He said he would give them $35,000/yr. for 30 years if they started up football again.

Actually, is there any real reason to rush this? Having Idaho transition to FCS will obviously make things harder, but as long as the WAC exists, and New Mexico State doesn't have a conference, the only real deadline would be the negotiations for the next CFP contract (i.e., the one in effect beyond January 2026). New Mexico State will still have a pre-fabricated schedule for whatever the second transition year for the 7 or more schools winds up being (UNM, UTEP, FCS, P5, G5, WAC x7). The transitioning WAC schools would just be limited to 5 games each against each other, which may not be a full round-robin - and that's only for one year, and only if they all move on the same timeline.

(06-04-2016 09:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 09:02 PM)billings Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:10 PM)billings Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 03:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Montana State enrollment has been very strong and is growing. Cruzado will continue that push. NMSU's and Idaho's problems have been competing with much bigger schools and much bigger media markets. They have been dying to get like schools to compete against them in western markets.

UND doesn't care much about Chicagoland, but the Minneapolis and Wisconsin markets are crucial. We are Minnesota's most hated rival in the Twin Cities, granted in hockey, and our presence could land a Fox Sports North contract there.

She will continue the push to keep growing but she has no interest in FBS for MSU and U montana is flat broke and slashing programs left and right. Utter fantasy to think they can 1. go FBS or 2. one goes without the other. The big boosters up here are not interested in funding an FBS program

Montana State-Billings got a billionaire who donated 1 million dollars to the school to restart their football program. Who says there are more of them in Montana who would donate the money to both Montana and Montana State to become FBS? They both are FBS capable to move up.

Montana State billings does not have a football program and voted to not start one

They used to have one a long time ago when the school was under a different name.

When they came out saying they will not start football? The guy donated $1 million dollars for them as a start to bring football back.

It was called Eastern Montana Back then and they don't even have a field anymore. They are not bringing back football

(06-04-2016 09:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Actually, is there any real reason to rush this? Having Idaho transition to FCS will obviously make things harder, but as long as the WAC exists, and New Mexico State doesn't have a conference, the only real deadline would be the negotiations for the next CFP contract (i.e., the one in effect beyond January 2026). New Mexico State will still have a pre-fabricated schedule for whatever the second transition year for the 7 or more schools winds up being (UNM, UTEP, FCS, P5, G5, WAC x7). The transitioning WAC schools would just be limited to 5 games each against each other, which may not be a full round-robin - and that's only for one year, and only if they all move on the same timeline.

It is not rushed, as they have had five years from when the WAC was falling apart. IMHO this has been the plan all along, but too many dismissed Fullerton as a dreamer. Fullerton would have been fired if the FBS thing was just a fantasy. The Montanas have run the league ever since Boise and Idaho left, and the Montanas wouldn't have put up with his spouts to the press unless they were the very ones behind it.

The league will need an FBS Idaho, as an FCS Idaho will make FBS transitions all the more difficult.

Look at Coastal, who had their stadium expansion rejected again. Some schools coming up short must be accomodated.

I expect the league will only offer 78 or so FBS scholarships until it has CFP mone y

(06-04-2016 09:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 09:02 PM)billings Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:10 PM)billings Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 03:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Montana State enrollment has been very strong and is growing. Cruzado will continue that push. NMSU's and Idaho's problems have been competing with much bigger schools and much bigger media markets. They have been dying to get like schools to compete against them in western markets.

UND doesn't care much about Chicagoland, but the Minneapolis and Wisconsin markets are crucial. We are Minnesota's most hated rival in the Twin Cities, granted in hockey, and our presence could land a Fox Sports North contract there.

She will continue the push to keep growing but she has no interest in FBS for MSU and U montana is flat broke and slashing programs left and right. Utter fantasy to think they can 1. go FBS or 2. one goes without the other. The big boosters up here are not interested in funding an FBS program

Montana State-Billings got a billionaire who donated 1 million dollars to the school to restart their football program. Who says there are more of them in Montana who would donate the money to both Montana and Montana State to become FBS? They both are FBS capable to move up.

Montana State billings does not have a football program and voted to not start one

They used to have one a long time ago when the school was under a different name.

When they came out saying they will not start football? The guy donated $1 million dollars for them as a start to bring football back.

A million isn't anything, except maybe at a JC level. A Billings sportswriter was spouting off that MSU-BILLINGS has all the same ingredients that Boise had. Boise St had a Boise business leaders that were committed to a high level FBS program. Billings has a sportwriter committed to a high level FBS program.

