Looks like Houston has the backing from a very well known UT alumni; Red McCombs.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...ng-raiders

(05-22-2016 10:17 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 03:51 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 11:39 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 10:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 07:42 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Louisville is in a contiguous state and last I knew New York has ocean front property (that's why the British attack it with the largest amphibious assault in history, at that time in 1776). Besides Syracuse wasn't the most western school in the ACC before Louisville joined!!:)

But the ACC already stretched from Boston to Miami, and Syracuse is less than 350 miles from Boston ... I can't see how anybody could suggest it is a "far from ACC footprint" school, unless they forgot that BC was an ACC member.

Louisville is in the western side of a longish state and its the eastern border that makes Kentucky a contiguous state ... but even so it's not a stretch for a P5 conference. Especially a P5 conference that already stretched from Boston to Miami.

I'm not entirely sure of your point. But Syracuse is in New York State. One of the original 13 colonies. Louisville is in the state of Kentucky which borders ACC states. What exactly is your point? The Big Ten is sprawled out over the Midwest country, but the ACC is our East Coast.

My point is as written ... regarding the suggestion the ACC taking Louisville and perhaps Syracuse were a stretch geographically, wrt Syracuse:

Quote: I can't see how anybody could suggest it is a "far from ACC footprint" school, unless they forgot that BC was an ACC member.

and wrt Louisville

Quote: Louisville is in the western side of a longish state and its the eastern border that makes Kentucky a contiguous state ... but even so it's not a stretch for a P5 conference. Especially a P5 conference that already stretched from Boston to Miami.

Louisville is in the middle, not west, middle of a "semi long" state (by east coast standards anyway, otherwise KY is not a big state). Syracuse is actually in the western part of a really long state by east coast standards. And being 350 miles from Boston. Louisville is withing 350 miles of several ACC schools, and is a shorter trip to all but one as compared to Syracuse. Syracuse is really far from more than half of the ACC. But that was not my point.

I made the point about Louisville and Syracuse being a stretch geographically. I didn't say they were too far away to add, hell I am a fan of one of the two schools. I was saying they were just a stretch as it was for non "king" schools (obviously ND doesn't matter since they are a major name). Thus if they were a stretch, to add those two schools, who are still much closer to the core of the ACC, a school like Houston, in situation, would be way too far away, to be an island and not a "king" or marquee school, as opposed to if it were Texas or Oklahoma in that situation, where the positives outweigh the extra distance.

It's like pointing out that West Virginia is too far away from the core of the Big 12. Thus as bad as they are a fit, UConn would be much, much worse. Just for a comparison.

Is there a point to quoting a post and underlining phrases, and then not commenting?

(05-22-2016 10:17 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I made the point about Louisville and Syracuse being a stretch geographically. I didn't say they were too far away to add, hell I am a fan of one of the two schools. I was saying they were just a stretch as it was for non "king" schools (obviously ND doesn't matter since they are a major name).

That's the claim that I didn't buy in the argument. Pitt is under 350 miles from Blacksburg (almost due north, but a shade to the east of Blacksburg), Syracuse is under 350 miles from Pitt (to the Northeast), Boston is under 350 miles from Syracuse, and almost a straight shot east ... I don't think Syracuse is a stretch by any means.

Quote: Thus if they were a stretch,

... which I do not concede ...

Quote: to add those two schools, who are still much closer to the core of the ACC, a school like Houston, in situation, would be way too far away, to be an island and not a "king" or marquee school, as opposed to if it were Texas or Oklahoma in that situation, where the positives outweigh the extra distance.

Not conceding that suggestion that Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville were a stretch for a conference stretching from Miami, Florida to Boston Massachusetts doesn't actually modify anything about Houston being highly unlikely for the ACC, suggesting that it was an unnecessary claim for the conclusion.

I can't see the ACC coming to Texas UNLESS the Big 12 is torn asunder. They aren't going to add Houston on an island.

(05-21-2016 11:25 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:45 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:36 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

Schools that are in Bold need to be removed for your list first David.

FIFY

Yet you leave ECU?

OOOOOOH THE BIAS IS REAL

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50,000 screaming lunatics inside Dowdy is reason enough to leave them.

(05-23-2016 12:01 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 11:25 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:45 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:36 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

Schools that are in Bold need to be removed for your list first David.

FIFY

Yet you leave ECU?

OOOOOOH THE BIAS IS REAL

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50,000 screaming lunatics inside Dowdy is reason enough to leave them.

Apparently no P5 agrees with you, sooooooo

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(05-23-2016 09:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 10:17 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I made the point about Louisville and Syracuse being a stretch geographically. I didn't say they were too far away to add, hell I am a fan of one of the two schools. I was saying they were just a stretch as it was for non "king" schools (obviously ND doesn't matter since they are a major name).

That's the claim that I didn't buy in the argument. Pitt is under 350 miles from Blacksburg (almost due north, but a shade to the east of Blacksburg), Syracuse is under 350 miles from Pitt (to the Northeast), Boston is under 350 miles from Syracuse, and almost a straight shot east ... I don't think Syracuse is a stretch by any means.

Quote: Thus if they were a stretch,

... which I do not concede ...

Quote: to add those two schools, who are still much closer to the core of the ACC, a school like Houston, in situation, would be way too far away, to be an island and not a "king" or marquee school, as opposed to if it were Texas or Oklahoma in that situation, where the positives outweigh the extra distance.

Not conceding that suggestion that Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville were a stretch for a conference stretching from Miami, Florida to Boston Massachusetts doesn't actually modify anything about Houston being highly unlikely for the ACC, suggesting that it was an unnecessary claim for the conclusion.

