(03-26-2016 12:38 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:03 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:20 PM)brista21 Wrote:  The women's game has traditionally been Tennessee, UConn and then everyone else. Notre Dame and Stanford have had an extended good run at this point and to me the only real competition for UConn. But as Rutgers has slid off over the last several years, I've paid less and less attention to the sport.

You're forgetting some notable names such as Old Dominion, Vanderbilt, Texas, USC, Immaculatta and especially Louisiana Tech.

(03-25-2016 11:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Yup, lack of parity for the women and poor refs for the men.

And whiny fans who couldn't do a better job than poor refs if they tried unless you're a referee in real life and you may be.

(03-25-2016 11:39 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UC Santa Barbara was a tournament regular in through the mid 2000s, culminating with a Sweet 16 run in 2004. We fell off the map quick after that.

Grrrr............ they went through Houston's best ever team that year.

I'll give you push. For the last 20+ (?) years, UConn has pretty much been in a class of their own. Tennessee occupied the #2 position for a good chunk of that, and everyone else fought for #3. Now it's UConn at #1 with the rest of the world fighting for #2 or worse.

Schools like Vanderbilt were good (and probably still are), but they were never a real threat to UConn - at least not in the recent to intermediate past.

FWIW, here is how teams have performed since the tournmanet started 34 years ago




Final fours
School Final Four Years Number of Appearances Championships
Tennessee 1982, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 18 8
Connecticut 1991, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 16 10
Stanford 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 12 2
Louisiana Tech 1982, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994, 1998, 1999 10 2
Notre Dame 1997, 2001, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 7 1
Georgia 1983, 1985, 1995, 1996, 1999 5 0
LSU 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 5 0
Maryland 1982, 1989, 2006, 2014, 2015 5 1
Duke 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006 4 0
Auburn 1988, 1989, 1990 3 0
Baylor 2005, 2010, 2012 3 2

(03-27-2016 10:43 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 10:15 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 09:09 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 08:29 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Louisville's been considered one of the better teams of late in WBB. That being said, they could be playing for the title in my living room and I still wouldn't watch and wouldn't care. Don't get me wrong, it's nice whenever Louisville's competitive in anything...but I won't piss on anyone's leg and say it's raining around here; I just don't care about women's basketball.

If what you wrote above is true, why are you commenting at all? Seems to me you care an awful lot to be sharing your thoughts with "us".

Your logic is stupid. It's a message board. It was a thread I found amusing. I made a comment. My opinions on message board topics aren't always indicative of my opinions on the subject of the topic itself. And besides, wtf is it to you anyways? You always seem to have this hard on for anything I say that you feel you need to come along behind me and always be a wise ass...even when I didn't even say anything about UConn! Seriously, grow up dude.

Your outrage is amusing. This is the first time in quite awhile where I've responded to one of your posts, but let's not muddy the water with facts.

**** off, DefConn. I'd probably be jumping to the defense of Women's Basketball too, if it was all my school was good at.

(03-27-2016 02:18 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Final fours
School Final Four Years Number of Appearances Championships
Tennessee 1982, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 18 8
Connecticut 1991, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 16 10
Stanford 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 12 2
Louisiana Tech 1982, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994, 1998, 1999 10 2
Notre Dame 1997, 2001, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 7 1
Georgia 1983, 1985, 1995, 1996, 1999 5 0
LSU 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 5 0
Maryland 1982, 1989, 2006, 2014, 2015 5 1
Duke 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006 4 0
Auburn 1988, 1989, 1990 3 0
Baylor 2005, 2010, 2012 3 2

Three of the all-time greats haven't made a final four in 15 years. That means the kids they are recruiting have no memory of their last final four appearance.

Interesting to see that five years after Louisiana Tech made its most recent final four appearance that Louisiana State made its first of five appearances.

heck, it's amazing to think that a 15 year old girl (so a freshman in HS) would have been 7 the last time Tennessee made the final 4 now.

There's been 19 teams to make at least 3 final 4's. Of those 19 now- 13 haven't been since 2008.

Of course since 2008, there's been 6 now that have made their 1st trip(adding in Washington and Syracuse).

Old Dominion hasn't even been to the Tournament in almost a decade. That's how much the BCS/CFP branding had affected college sports.

I don't know that I would say that. I mean, look at Auburn. Not been since 1990. Virginia since 1992. USC since 1986. A lot of programs that were good early just weren't able to keep up when the bigger schools started competing. La Tech is far sadder than ODU quite frankly....

In a way, UConn has ruined the Women's game. If there was a better chance of having several teams challenge for a title every year, I think it might do well to increase interest, but you're never going to convince anyone to tune in to watch a tournament where basically the only question is who finishes 2nd to UConn.

Like it or not, no one wants to watch the same team dominate something over and over again.

Did UCLA ruin college basketball in the 60's? Other than denying Houston a couple national titles (grrrrr...), it seems to me they were beneficial to college basketball.

Whether UConn wins every title from here on out and for all eternity, women's college basketball is not popular for a number of reasons not in any way associated with UConn or Tennessee's dominance.

