(06-07-2016 03:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 03:24 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 02:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

You and others jacks and bizons have been trolling the boards hard, including UND's own, to rebuke this WAC outrage. Two years ago you and others accused me of insanity. Now it is only for laughs and giggles.

The FBS world will just pass by the XDSU's if you don't have at least some humility.

NoDak.... rich. just rich. Humility is not required on this message board and whether the haters have it or not will have no bearing on what happens in the future.

Stop pretending like you have some influence over what happens (well outside of the dreams inside your head).

You bizon and jack fans somehow think that bashing me and my posts will stop UND from going FBS. It's like how you guys always trivialize and denigrate hockey, but UND is making a fortune off of it.

I obviously don't have influence, but I said all the signs for an FBS move were on years ago. You guys blasted me as delirious and insane.

It's safe to say that this will go one of two ways.

Either you will be right and if that were to happen, us Bison and Jack fans will happily say you were right.

If you however are wrong, our request is that you do not make excuses but instead own up to the fact that you were pulling it all out of your ass.

Until either of those things happen you will forever be criticized and you have every right to defend your position. Just make sure to put on your thick skin when you come here.

(06-07-2016 03:46 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 03:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 03:24 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 02:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

You and others jacks and bizons have been trolling the boards hard, including UND's own, to rebuke this WAC outrage. Two years ago you and others accused me of insanity. Now it is only for laughs and giggles.

The FBS world will just pass by the XDSU's if you don't have at least some humility.

NoDak.... rich. just rich. Humility is not required on this message board and whether the haters have it or not will have no bearing on what happens in the future.

Stop pretending like you have some influence over what happens (well outside of the dreams inside your head).

You bizon and jack fans somehow think that bashing me and my posts will stop UND from going FBS. It's like how you guys always trivialize and denigrate hockey, but UND is making a fortune off of it.

I obviously don't have influence, but I said all the signs for an FBS move were on years ago. You guys blasted me as delirious and insane.

It's safe to say that this will go one of two ways.

Either you will be right and if that were to happen, us Bison and Jack fans will happily say you were right.

If you however are wrong, our request is that you do not make excuses but instead own up to the fact that you were pulling it all out of your ass.

Until either of those things happen you will forever be criticized and you have every right to defend your position. Just make sure to put on your thick skin when you come here.

When I stated for years that UND was going to the Big Sky, somehow that was a huge joke and laugh on bizon and jack boards. When it happened, bizon and jack fans still mocked my insights. Nothing will change in this instance.

Bizon and jacks insisted UND wouldn't even go DI. They know nothing about setting up their school strategically.

Yes, we know nothing of conference affiliation strategy. Primarily because we do not work for the athletic departments. We are not part of any conversations or privy to any insider information.

All of these things are true of us.... and of you too! The difference between us is that we don't claim our fantasies as being factual. Your prophecies never seem to come true and yet you will not stop evangelism of your WACult.

(06-07-2016 04:00 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  Yes, we know nothing of conference affiliation strategy. Primarily because we do not work for the athletic departments. We are not part of any conversations or privy to any insider information.

All of these things are true of us.... and of you too! The difference between us is that we don't claim our fantasies as being factual. Your prophecies never seem to come true and yet you will not stop evangelism of your WACult.

The difference is that I have talked with administrators at other schools removed from the situation and people who have started bowls. College administrators have strategic plans that aren't privy to the public and are very conservative when speaking on the record. You guys won't acknowledge that.

The main eight schools that are mentioned have lower athletic subsidies.

They have an average attendance higher than the MAC and probably even with CUSA and SBC real attendance.

All are nationally ranked and in conferences with some crapy programs. So maybe there is a desire to form a better conference.

Take a school like PSU they have every advantage on a school like Boise . Bigger school better academics twice as big of a Metro area. Only downside no history and two in state P5 two hours away. So if Georgia St can be the fourth team in Atlanta why can't Portland St build a fan base. Georgia St averaged five thousand a game according to the Georgia dome turnstile count year one of FBS.

