(03-26-2016 06:27 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:12 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 10:08 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if he's the leading scorer next year.

Honestly I'll be shocked if he isn't. That kid has next level . Mick better make the "offense" run through him.

Who? Evans?

Yes Evans, he is the most gifted player on the team, that's not even a question IMO.

Well, there certainly is a question on my part. Evans is a very nice offensive player. he is not nearly the all around player that Clark is.

I'd say Evans is a better shooter, ball handler, passer... Evans also rebounds the ball extremely well for his position and is a solid defender... Evans to me looks like he's in control when he's out there and knows what he's doin. I feel like Clark is one of those guys that plays awesome one game and disappears the next (confidence issues).

(03-26-2016 06:47 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I'd say Evans is a better shooter, ball handler, passer... Evans also rebounds the ball extremely well for his position and is a solid defender... Evans to me looks like he's in control when he's out there and knows what he's doin. I feel like Clark is one of those guys that plays awesome one game and disappears the next (confidence issues).

Evans is a perimeter player so I would hope that he'd be a better shooter and ball handler. Clark is an outstanding post passer so I'm not sure I'd concede he's a better passer.

I could argue either way and could also make an argument for our first team all conference point guard. The important point is we haven't had a trio of such talented players since the sweet 16 team with Cash, SK, and Yancy. Good recipe for success.

(03-26-2016 06:27 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:12 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 10:08 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if he's the leading scorer next year.

Honestly I'll be shocked if he isn't. That kid has next level . Mick better make the "offense" run through him.

Who? Evans?

Yes Evans, he is the most gifted player on the team, that's not even a question IMO.

Well, there certainly is a question on my part. Evans is a very nice offensive player. he is not nearly the all around player that Clark is.

Clark gets his because he works harder than the people guarding him. Evans (even as a freshman) gets his because he's got a ton of talent. In college basketball the one that works harder may be rewarded, but when it comes to the NBA it's about talent and on uc's team, there is only one guy with NBA talent and physique and that's Jacob Evans. And just maybe Mick will understand that developing a kid like Evans into a first round draft could result in a bump in recruiting, because these kids don't dream of making a Final Four, they dream about getting drafted.

(03-26-2016 04:12 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 10:08 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if he's the leading scorer next year.

Honestly I'll be shocked if he isn't. That kid has next level . Mick better make the "offense" run through him.

Who? Evans?

Yes Evans, he is the most gifted player on the team, that's not even a question IMO.

Yeah I think he will be the leading scorer next year.

(03-19-2016 08:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 08:30 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 08:23 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Raise your hand if you're happy Ellis is gone...

<hand raised>

Not me. It was disappointing he didn't raise his game as a senior but he was a solid player and great defender for two years. Not to mention the improvement in his on court anger issues. He's been through a lot and you can tell the coaches really care for him. Hope he's able to make a good life for himself in an overseas league.

This

I would have liked Ellis a lot more if Mick had pulled the trigger and made Deberry the primary 5. Ellis in smaller doses where he wasn't holding Deberry back from the crucial situations could have been a solid role player. Instead, the usage was frustrating, the lack of improvement was frustrating, conditioning, fouls... etc

Not all of that is on the kid though imo

The kid was who he was. We were desperate to bring him back. I'm sure he is a great guy and I wish him the best but on the court he had $1,000,000 talent and a $0.10 noggin and it rubbed off in my opinion. Not like we weren't forewarned.

(03-26-2016 09:56 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Let's see, everybody thinks we will be better next year, why ?

C- No proven player----Washington is not, 6 pts. a game as soph. doesn't get it. Moore we know is not. Brooks very raw.

PF- Clark while I really like him, was backsliding bad even before he got hurt. No proven backup. Scott not a scorer, very raw.

SG- Nobody on this board likes KJ to start but he will. No proven backup. Cumberland is not the next SK, remember, SK was damn near 25 his Sr. year.

PG- Caupain will be good, but Jennifer is still unproven.

SF- Evans III maybe the next All American, backup unproven.


Just don't see all the hype for next year, I think Ellis, DeBerry, Cobb and Thomas were somewhat better than they are given credit for. Mick better get some Jucos in here that can play right away.

KJ is a turnover machine. Can't have that at SG if you want to be a team that plays at a high level. I think he'd make a nice role player coming off the bench, but if he's your starting SG, this is going to be another very average team.