(06-04-2016 11:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  It is not rushed, as they have had five years from when the WAC was falling apart. IMHO this has been the plan all along, but too many dismissed Fullerton as a dreamer. Fullerton would have been fired if the FBS thing was just a fantasy. The Montanas have run the league ever since Boise and Idaho left, and the Montanas wouldn't have put up with his spouts to the press unless they were the very ones behind it.

The league will need an FBS Idaho, as an FCS Idaho will make FBS transitions all the more difficult.

Look at Coastal, who had their stadium expansion rejected again. Some schools coming up short must be accomodated.

I expect the league will only offer 78 or so FBS scholarships until it has CFP mone y

Fullerton has been lobbying for years. It's about to happen. What does he do. He retires.

(06-04-2016 11:23 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 11:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  It is not rushed, as they have had five years from when the WAC was falling apart. IMHO this has been the plan all along, but too many dismissed Fullerton as a dreamer. Fullerton would have been fired if the FBS thing was just a fantasy. The Montanas have run the league ever since Boise and Idaho left, and the Montanas wouldn't have put up with his spouts to the press unless they were the very ones behind it.

The league will need an FBS Idaho, as an FCS Idaho will make FBS transitions all the more difficult.

Look at Coastal, who had their stadium expansion rejected again. Some schools coming up short must be accomodated.

I expect the league will only offer 78 or so FBS scholarships until it has CFP mone y

Fullerton has been lobbying for years. It's about to happen. What does he do. He retires.

He is well beyond retirement age. He helped get FBS in motion, and his final Big Sky meeting will be his crowning glory.

(06-04-2016 08:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 05:16 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 03:47 PM)NoDak Wrote:  You can dismiss UC Davis's and EWU's desire for FBS all you want, but Google will show that they are fundraising for stadium expansions. Someone in their administrations thinks a bigger stadium is warranted. Whether you do or not is not relevant.

EWU is trying to replace their 50-year-old 8,600-seat stadium with a new 11,000-seat stadium. I'm not dismissing EWU. I'm noting that they're not making an effort to build FBS-level facilities.

Also, the general consensus is that Idaho boosters don't do enough to support FBS but we look like a thousand T. Boone Pickens' compared to EWU boosters.

The farmland in the latest article to build a new stadium could go past 20,000 seating if they get the approval. It would be a big boast for EWU to go to FBS. When I saw their playoffs game the year they won the FCS championship? There were more than 10,000 in attendance. I saw a lot of people on the hills and open spaces standing watching the game. That is why they need a new stadium because they have the fan support, but not enough seats to put them in.

You hallucinated. EWU won the FCS championship in 2010. They had 3 home playoff games that year. Attendance -- 3,665, 4,060 & 6,600. To be fair their attendance has been quite a bit better than that the last couple years and they likely do need a new stadium but let's not get carried away.

I'm not going to crap on EWU -- they're a really good program and Beau Baldwin is a helluva coach. They just don't have much in the way of resources and they don't have much prospect of getting a lot bigger than they already are. EWU is the 4th choice of public schools for most of Washington's wealthy families, and by and large their alums are not exactly the movers and shakers of the state. Obviously I'd be happy for them to go FBS because it would likely mean Idaho gets a better landing spot but it would be a serious stretch for them.

Eastern Washington (the region of the state, not the university) already has Washington State. And rich kids can go to Gonzaga.

EWU and CWU ... are probably equivalent to Spokane as what St Cloud St is to the Twin Cities. Not even really sure why EWU is DI. Its facilities are DII. But then again, I've always maintained that if the school wants to spend the extra money on scholarships and sports sponsored, then they should be allowed to knock themselves out.


About the article of the farmland next to EWU's stadium ... they're only looking at that plan because their previous plan, to expand the existing stadium into what I would call "about like what the other top-end FCS programs have" fell flat on its face. It has a $52M endowment. That's glorified community college level. They just don't have big donors.

(06-05-2016 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eastern Washington (the region of the state, not the university) already has Washington State. And rich kids can go to Gonzaga.

EWU and CWU ... are probably equivalent to Spokane as what St Cloud St is to the Twin Cities. Not even really sure why EWU is DI. Its facilities are DII. But then again, I've always maintained that if the school wants to spend the extra money on scholarships and sports sponsored, then they should be allowed to knock themselves out.


About the article of the farmland next to EWU's stadium ... they're only looking at that plan because their previous plan, to expand the existing stadium into what I would call "about like what the other top-end FCS programs have" fell flat on its face. It has a $52M endowment. That's glorified community college level. They just don't have big donors.