I DON'T THINK it will happen but it should be allowed to happen.

(06-07-2016 03:41 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

Nice to see an SDSU fan here. I've enjoyed our basketball games lately. What's the general attitude of your fanbase toward your football future? I know very little about you guys and I'm curious.

I have my doubts we leave FCS anytime soon. We are finishing up a new 20,000 outdoor stadium which does move us towards being able to move up. The new facility opens this year. Was it built to move up? No, it was built because we needed a new stadium.

We have a very progressive/smart AD has made some very smart moves since the move up to D1. Our relationship with NDSU is tight and has stayed that way since the two schools chose to go it alone and move to D1. My guess, we wait and see what shakes out in the next couple years before making a decision. I do know our AD and administration are on record saying a WAC FBS is NOT in our future.

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

It was his father's side.

xDSU AD's (particularly the former NDSU AD) are of the thinking that a big shake-up in DI is coming that regroups the lower half of G5 with the upper half of FCS in a football sub-division. So they're waiting for that.

(06-07-2016 03:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 03:24 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 02:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

You and others jacks and bizons have been trolling the boards hard, including UND's own, to rebuke this WAC outrage. Two years ago you and others accused me of insanity. Now it is only for laughs and giggles.

The FBS world will just pass by the XDSU's if you don't have at least some humility.

NoDak.... rich. just rich. Humility is not required on this message board and whether the haters have it or not will have no bearing on what happens in the future.

Stop pretending like you have some influence over what happens (well outside of the dreams inside your head).

You bizon and jack fans somehow think that bashing me and my posts will stop UND from going FBS. It's like how you guys always trivialize and denigrate hockey, but UND is making a fortune off of it.

I obviously don't have influence, but I said all the signs for an FBS move were on years ago. You guys blasted me as delirious and insane. But now you want of piece of that rich pie.

It is just too easy. Your theories are normally based on snippets of conversations on message boards, taken out of context and made to fit your latest attempt at denigrating NDSU. The reality is that UND may very well go FBS in a new WAC. However, if they do it will likely be alone since there is absolutely no indication that SDSU, NDSU, USD, Montana, Montana State will follow. All these schools seem willing to wait things out. Change will come to FBS and FCS in time. Making a rash move now would be absolutely silly.

And your rants are delirious and insane and no, we don't want a piece of the rich pie. Both SDSU and NDSU are doing just fine athletically.

(06-06-2016 08:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Interesting that Learfield Sports just acquired SME, which is developing UND's new Fighting Hawk logo. Learfield now has a relationship with the Big Sky, Idaho, EWU, Montana, Montana St, Sac St, Cal Poly, UND, USD, and NMSU.

Interesting that Learfield listed SME's clients as the Kentucky Derby, Atlanta Braves, the ACC, the New York Yankees, the NHL, the Louisville Cardinals, Miami Marlins, the PAC12 and UND on the press release.

Learfield is putting together a big portfolio. Primary reason? Make money. (Duh.) But what does anyone who makes money want to do next? Make more money. (Duh.)

Don't be surprised if Learfield is very supportive of their clients making investments that turn around to make even more money for Learfield.

It's funny -- fans of successful FCS programs are convinced that the FBS is going to break up and the G5 is going to merge with them. G5 fans are convinced that the gap between them and FCS is only getting wider.

I'm an Idaho fan, so naturally I have no idea. But if I had to guess I'd say the G5 people are more likely to be right. FBS rules keep changing to make it harder to move up. The P5s seem happy to throw enough scraps at the G5 conferences to keep everyone relatively content with their places in the FBS world.

Maybe the money bubble is bursting, which will put pressure on the G5 schools to cut costs. But it's also likely everyone will find new ways to monetize their content. There are a lot of cordcutters out there but plenty of eyeballs are still watching college football in one way or another.

(06-07-2016 05:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  It's funny -- fans of successful FCS programs are convinced that the FBS is going to break up and the G5 is going to merge with them. G5 fans are convinced that the gap between them and FCS is only getting wider.

