(03-17-2016 12:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

You say in one breath there is no commitment by your fans, but then in the next say the school had to beg fans to fund the new basketball practice facility and your fans did it, that’s a sign of support right there.

I guess I will ask you this, is it the fans responsibility to continue to donate blindly to a basketball program that it’s clear the admiration isn’t behind? You’re saying your fans should support a program that in the last 6 seasons hasn’t been inside the top 100 RPI once, and 3 times was +200. Shouldn’t it be the schools commitment to putting a quality program on the floor which will then earn the support of your fans?

I never understood this logic of blind support. If a restaurant opens in your town and the food is horrible people will stop eating there and it won’t survive. No one is expected to go night after night and spend good money to tolerate bad food, yet it’s expected with our sports teams.

Well I don't understand the mindset of only supporting your team if it is winning. The South is filled with fair weather fans...Atlanta is known for them.

ECU basketball is different in that the administration never made it a priority until they renovated Minges in 94, positioned themselves to get into CUSA in 2000 and then did fundraising for the practice facility. The reason that ended up getting funded is because they put a Hall of Fame into the project, which got some big supporters like David Garrard...it wasn't because ECU fans were interested in funding basketball.

I am referring to a culture at ECU...you have to be in it to understand it...its a the culture of the fanbase...its very SEC like. Auburn is a great example. They built a $100 million arena, pay Bruce Pearl $2.2 mill a year and are 27-77 in the SEC since Lebo left 6 years ago. They have SEC money...ECU does not. And LAX is not costing an arm and a leg like replacing the coach will (for possibly no benefit and no interest). At least there appears to be a benefit to the cost of the LAX team.

(03-17-2016 03:54 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

You say in one breath there is no commitment by your fans, but then in the next say the school had to beg fans to fund the new basketball practice facility and your fans did it, that’s a sign of support right there.

I guess I will ask you this, is it the fans responsibility to continue to donate blindly to a basketball program that it’s clear the admiration isn’t behind? You’re saying your fans should support a program that in the last 6 seasons hasn’t been inside the top 100 RPI once, and 3 times was +200. Shouldn’t it be the schools commitment to putting a quality program on the floor which will then earn the support of your fans?

I never understood this logic of blind support. If a restaurant opens in your town and the food is horrible people will stop eating there and it won’t survive. No one is expected to go night after night and spend good money to tolerate bad food, yet it’s expected with our sports teams.

Well I don't understand the mindset of only supporting your team if it is winning. The South is filled with fair weather fans...Atlanta is known for them.

ECU basketball is different in that the administration never made it a priority until they renovated Minges in 94, positioned themselves to get into CUSA in 2000 and then did fundraising for the practice facility. The reason that ended up getting funded is because they put a Hall of Fame into the project, which got some big supporters like David Garrard...it wasn't because ECU fans were interested in funding basketball.

I am referring to a culture at ECU...you have to be in it to understand it...its a the culture of the fanbase...its very SEC like. Auburn is a great example. They built a $100 million arena, pay Bruce Pearl $2.2 mill a year and are 27-77 in the SEC since Lebo left 6 years ago. They have SEC money...ECU does not. And LAX is not costing an arm and a leg like replacing the coach will (for possibly no benefit and no interest). At least there appears to be a benefit to the cost of the LAX team.

Such a small time CUSA mind set but ok, you win, congratulations on the new women’s LAX program.

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

A 10K seat arena for hoops, along with a 1-2K seat special events center for would be ideal. Put it on the river front, and build up around it.

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

IF that happens it needs to be something that can hold bigger events like a conference tournament (maybe not AAC but like smaller conferences and CC) while also allowing the local high schools to start hockey teams if they wish.


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(03-17-2016 04:12 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

A 10K seat arena for hoops, along with a 1-2K seat special events center for would be ideal. Put it on the river front, and build up around it.

Why not by North Campus Crossing and the fairgrounds? Could use it for the county fair concerts and/or the rain backup plan.


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(03-17-2016 03:54 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

You say in one breath there is no commitment by your fans, but then in the next say the school had to beg fans to fund the new basketball practice facility and your fans did it, that’s a sign of support right there.

I guess I will ask you this, is it the fans responsibility to continue to donate blindly to a basketball program that it’s clear the admiration isn’t behind? You’re saying your fans should support a program that in the last 6 seasons hasn’t been inside the top 100 RPI once, and 3 times was +200. Shouldn’t it be the schools commitment to putting a quality program on the floor which will then earn the support of your fans?

I never understood this logic of blind support. If a restaurant opens in your town and the food is horrible people will stop eating there and it won’t survive. No one is expected to go night after night and spend good money to tolerate bad food, yet it’s expected with our sports teams.

Well I don't understand the mindset of only supporting your team if it is winning. The South is filled with fair weather fans...Atlanta is known for them.

ECU basketball is different in that the administration never made it a priority until they renovated Minges in 94, positioned themselves to get into CUSA in 2000 and then did fundraising for the practice facility. The reason that ended up getting funded is because they put a Hall of Fame into the project, which got some big supporters like David Garrard...it wasn't because ECU fans were interested in funding basketball.