(03-26-2016 09:56 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Let's see, everybody thinks we will be better next year, why ?

C- No proven player----Washington is not, 6 pts. a game as soph. doesn't get it. Moore we know is not. Brooks very raw.

PF- Clark while I really like him, was backsliding bad even before he got hurt. No proven backup. Scott not a scorer, very raw.

SG- Nobody on this board likes KJ to start but he will. No proven backup. Cumberland is not the next SK, remember, SK was damn near 25 his Sr. year.

PG- Caupain will be good, but Jennifer is still unproven.

SF- Evans III maybe the next All American, backup unproven.


Just don't see all the hype for next year, I think Ellis, DeBerry, Cobb and Thomas were somewhat better than they are given credit for. Mick better get some Jucos in here that can play right away.

I'm not worried about Washington at all and I think Cumberland will be better than Cobb or Shaq the minute he walks on campus. The biggest question is whether we have any depth because it's rough replacing 4 (shaq, cobb, ellis, deberry) with 2 (Washington, Cumberland) in the actual rotation. Either Jennifer/Moore have to become a thing this year, or we have to hope guys like Scott and Brooks are ready for minutes.

I actually like our top 6 next year a good amount better than this year.

(03-26-2016 09:56 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Let's see, everybody thinks we will be better next year, why ?

C- No proven player----Washington is not, 6 pts. a game as soph. doesn't get it. Moore we know is not. Brooks very raw.

PF- Clark while I really like him, was backsliding bad even before he got hurt. No proven backup. Scott not a scorer, very raw.

SG- Nobody on this board likes KJ to start but he will. No proven backup. Cumberland is not the next SK, remember, SK was damn near 25 his Sr. year.

PG- Caupain will be good, but Jennifer is still unproven.

SF- Evans III maybe the next All American, backup unproven.


Just don't see all the hype for next year, I think Ellis, DeBerry, Cobb and Thomas were somewhat better than they are given credit for. Mick better get some Jucos in here that can play right away.

Holy recency bias, Batman....

(03-26-2016 06:47 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:27 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:12 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Honestly I'll be shocked if he isn't. That kid has next level . Mick better make the "offense" run through him.

Who? Evans?

Yes Evans, he is the most gifted player on the team, that's not even a question IMO.

Well, there certainly is a question on my part. Evans is a very nice offensive player. he is not nearly the all around player that Clark is.

I'd say Evans is a better shooter, ball handler, passer... Evans also rebounds the ball extremely well for his position and is a solid defender... Evans to me looks like he's in control when he's out there and knows what he's doin. I feel like Clark is one of those guys that plays awesome one game and disappears the next (confidence issues).

with clark, I wonder sometimes, when he does struggle, if it's not because of size / matchup issues - where's he up against a bigger body

(03-28-2016 11:23 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:47 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:27 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:12 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 01:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Who? Evans?

Yes Evans, he is the most gifted player on the team, that's not even a question IMO.

Well, there certainly is a question on my part. Evans is a very nice offensive player. he is not nearly the all around player that Clark is.

I'd say Evans is a better shooter, ball handler, passer... Evans also rebounds the ball extremely well for his position and is a solid defender... Evans to me looks like he's in control when he's out there and knows what he's doin. I feel like Clark is one of those guys that plays awesome one game and disappears the next (confidence issues).

with clark, I wonder sometimes, when he does struggle, if it's not because of size / matchup issues - where's he up against a bigger body

I think Gary just got worn down by the end of the year. That is where Shaq's injury hurt the most, we had no one to spell Gary at the 4. I'm hopeful Scott can give 10-12 good minutes at the 4 this year. Also, Gary has to get in better shape this offseason...

I guess I'm all over the place when it comes to next season at this point. On one hand, our Bearcats seem poised to be extremely competitive again next season but I'm not seeing a huge jump in record although I hope I am very wrong on the last point.

On the one hand, we have a solid core of upper class talent but we only go 6 or 7 deep. But I thought some of the mass substitution stuff hurt the team this year from a continuity standpoint.

I loved Mick giving Oct the second chance and mostly how it turned out but on the other hand I think it hurt GC because at times it seemed he was made a 2nd big man option to keep Oct "happy". GC showed a few great games down the stretch before getting hurt especially when playing opposite DeBerry.