I'm an Idaho fan, so naturally I have no idea. But if I had to guess I'd say the G5 people are more likely to be right. FBS rules keep changing to make it harder to move up. The P5s seem happy to throw enough scraps at the G5 conferences to keep everyone relatively content with their places in the FBS world.

Maybe the money bubble is bursting, which will put pressure on the G5 schools to cut costs. But it's also likely everyone will find new ways to monetize their content. There are a lot of cordcutters out there but plenty of eyeballs are still watching college football in one way or another.

XDSU's do think that the upper FCS and G5 will merge into a separate classification. Then later the XDSU's will get Big12 invites. It's common knowledge on their message boards. Their beauty is just too much to resist..

The AAC and half of the MWC is clearly above the top halves of the MVFC or Big Sky.
The other three and a half conferences are about the same with a few exceptions.
Montana and NDSU could be the best athletic programs on average in these conferences.

What might happen is all these teams play on ESPN3 and get treated like FCS anyway .
The CFP is great and all but not guaranteed to last forever.
It is likely it comes close to covering new cost like FCOA and other changes but falls short.
I go to Coastal games some times fans are excited about moving up.
They also have no idea who is in the Sun Belt for the most part.
I used to live in Michigan no one cares about the MAC schools .
There are exceptions but my guess is over time there will be less of them .
Sucks but the next step could be cutting out the G5 from the CFP instead of a split.
It is not part of the NCAA and the G5 welfare money won't be necessary .

(06-07-2016 11:26 PM)MJG Wrote:  The AAC and half of the MWC is clearly above the top halves of the MVFC or Big Sky.
The other three and a half conferences are about the same with a few exceptions.
Montana and NDSU could be the best athletic programs on average in these conferences.

What might happen is all these teams play on ESPN3 and get treated like FCS anyway .
The CFP is great and all but not guaranteed to last forever.
It is likely it comes close to covering new cost like FCOA and other changes but falls short.
I go to Coastal games some times fans are excited about moving up.
They also have no idea who is in the Sun Belt for the most part.
I used to live in Michigan no one cares about the MAC schools .
There are exceptions but my guess is over time there will be less of them .
Sucks but the next step could be cutting out the G5 from the CFP instead of a split.
It is not part of the NCAA and the G5 welfare money won't be necessary .

Tops Big Sky and MVFC:
Montana
Montana State
Eastern Washington
Northern Arizona
North Dakota State
Illinois State
Youngstown State
South Dakota State

Others that could be considered best and should be part of G5?
James Madison
Delaware
William & Mary
Towson
New Hampshire
Sam Houston State
Lamar (getting there)
McNeese State
Central Arkansas
Jacksonville State
Villanova
Chattanooga
Eastern Kentucky
Eastern Illinois


Some could be as good in the AAC/MWC which they play that well while others could fit into the MAC, C-USA and Sun Belt. Moving schools up could help fill in bowl games. There is still a push to have a Bowl game at Little Rock. The new conferences don't have to be part of the playoff money until the next contract, but they are not blocked from going to bowl games during that time.

Which team would you like to see in a bowl game? A 11-0 North Dakota State or a 5-7 San Jose State? There is money to be gain if you get NDSU in the bowl game than San Jose State.

Latah,

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the excuses used by Staben to calm down angry boosters was to say something like "Guys! We're gonna be right back where we were in 10 years! Just watch, there's a huge re-org coming in NCAA DI football..."

In my opinion, that way of thinking is absolutely a mistake. I think the P5 love where they're at now. They're not being "too greedy", still throwing some dough at the G5 to keep them content.

(06-08-2016 08:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Latah,

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the excuses used by Staben to calm down angry boosters was to say something like "Guys! We're gonna be right back where we were in 10 years! Just watch, there's a huge re-org coming in NCAA DI football..."

In my opinion, that way of thinking is absolutely a mistake. I think the P5 love where they're at now. They're not being "too greedy", still throwing some dough at the G5 to keep them content.