Look at how big the state of Washington is? They only have 3 football members at D1, and 5 total. They are under achieved in that department. Since Gonzaga and Seattle are private? I could see Central Washington and Western Washington to D1, and Evergreen State in Olympia at D1 in the future. Washington State, Central Washington, Eastern Washington and Gonzaga are spread far apart in eastern Washington. Gonzaga and Eastern is more northeast. Washington State is near the border to Idaho. Central is along the Cascades on the eastside. Evergreen State is in southwestern Washington, Seattle and Washington is in one town Western is in northwestern Washington close to the Canadian border.

(06-05-2016 07:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eastern Washington (the region of the state, not the university) already has Washington State. And rich kids can go to Gonzaga.

EWU and CWU ... are probably equivalent to Spokane as what St Cloud St is to the Twin Cities. Not even really sure why EWU is DI. Its facilities are DII. But then again, I've always maintained that if the school wants to spend the extra money on scholarships and sports sponsored, then they should be allowed to knock themselves out.


About the article of the farmland next to EWU's stadium ... they're only looking at that plan because their previous plan, to expand the existing stadium into what I would call "about like what the other top-end FCS programs have" fell flat on its face. It has a $52M endowment. That's glorified community college level. They just don't have big donors.

Look at how big the state of Washington is? They only have 3 football members at D1, and 5 total. They are under achieved in that department. Since Gonzaga and Seattle are private? I could see Central Washington and Western Washington to D1, and Evergreen State in Olympia at D1 in the future. Washington State, Central Washington, Eastern Washington and Gonzaga are spread far apart in eastern Washington. Gonzaga and Eastern is more northeast. Washington State is near the border to Idaho. Central is along the Cascades on the eastside. Evergreen State is in southwestern Washington, Seattle and Washington is in one town Western is in northwestern Washington close to the Canadian border.

There is nothing more hilarious than the idea of Evergreen State as a D1 school. Do you know anything at all about Evergreen? They could maybe field a competitive hacky sack squad but keeping score is for white male bourgeois capitalist pigs.

(06-06-2016 12:38 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eastern Washington (the region of the state, not the university) already has Washington State. And rich kids can go to Gonzaga.

EWU and CWU ... are probably equivalent to Spokane as what St Cloud St is to the Twin Cities. Not even really sure why EWU is DI. Its facilities are DII. But then again, I've always maintained that if the school wants to spend the extra money on scholarships and sports sponsored, then they should be allowed to knock themselves out.


About the article of the farmland next to EWU's stadium ... they're only looking at that plan because their previous plan, to expand the existing stadium into what I would call "about like what the other top-end FCS programs have" fell flat on its face. It has a $52M endowment. That's glorified community college level. They just don't have big donors.

Look at how big the state of Washington is? They only have 3 football members at D1, and 5 total. They are under achieved in that department. Since Gonzaga and Seattle are private? I could see Central Washington and Western Washington to D1, and Evergreen State in Olympia at D1 in the future. Washington State, Central Washington, Eastern Washington and Gonzaga are spread far apart in eastern Washington. Gonzaga and Eastern is more northeast. Washington State is near the border to Idaho. Central is along the Cascades on the eastside. Evergreen State is in southwestern Washington, Seattle and Washington is in one town Western is in northwestern Washington close to the Canadian border.

There is nothing more hilarious than the idea of Evergreen State as a D1 school. Do you know anything at all about Evergreen? They could maybe field a competitive hacky sack squad but keeping score is for white male bourgeois capitalist pigs.

I was born in Washington, and had to go to Western Washington U. to have my hearing tests when I was a kid. Shoot me if I have a thing for my birth state. As for Evergreen State? I was thinking since they are in the capital city, and a large one at that, the city could support the school. The Seahawks are using their facilities for their summer camp.

(06-06-2016 03:05 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 12:38 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Eastern Washington (the region of the state, not the university) already has Washington State. And rich kids can go to Gonzaga.

EWU and CWU ... are probably equivalent to Spokane as what St Cloud St is to the Twin Cities. Not even really sure why EWU is DI. Its facilities are DII. But then again, I've always maintained that if the school wants to spend the extra money on scholarships and sports sponsored, then they should be allowed to knock themselves out.


About the article of the farmland next to EWU's stadium ... they're only looking at that plan because their previous plan, to expand the existing stadium into what I would call "about like what the other top-end FCS programs have" fell flat on its face. It has a $52M endowment. That's glorified community college level. They just don't have big donors.