(03-28-2016 11:38 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Old Dominion hasn't even been to the Tournament in almost a decade. That's how much the BCS/CFP branding had affected college sports.

Not a branding issue. It is an issue resources.
Let's get real.
ODU and Tech weren't offering better facilities than the power schools and coaches weren't getting offered fat deals to hire them away. The power schools just weren't bothering to spend their immense resources on the game

Today more P5 schools put out the effort, they spend large (compared to G5) for coaches, a staff will have the full allowed number of assistants and GA's plus a couple "quality control" people who can take their time breaking down film and such even if they aren't allowed full coaching duties. They give their coach a larger recruiting budget to allow them to look at more players.

Look at Baylor's Kim Mulkey. when Baylor came calling they weren't offering her a great deal more than Louisiana Tech but they were willing to offer a longer contract. Now more than a decade and a half later she makes a million a year at Baylor more than the football coach at La.Tech.

There are five Division I schools in Arkansas. AState's Grant McCasland is the third highest paid basketball coach in the state at $350,000 behind Arkansas men's coach Mike Anderson ($2.2 million) and Arkansas women's coach Jimmy Dykes at $450,000. Dykes is probably earning more than 220-250 men's Division I basketball coaches by coaching the women at Arkansas and he's not posted a winning record in SEC play after two years.

The money invested is the difference.

If one men's team got to sign the players rated 1-5 in the country every year, I don't believe they could match the UConn dominance. The depth of talent in men's basketball hasn't been replicated yet in women's basketball.

(03-28-2016 04:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If one men's team got to sign the players rated 1-5 in the country every year, I don't believe they could match the UConn dominance. The depth of talent in men's basketball hasn't been replicated yet in women's basketball.

well the 1 major difference. Male players don't stay for 4 years like Female players do. If Kentucky had all their guys- think last year- Anthony Davis would have been a senior last year. Kidd-Gilchrest would have been a senior last year. etc.

(03-28-2016 04:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If one men's team got to sign the players rated 1-5 in the country every year, I don't believe they could match the UConn dominance. The depth of talent in men's basketball hasn't been replicated yet in women's basketball.

You should really fact check before spouting BS. The last time UCONN had the #1 recruiting class was 2012. Geno doesn't recruit all the top ranked players. He recruits the players who best fit into the UCONN system. His ability to develop talent and bring out the best in his players is the primary reason behind UCONN's dominance.

I agree - women's BB lacks parity.

Thomas More College outside Cincinnati has gone 123-3 over the past 4 seasons in D-3. They're playing for their 2nd straight NCAA title next week.

Wow, you're really a WBB fan if you even know that.

Ok, so I know UConn has dominated the wbb scene for years. UofL is trying their best to climb the mountain. We have had great recruiting classes.We avg about 9,000 in attendance. We play a tremendous conference schedule. We have had great NCAA tournament runs. That is about ALL anyone can expect to do. The UConn dominance will end sometime or another. Until then, all you can do is hate it or accept it.

(03-27-2016 11:55 AM)sportsrankings Wrote:  you need to go to 10 scholarships, reduction of the current 5 for the top programs. The trickle down effect would work for WBB. Not all current WBB programs have 15 scholarships.

That would be a good start - but then schools would have to find another sport to put the 5 schollies in for Title IX purposes.

Bilas: You have to appreciate what UConn is doing

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15079576

(03-27-2016 02:18 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:38 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:03 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 11:20 PM)brista21 Wrote:  The women's game has traditionally been Tennessee, UConn and then everyone else. Notre Dame and Stanford have had an extended good run at this point and to me the only real competition for UConn. But as Rutgers has slid off over the last several years, I've paid less and less attention to the sport.

You're forgetting some notable names such as Old Dominion, Vanderbilt, Texas, USC, Immaculatta and especially Louisiana Tech.

(03-25-2016 11:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Yup, lack of parity for the women and poor refs for the men.

And whiny fans who couldn't do a better job than poor refs if they tried unless you're a referee in real life and you may be.

(03-25-2016 11:39 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UC Santa Barbara was a tournament regular in through the mid 2000s, culminating with a Sweet 16 run in 2004. We fell off the map quick after that.

Grrrr............ they went through Houston's best ever team that year.

I'll give you push. For the last 20+ (?) years, UConn has pretty much been in a class of their own. Tennessee occupied the #2 position for a good chunk of that, and everyone else fought for #3. Now it's UConn at #1 with the rest of the world fighting for #2 or worse.

Schools like Vanderbilt were good (and probably still are), but they were never a real threat to UConn - at least not in the recent to intermediate past.

