be a more opportune time to leave based on financial impact.

EXCERPT FROM BYLAWS

3.06 Withdrawal From Conference. No member of the Conference may withdraw from the Conference except pursuant to and as allowed by this Section 3.06.

No member may withdraw from the Conference without providing the Conference prior written notice. Any and all withdrawals from the Conference shall be effective on July 1 of the year specified in the notice of withdrawal; provided, however, that the withdrawing member must afford the Conference notice at least fourteen months prior to the effective date of the withdrawal (i.e. no later than May 1 of the prior year). However, if a Member makes statements or takes actions that evidence intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future, such actions will be determined as notice of withdrawal by a three-fourths (3/4) vote of the remaining Members of the Board of Directors. In the event that a member attempts to leave the Conference without fully complying with the notice of withdrawal requirements set forth above, the Conference shall be entitled to equitable relief without having to prove actual injury, irreparable or otherwise, including, but not limited to, an injunction requiring the member to comply fully with the notice of withdrawal requirements set forth above, to fulfill all of its obligations as a Conference member, and to remain in the Conference until the earliest permissible date upon which the member could have, under the circumstances, withdrawn with full and proper prior notice as required above. The members agree that any attempted withdrawal of a member without full compliance with the prior notice requirements set forth above would cause a disruption in the scheduling of competitions among the members for which there is no adequate remedy at law which would cause harm that would not in any respect be compensated by payment of a withdrawal fee, and for which, therefore, equitable relief is appropriate.

The withdrawing member shall be responsible for the amount of any and all assessments or debts that the member owes to the Conference as of the effective date of the withdrawal.

From the date of notice of withdrawal, the withdrawing member shall have no rights to receive distribution of Conference revenues of any nature (i.e. the Conference shall be entitled to retain distribution for two fiscal years) and shall continue to be obligated to pay Conference expenses, assessments, or debts. Further, the term of office of any Board Member representing a Withdrawing Member shall automatically expire and such Chief Executive Officer shall no longer be a Board Member of the Conference effective as of the notice date or determination of notice to withdraw and such Withdrawing Member shall not be entitled to have a representative on the Board of Directors thereafter. During the period thereafter the number of Board Members shall automatically be reduced by the number of Withdrawing Members; and the Withdrawing Member(s) shall not be permitted to attend any meeting of, vote on any matter before, receive notice of any meeting of, or receive copies of materials distributed to the Board of Directors; the Conference shall however, inform the Chief Executive Officer of a Withdrawing Member about matters (as determined by the Commissioner in his sole discretion) that may materially impact the Withdrawing Member during the period prior to the effective date of the withdrawal in a manner disproportionate to the Withdrawing Member and shall provide the Chief Executive Officer of the Withdrawing Member with a reasonable opportunity for discussion with the Board of Directors on such issues as requested

Each of the Members agrees that withdrawal of a member from the Conference would cause damage and financial hardship to the
Conference and its continuing members, that the financial consequences to the Conference and its continuing members of such withdrawal cannot be measured or estimated with certainty at this time, and that the withholding of distributions pursuant to the preceding paragraph is a reasonable method of compensating the Conference and the continuing members for such damage and financial hardship and is not and shall not be construed as a penalty.

END EXCERPT

Your thoughts?
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(06-10-2016 01:41 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  The Southern 12

East Division

ODU
Marshall
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia Southern
Georgia State

West Division

Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
USM
LA TECH
ASU

Replace Ga State with FAU and sign me up!
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12 teams is too many. 10 is the max
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For football looks ok, but basketball would still be an issue...Those 4 teams added from Sun Belt bring nothing to the table for basketball..
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C-USA East adds GaSo, AppSt, & GaSt bridging to Florida.
C-USA West adds ArkSt, USA, & ULL.

Both spin off as separate 10-team conferences.

SBC dissolved. Troy, TxSt, ULM & Coastal relegated.
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(06-10-2016 02:08 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  For football looks ok, but basketball would still be an issue...Those 4 teams added from Sun Belt bring nothing to the table for basketball..

Agreed. Why not just keep all CUSA, add a FLA school or both, and call it a day?
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(06-10-2016 01:55 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 01:41 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  The Southern 12

East Division

ODU
Marshall
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Georgia Southern
Georgia State

West Division

Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
USM
LA TECH
ASU

Replace Ga State with FAU and sign me up!

So, we're left with:

UTEP
NMSU
Texas St.
UL-Monroe
UL-Lafayette
Troy
FAU
FIU
UNT
Rice
UTSA

Yeah......no.
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(06-10-2016 02:08 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  For football looks ok, but basketball would still be an issue...Those 4 teams added from Sun Belt bring nothing to the table for basketball..