That's my read too. People keep talking about the P5 breaking off from everyone else but that's a radical step with potential negative implications for other sports (March Madness $$$) and it doesn't cost very much to keep the G5 happy.

Plus, it's in keeping with Idaho's 75-year tradition of making the worst possible athletics decision at every turn. So there's that.

(06-08-2016 11:01 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 08:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Latah,

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the excuses used by Staben to calm down angry boosters was to say something like "Guys! We're gonna be right back where we were in 10 years! Just watch, there's a huge re-org coming in NCAA DI football..."

In my opinion, that way of thinking is absolutely a mistake. I think the P5 love where they're at now. They're not being "too greedy", still throwing some dough at the G5 to keep them content.

That's my read too. People keep talking about the P5 breaking off from everyone else but that's a radical step with potential negative implications for other sports (March Madness $$$) and it doesn't cost very much to keep the G5 happy.

Plus, it's in keeping with Idaho's 75-year tradition of making the worst possible athletics decision at every turn. So there's that.

It could hurt the Frozen Four and both men's and women's LAX. They have a mixed of D2 and D3 schools playing in those sports. I do see some D2 make the move up as well because of some of these sports that not all P5 schools offer.

(06-07-2016 11:26 PM)MJG Wrote:  The AAC and half of the MWC is clearly above the top halves of the MVFC or Big Sky.
The other three and a half conferences are about the same with a few exceptions.
Montana and NDSU could be the best athletic programs on average in these conferences.

What might happen is all these teams play on ESPN3 and get treated like FCS anyway .
The CFP is great and all but not guaranteed to last forever.
It is likely it comes close to covering new cost like FCOA and other changes but falls short.
I go to Coastal games some times fans are excited about moving up.
They also have no idea who is in the Sun Belt for the most part.
I used to live in Michigan no one cares about the MAC schools .
There are exceptions but my guess is over time there will be less of them .
Sucks but the next step could be cutting out the G5 from the CFP instead of a split.
It is not part of the NCAA and the G5 welfare money won't be necessary .

If you were talking about only Eastern for everything but Track, you would have a case. People care in that state

(06-07-2016 05:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  It's funny -- fans of successful FCS programs are convinced that the FBS is going to break up and the G5 is going to merge with them. G5 fans are convinced that the gap between them and FCS is only getting wider.

I'm an Idaho fan, so naturally I have no idea. But if I had to guess I'd say the G5 people are more likely to be right. FBS rules keep changing to make it harder to move up. The P5s seem happy to throw enough scraps at the G5 conferences to keep everyone relatively content with their places in the FBS world.

Maybe the money bubble is bursting, which will put pressure on the G5 schools to cut costs. But it's also likely everyone will find new ways to monetize their content. There are a lot of cordcutters out there but plenty of eyeballs are still watching college football in one way or another.

No one knows what will occur but the reality is that there isn't a lot of money playing lower level FBS or any level FCS.

Both SDSU and NDSU have not been D1 long. Both schools have come a long way, spent a lot of money and are growing their reputation, facilities, budgets. Both schools have had success unlike the later move up schools from the region (see UND) and both athletic departments are on the rise. However, I don't believe for a second either athletic department are going to irrationally jump to a FBS/WAC. I doubt either school sees it as being necessary right now.

(06-08-2016 12:26 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  No one knows what will occur but the reality is that there isn't a lot of money playing lower level FBS or any level FCS.

Both SDSU and NDSU have not been D1 long. Both schools have come a long way, spent a lot of money and are growing their reputation, facilities, budgets. Both schools have had success unlike the later move up schools from the region (see UND) and both athletic departments are on the rise. However, I don't believe for a second either athletic department are going to irrationally jump to a FBS/WAC. I doubt either school sees it as being necessary right now.

Makes sense to me. Seems likely you guys have been in FCS a short enough time to still be in a honeymoon period with it. As an Idaho fan I wish you were more impatient but I get where you're coming from.