FWIW, here is how teams have performed since the tournmanet started 34 years ago

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Year    Winner    Score    Opponent    Venue    Other Semifinalists
1982    Louisiana Tech    76–62    Cheyney State    Norfolk Scope (Norfolk, Virginia)    Tennessee & Maryland
1983    USC    69–67    Louisiana Tech    Old Dominion & Georgia
1984    USC    72–61    Tennessee    Pauley Pavilion (Los Angeles, California)    Cheyney State & Louisiana Tech
1985    Old Dominion    70–65    Georgia    Frank Erwin Center (Austin, Texas)    Western Kentucky & Northeast Louisiana
1986    Texas    97–81    USC    Rupp Arena (Lexington, Kentucky)    Western Kentucky & Tennessee
1987    Tennessee    67–44    Louisiana Tech    Frank Erwin Center (Austin, Texas)    Texas & Long Beach State
1988    Louisiana Tech    56–54    Auburn    Tacoma Dome (Tacoma, Washington)    Long Beach State & Tennessee
1989    Tennessee    76–70    Auburn    Louisiana Tech & Maryland
1990    Stanford    88–81    Auburn    Thompson–Boling Arena (Knoxville, Tennessee)    Virginia & Louisiana Tech
1991    Tennessee    70–67 (OT)    Virginia    Lakefront Arena (New Orleans, Louisiana)    Connecticut & Stanford
1992    Stanford    78–62    Western Kentucky    Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena (Los Angeles, California)    Southwest Missouri State & Virginia
1993    Texas Tech    84–82    Ohio State    Omni Coliseum (Atlanta, Georgia)    Iowa & Vanderbilt
1994    North Carolina    60–59    Louisiana Tech    Richmond Coliseum (Richmond, Virginia)    Purdue & Alabama
1995    Connecticut    70–64    Tennessee    Target Center (Minneapolis, Minnesota)    Stanford & Georgia
1996    Tennessee    83–65    Georgia    Charlotte Coliseum (Charlotte, North Carolina)    Connecticut & Stanford
1997    Tennessee    68–59    Old Dominion    Riverfront Coliseum (Cincinnati, Ohio)    Notre Dame & Stanford
1998    Tennessee    93–75    Louisiana Tech    Kemper Arena (Kansas City, Missouri)    Arkansas & NC State
1999    Purdue    62–45    Duke    San Jose Arena (San Jose, California)    Louisiana Tech & Georgia
2000    Connecticut    71–52    Tennessee    First Union Center (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)    Rutgers & Penn State
2001    Notre Dame    68–66    Purdue    Savvis Center (St. Louis, Missouri)    Connecticut & SW Missouri St
2002    Connecticut    82–70    Oklahoma    Alamodome (San Antonio, Texas)    Tennessee & Duke
2003    Connecticut    73–68    Tennessee    Georgia Dome (Atlanta, Georgia)    Texas & Duke
2004    Connecticut    70–61    Tennessee    New Orleans Arena (New Orleans, Louisiana)    Minnesota & LSU
2005    Baylor    84–62    Michigan State    RCA Dome (Indianapolis, Indiana)    LSU & Tennessee
2006    Maryland    78–75 (OT)    Duke    TD Garden (Boston, Massachusetts)    North Carolina & LSU
2007    Tennessee    59–46    Rutgers    Quicken Loans Arena (Cleveland, Ohio)
2008    Tennessee    64–48    Stanford    St. Pete Times Forum (Tampa, Florida)    LSU & Connecticut
2009    Connecticut    76–54    Louisville    Scottrade Center (St. Louis, Missouri)    Stanford & Oklahoma
2010    Connecticut    53–47    Stanford    Alamodome (San Antonio, Texas)    Baylor & Oklahoma
2011    Texas A&M    76–70    Notre Dame    Conseco Fieldhouse (Indianapolis, Indiana)    Connecticut & Stanford
2012    Baylor    80–61    Notre Dame    Pepsi Center (Denver, Colorado)    Stanford & Connecticut
2013    Connecticut    93–60    Louisville    New Orleans Arena (New Orleans, Louisiana)    Notre Dame & California
2014    Connecticut    79–58    Notre Dame    Bridgestone Arena (Nashville, Tennessee)    Stanford & Maryland
2015    Connecticut    63–53    Notre Dame    Amalie Arena (Tampa, Florida)    South Carolina & Maryland
2016        Bankers Life Fieldhouse (Indianapolis)

Final fours
School Final Four Years Number of Appearances Championships
Tennessee 1982, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 18 8
Connecticut 1991, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 16 10
Stanford 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 12 2
Louisiana Tech 1982, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994, 1998, 1999 10 2
Notre Dame 1997, 2001, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 7 1
Georgia 1983, 1985, 1995, 1996, 1999 5 0
LSU 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 5 0
Maryland 1982, 1989, 2006, 2014, 2015 5 1
Duke 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006 4 0
Auburn 1988, 1989, 1990 3 0
Baylor 2005, 2010, 2012 3 2

Texas is 3 1 (86, 87, 2003)

WKU and ODU also had 3

(03-28-2016 04:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If one men's team got to sign the players rated 1-5 in the country every year, I don't believe they could match the UConn dominance. The depth of talent in men's basketball hasn't been replicated yet in women's basketball.

Kentucky, Kansas, Duke and UNC do get all the top players among those 4. But there is so much talent, they merely stay near the top but don't necessarily get there.

Has Geno Ari...Arie...olla ever considered coaching men's basketball? I really would like to see how good he would be as a men's coach.