You were the one who interjected. Dafuq do you mean it was not necessary, your interjection was not even a part of the equation? Also, prior to the most recent expansion, the ACC stretched from Miami to Maryland, and had one outpost in Boston (hint, they were also a bit of a stretch). The core of the conference did not stretch that far - and really ten of the twelve teams were between Tallahassee and just outside of DC, a total distance of 875 miles. With Maryland gone, it is 700 miles from Tallahassee to Charlottesville for nine of the remaining 11 teams. Syracuse is 500+ miles from the closest core. That is very far from the core. Your math, by adding one team, then adding a team close to it, doesn't work. By that token, Notre Dame is close, because it is 250 miles from Louisville, who is only 375 miles from Virginia Tech, to conclude they are close, when in reality, they are 550 miles from the closest core school.

As I said, such distances become a stretch, because they literally stretch the footprint. It's no big deal, but the point is Syracuse, and BC, and Louisville, really stretch the distances between the schools, hence the term. A school like Houston, for example, who is 700 miles from the closest school, and well past that for most of the schools, would be even worse.

(05-20-2016 01:45 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:36 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

Schools that are in Bold need to be removed for your list first David.

FIFY

In case you've forgoten NIU did play FSU in the Orange Bowl recently

Looks like a big Longhorn donor wants Houston in the Big 12. Anyone know how much influence he has at Texas?

Red McCombs

(05-24-2016 07:45 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Looks like a big Longhorn donor wants Houston in the Big 12. Anyone know how much influence he has at Texas?

Red McCombs

(05-20-2016 01:45 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:36 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

Schools that are in Bold need to be removed for your list first David.

FIFY

I can agree the FCS schools do not belong and some FBS that should be FCS, but Mr. Bearcat fan, you sound elitist. You forget you shared a conference with USM. Toledo has accomplished more than you over its history. NIU has as well. You have what, one BCS bowl that you got plastered in? How do that make you difference than NIU or Hawaii. Marshall is a very respected program and has a very good history and has done just as much as ECU or other schools you promote. Tulsa belongs in the same sentence. Some of you people kill me and for this reason I hope conference shuffling just stops. Its fun to talk about but its also annoying that some of you see yourself this high, and other good programs beneath you when reality says otherwise.

(05-24-2016 07:50 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Red McCombs

Ouch Just called Red right out of his name.

I knew Ol' Red sounded familiar....

He said this below on January 8th, 2014. On the 10th, he apologized for it.

Longtime booster Red McCombs is not a fan of Texas' decision to hire coach Charlie Strong away from Louisville, calling it a "kick in the face" during a radio interview Monday.

"I think the whole thing is a bit sideways," McCombs said of the selection process during an interview with ESPN 1250 San Antonio. "I don't have any doubt that Charlie is a fine coach. I think he would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator.

"But I don't believe [he belongs at] what should be one of the three most powerful university programs in the world right now at UT-Austin. I don't think it adds up."

(05-24-2016 08:30 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I knew Ol' Red sounded familiar....

He said this below on January 8th, 2014. On the 10th, he apologized for it.

Longtime booster Red McCombs is not a fan of Texas' decision to hire coach Charlie Strong away from Louisville, calling it a "kick in the face" during a radio interview Monday.

"I think the whole thing is a bit sideways," McCombs said of the selection process during an interview with ESPN 1250 San Antonio. "I don't have any doubt that Charlie is a fine coach. I think he would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator.

"But I don't believe [he belongs at] what should be one of the three most powerful university programs in the world right now at UT-Austin. I don't think it adds up."

6-7 and 5-7 make ole Red look pretty bright in retrospect.

(05-24-2016 08:07 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:45 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:36 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

Schools that are in Bold need to be removed for your list first David.

FIFY

I can agree the FCS schools do not belong and some FBS that should be FCS, but Mr. Bearcat fan, you sound elitist. You forget you shared a conference with USM. Toledo has accomplished more than you over its history. NIU has as well. You have what, one BCS bowl that you got plastered in? How do that make you difference than NIU or Hawaii. Marshall is a very respected program and has a very good history and has done just as much as ECU or other schools you promote. Tulsa belongs in the same sentence. Some of you people kill me and for this reason I hope conference shuffling just stops. Its fun to talk about but its also annoying that some of you see yourself this high, and other good programs beneath you when reality says otherwise.

Marshall, NIU, etc will never be elite. Hell, Cincinnati will never be elite either. Are you guys really that torn up about this? All I really did was include the schools that are most often mentioned.

When you're looking at schools that deserve to be in a P5 conference, I kind of break 'em down into groups...

UConn
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU

Those four are a toss up as to who should be selected first. IMO, they're clearly the best possible options for on field and off field benefits.

Memphis
Boise
USF
UCF

Those four are solid additions, but have weaknesses as well.

(05-24-2016 09:36 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  When you're looking at schools that deserve to be in a P5 conference, I kind of break 'em down into groups...

UConn
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU

Those four are a toss up as to who should be selected first. IMO, they're clearly the best possible options for on field and off field benefits.

Memphis
Boise
USF
UCF

Those four are solid additions, but have weaknesses as well.

I think you summed it up well.

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

You forgot Arkansas Tech and Lamar.

(05-21-2016 11:25 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:45 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:36 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this is also a hidden agenda not just to the whole Big 12, but to the other P5 conferences who are also in fear of competition. Who can make the same cases these days that they belong in the elites?

Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
UConn
East Carolina
Tulsa
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee State
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Ohio U.
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
New Mexico
Utah State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Montana State
Delaware
Villanova
New Hampshire
Maine
Stony Brook
James Madison
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Fordham
Towson
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Chattanooga
Furman
Florida A&M

Schools that are in Bold need to be removed for your list first David.

FIFY

Yet you leave ECU?

OOOOOOH THE BIAS IS REAL

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Amen