Look at how big the state of Washington is? They only have 3 football members at D1, and 5 total. They are under achieved in that department. Since Gonzaga and Seattle are private? I could see Central Washington and Western Washington to D1, and Evergreen State in Olympia at D1 in the future. Washington State, Central Washington, Eastern Washington and Gonzaga are spread far apart in eastern Washington. Gonzaga and Eastern is more northeast. Washington State is near the border to Idaho. Central is along the Cascades on the eastside. Evergreen State is in southwestern Washington, Seattle and Washington is in one town Western is in northwestern Washington close to the Canadian border.

There is nothing more hilarious than the idea of Evergreen State as a D1 school. Do you know anything at all about Evergreen? They could maybe field a competitive hacky sack squad but keeping score is for white male bourgeois capitalist pigs.

I was born in Washington, and had to go to Western Washington U. to have my hearing tests when I was a kid. Shoot me if I have a thing for my birth state. As for Evergreen State? I was thinking since they are in the capital city, and a large one at that, the city could support the school. The Seahawks are using their facilities for their summer camp.

And you still know nothing about the area, or the schools.

Interesting that Learfield Sports just acquired SME, which is developing UND's new Fighting Hawk logo. Learfield now has a relationship with the Big Sky, Idaho, EWU, Montana, Montana St, Sac St, Cal Poly, UND, USD, and NMSU.

Interesting that Learfield listed SME's clients as the Kentucky Derby, Atlanta Braves, the ACC, the New York Yankees, the NHL, the Louisville Cardinals, Miami Marlins, the PAC12 and UND on the press release.

My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

You and others jacks and bizons have been trolling the boards hard, including UND's own, to rebuke this WAC outrage. Two years ago you and others accused me of insanity. Now it is only for laughs and giggles.

The FBS world will just pass by the XDSU's if you don't have at least some humility.

(06-07-2016 02:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

You and others jacks and bizons have been trolling the boards hard, including UND's own, to rebuke this WAC outrage. Two years ago you and others accused me of insanity. Now it is only for laughs and giggles.

The FBS world will just pass by the XDSU's if you don't have at least some humility.

NoDak.... rich. just rich. Humility is not required on this message board and whether the haters have it or not will have no bearing on what happens in the future.

Stop pretending like you have some influence over what happens (well outside of the dreams inside your head).

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

Nice to see an SDSU fan here. I've enjoyed our basketball games lately. What's the general attitude of your fanbase toward your football future? I know very little about you guys and I'm curious.

(06-07-2016 03:24 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 02:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 11:08 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  My God ....

John Q Dingleberry used to own Learfield Sports ... and as we all know, his great-grandniece went to Sac St, the grandson of his previous neighbor was a EWU grad, his dogsitter's mother-in-law attended Montana St, and his cousin twice removed on his mother's side was once chancellor at USD!!

Been reading this fantasy thread for a while, this is the best post yet.

This entire thread contains some pretty funny stuff. The mythical FBS WAC will not include SDSU, NDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Montana, Montana State. The rest? Who cares. All I know is that the schools I listed above will not be going to the mythical FBS/WAC. None of them have proven to take the kind of risk associated with the fantasy put forward in this thread. The only way you see SDSU, NDSU, Montana, Montana State in the same conference is if a new FCS conference is developed or the P5 split and G5 + upper FCS are combined.

Oh, to NoDak. You have mentioned the Idaho Consultant's report a few times when it supports your odd ball theories. Later you mention that the Montana schools run the Big Sky. One problem, according to the Consultants report one of the problems they had with the Big Sky... the small schools run the show.

David St. Seriously? You think the RMAC could be a D1 conference? Do you know the schools in that conference? Most have a hard time staying D2. And that's in today's watered down D2. Crazy stuff.

Continue on please. I need a good laugh every now and again.

You and others jacks and bizons have been trolling the boards hard, including UND's own, to rebuke this WAC outrage. Two years ago you and others accused me of insanity. Now it is only for laughs and giggles.

The FBS world will just pass by the XDSU's if you don't have at least some humility.

NoDak.... rich. just rich. Humility is not required on this message board and whether the haters have it or not will have no bearing on what happens in the future.

Stop pretending like you have some influence over what happens (well outside of the dreams inside your head).

You bizon and jack fans somehow think that bashing me and my posts will stop UND from going FBS. It's like how you guys always trivialize and denigrate hockey, but UND is making a fortune off of it.

I obviously don't have influence, but I said all the signs for an FBS move were on years ago. You guys blasted me as delirious and insane. But now you want of piece of that rich pie.