One bid is one bid.
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(06-10-2016 02:10 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  C-USA East adds GaSo, AppSt, & GaSt bridging to Florida.
C-USA West adds ArkSt, USA, & ULL.

Both spin off as separate 10-team conferences.

SBC dissolved. Troy, TxSt, ULM & Coastal relegated.

I would be perfectly cool with that as well.
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(06-10-2016 02:10 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  C-USA East adds GaSo, AppSt, & GaSt bridging to Florida.
C-USA West adds ArkSt, USA, & ULL.

Both spin off as separate 10-team conferences.

SBC dissolved. Troy, TxSt, ULM & Coastal relegated.

That's the problem. This can't force someone out of a conference home. And FAU and FIU have to land somewhere. They were not annexed into the ODU fan East members, and they make no sense in a Texas-centric West line-up.
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This is my preferred 10 team conference that will never happen. Everyone else is doing it...

ODU
Marshall
WKU
MT
UAB
FAU
USM
South Alabama
La Tech
Cajuns

Football, basketball, baseball. It has it all. If we had to had 12, add Ohio and App St.
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(06-10-2016 02:39 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 02:08 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  For football looks ok, but basketball would still be an issue...Those 4 teams added from Sun Belt bring nothing to the table for basketball..

One bid is one bid.

I know you are from Marshall, so you don't understand "at-large" tourney bids 03-nutkick----however, there are some schools that have gotten lots of them in the past and have hopes of more in the near future.
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(06-10-2016 03:23 PM)MTowho Wrote:  This is my preferred 10 team conference that will never happen. Everyone else is doing it...

ODU
Marshall
WKU
MT
UAB
FAU
USM
South Alabama
La Tech
Rice

Football, basketball, baseball. It has it all. If we had to had 12, add Ohio and App St.

Fixed. (looks good)
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since we are throwing out crazy ideas for conferences, here me out on this idea i had...

a super conference conglomerate..and not just c-usa & sunblet but the best 10 western fcs teams, in a new west fbs conference (ndst, montana, sam houston, etc.)
and before people start attacking, notice i said conglomerate, its not one conference but a union alliance of 3 conference

ill say this now, c-usa & sunbelt have little chance of thriving in the current system, instead of scrapping at the bottom in order to succeed you have to go innovative and make a new system to create value

the conglomerate will be more of super scheduling alliance to strengthen schedules and drawn tv interest in just football/mens & womens bball (completely separate leagues for non revenue sports)

this is how it would work, for the first half of the season you are basically 3 different separate conferences but mid-season for basketball the conferences will be divided into groups, group A=ncaa bubble teams with good rpi..group B= decent teams trying to build themselves, group c= rpi dead weights, and then have members of each group play each other ...group A will get great RPI games and increase their chances of becoming an atlarge before returning to their 3 separate conferences for the conference tourney

similar with Football, but since autobids dont exist in football you should have a conglomerate championship tournament in football. the top 6 or 8 teams from the 35 team union squareoff in a tournament for a super championship with teams from all corners of the country.. the winner will have a better shot at the access than now, harder end of the year SOS, and i bet you could sell a P5 to put a decent team in a bowl for super champion if not the access, it would also be a good tv draw

obvious things that might be flawed. my response;
"but we'd have to split the pie 35 ways"...the majority of games will still be separate for all 3 conferences, so youd still technically have 3 separately negotiated deals for most of the season....
secondly you combined make less than 4.5 mil a year, reference point; Boise makes 6mil for 6 games with espn.. the rights for the group A bball games and the super tournament alone likely exceeds the combined money you guys make now. not even including the sponsorship potential

i think its an innovative way to create interest an buzz in the league..your good teams will have less dead weight games..increased money for all...and its a creative way to get c-usa out of the bubble
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The thing that will make the difference the most moving forward is fan support. If your school draws flies to football and basketball games even during winning seasons then your athletic department will notice the reduction in tv money. If your school has decent fan support, the tv money is still going to suck but at least you have revenue coming from your fans and from the local community in sponsors, media interest, etc.
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(06-10-2016 03:24 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 02:39 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 02:08 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  For football looks ok, but basketball would still be an issue...Those 4 teams added from Sun Belt bring nothing to the table for basketball..

One bid is one bid.

I know you are from Marshall, so you don't understand "at-large" tourney bids 03-nutkick----however, there are some schools that have gotten lots of them in the past and have hopes of more in the near future.



I understand that Charlotte was brought in because of basketball and the mythical at large bid. We see how that has went so far 03-nutkick

So until it happens....we are a one bid league.
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