At this point, my expectation is to finish in the AAC Top 3, ranked between 20 and 30 and not have to sweat a bubble invite down the stretch. Beat X + a Sweet 16 makes it a great year.

22-12
First round loss as an 8 seed

(03-28-2016 11:38 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 11:23 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:47 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:27 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:12 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Yes Evans, he is the most gifted player on the team, that's not even a question IMO.

Well, there certainly is a question on my part. Evans is a very nice offensive player. he is not nearly the all around player that Clark is.

I'd say Evans is a better shooter, ball handler, passer... Evans also rebounds the ball extremely well for his position and is a solid defender... Evans to me looks like he's in control when he's out there and knows what he's doin. I feel like Clark is one of those guys that plays awesome one game and disappears the next (confidence issues).

with clark, I wonder sometimes, when he does struggle, if it's not because of size / matchup issues - where's he up against a bigger body

I think Gary just got worn down by the end of the year. That is where Shaq's injury hurt the most, we had no one to spell Gary at the 4. I'm hopeful Scott can give 10-12 good minutes at the 4 this year. Also, Gary has to get in better shape this offseason...

Good point. My man GC didn't have the fresh legs like he did as a freshman. He
frequently got out on the wing and intercepted passes and ran the court. This year
he hovered in the arc. You can't question his rebounding, and he has expanded
his shooting range. But his legs weren't as fresh from the outset..

(03-28-2016 01:43 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 11:38 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 11:23 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:47 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 06:27 PM)ctipton Wrote:  Well, there certainly is a question on my part. Evans is a very nice offensive player. he is not nearly the all around player that Clark is.

I'd say Evans is a better shooter, ball handler, passer... Evans also rebounds the ball extremely well for his position and is a solid defender... Evans to me looks like he's in control when he's out there and knows what he's doin. I feel like Clark is one of those guys that plays awesome one game and disappears the next (confidence issues).

with clark, I wonder sometimes, when he does struggle, if it's not because of size / matchup issues - where's he up against a bigger body

I think Gary just got worn down by the end of the year. That is where Shaq's injury hurt the most, we had no one to spell Gary at the 4. I'm hopeful Scott can give 10-12 good minutes at the 4 this year. Also, Gary has to get in better shape this offseason...

Good point. My man GC didn't have the fresh legs like he did as a freshman. He
frequently got out on the wing and intercepted passes and ran the court. This year
he hovered in the arc. You can't question his rebounding, and he has expanded
his shooting range. But his legs weren't as fresh from the outset..

I agree. As one of the other posters pointed out, he needs to probably get in better shape. At least to me he just didn't look like he was in as good a shape (or I guess health?) as he was as a freshman.

(03-28-2016 01:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  22-12
First round loss as an 8 seed

That's what you are hoping for???? I'd set my sights a little higher...Sweet 16....possibly Elite 8...

(03-28-2016 02:06 PM)uchoops Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 01:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  22-12
First round loss as an 8 seed

That's what you are hoping for???? I'd set my sights a little higher...Sweet 16....possibly Elite 8...

De Ja Vu all over again.

Hopeful scenario is that Cronin figured out he has a pretty good gig here and feels reinvigorated. We see drastic improvement for Kevin Johnson, Moore, and Jenifer. The newcomers make significant contributions enabling the starters to rest and Washington is a drastic improvement over Ellis. Cronin gets help on the offensive side and we run a fluid offense and maintain a top 10 defense. UC wins the conference and gets at least a 4 seed. They get to the Elite 8.

Past experience holds me back from making such a prediction.

(03-28-2016 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Hopeful scenario is that Cronin figured out he has a pretty good gig here and feels reinvigorated. We see drastic improvement for Kevin Johnson, Moore, and Jenifer. The newcomers make significant contributions enabling the starters to rest and Washington is a drastic improvement over Ellis. Cronin gets help on the offensive side and we run a fluid offense and maintain a top 10 defense. UC wins the conference and gets at least a 4 seed. They get to the Elite 8.

Past experience holds me back from making such a prediction.

You wouldn't be smoking wacky tabacky would you?

If you watch Gary play it's easy to see why the guy wears out. Late in the season I remember seeing him challenging a shot at the top of the key and somehow he rebounded that shot on the block. He plays with an effort I don't know that I've seen. I want that guy for 28-32 minutes versus the guy he'd be if played more minutes.