I am referring to a culture at ECU...you have to be in it to understand it...its a the culture of the fanbase...its very SEC like. Auburn is a great example. They built a $100 million arena, pay Bruce Pearl $2.2 mill a year and are 27-77 in the SEC since Lebo left 6 years ago. They have SEC money...ECU does not. And LAX is not costing an arm and a leg like replacing the coach will (for possibly no benefit and no interest). At least there appears to be a benefit to the cost of the LAX team.

Just for reference, Bruce Pearl has been at Auburn for about 15 minutes (second season), finished this season with an RPI of 172 with an overall strength of schedule of 43 and a non-conference strength of schedule of 29. They also beat RPI #10 ranked Kentucky. Last season he finished with an RPI of 126.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if ECU could sniff a 170 and 126 RPI.

(03-17-2016 04:12 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

A 10K seat arena for hoops, along with a 1-2K seat special events center for would be ideal. Put it on the river front, and build up around it.

THIS. It saves ECU and the City money by collaborating. It gives the City and Uptown a much need anchor and economic driver. We should have done this with the baseball stadium like Holland suggested but the City was too close minded for such a thing at the time.

Bruce Pearl has lost 20 games both years he has been there.

He is making $2.2 million. He has been a failure. They are averaging 5K in a brand new arena.

Tony Barbee was hired from UTEP to replace Lebo. He failed and was replaced 4 years in. The main reason Lebo was fired at Auburn is because they were opening up the $100 mill arena and needed fans to come fill it. The culture there was that they didn't care about basketball (sound familiar) but the Administration had to do something to make it look like they cared, so they replaced the coach. Again, it failed.

Auburn thought if it built a new arena and hired a big name coach, it would change their culture. UCF thought the same thing. Fans change the culture, not facilities or coaches.

As for ECU and a new arena...I don't see a hockey program ever being part of ECU....if the community supports hockey and ECU wants to field a club team, maybe they can help fundraise to make that work. I do think a good hockey rink in Greenville has a community benefit, especially if you can incorporate the Hurricanes in to the mix.

ECU won't be building an arena any time soon, unless its fans start showing up to basketball games to justify it. The marketplace is not there. Its unfortunate, because the league is quality and the caliber of player coming to ECU is getting better. I'm not talking about blind loyalty, I'm talking about showing up, supporting and THEN holding accountable. These fans that never go to a game, hardly watch on TV, whine and moan about the program and go off and support the ACC...they have no credibility to call for the coach to be fired. They have not invested anything into the program and just because they yell and scream, it shouldn't faze the administration, who ARE fully invested. Lebo won 23 games and a CIT title, which is better than anything ECU basketball had done before (no titles of any kind)....so it IS understandable that Lebo would get a long term contract at a relatively affordable rate. Has it worked? No. Will it? Time will tell. In the meantime, ECU fans should be coming to games no matter who is the coach, no matter what is the record...or else THEY suck. They should be coming to help the team win, they should be coming to help justify the expense of a new arena. THAT is how you build a program. INVEST in it, because even if you did have Auburn's money, it still will be a failure. Otherwise, these folks are just making noise.

(03-18-2016 08:42 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 04:12 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

A 10K seat arena for hoops, along with a 1-2K seat special events center for would be ideal. Put it on the river front, and build up around it.

THIS. It saves ECU and the City money by collaborating. It gives the City and Uptown a much need anchor and economic driver. We should have done this with the baseball stadium like Holland suggested but the City was too close minded for such a thing at the time.

Luckily we made the baseball stadium work by building the entire sports complex there.


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(03-18-2016 09:46 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Bruce Pearl has lost 20 games both years he has been there.

He is making $2.2 million. He has been a failure. They are averaging 5K in a brand new arena.

Tony Barbee was hired from UTEP to replace Lebo. He failed and was replaced 4 years in. The main reason Lebo was fired at Auburn is because they were opening up the $100 mill arena and needed fans to come fill it. The culture there was that they didn't care about basketball (sound familiar) but the Administration had to do something to make it look like they cared, so they replaced the coach. Again, it failed.

Auburn thought if it built a new arena and hired a big name coach, it would change their culture. UCF thought the same thing. Fans change the culture, not facilities or coaches.

As for ECU and a new arena...I don't see a hockey program ever being part of ECU....if the community supports hockey and ECU wants to field a club team, maybe they can help fundraise to make that work. I do think a good hockey rink in Greenville has a community benefit, especially if you can incorporate the Hurricanes in to the mix.

ECU won't be building an arena any time soon, unless its fans start showing up to basketball games to justify it. The marketplace is not there. Its unfortunate, because the league is quality and the caliber of player coming to ECU is getting better. I'm not talking about blind loyalty, I'm talking about showing up, supporting and THEN holding accountable. These fans that never go to a game, hardly watch on TV, whine and moan about the program and go off and support the ACC...they have no credibility to call for the coach to be fired. They have not invested anything into the program and just because they yell and scream, it shouldn't faze the administration, who ARE fully invested. Lebo won 23 games and a CIT title, which is better than anything ECU basketball had done before (no titles of any kind)....so it IS understandable that Lebo would get a long term contract at a relatively affordable rate. Has it worked? No. Will it? Time will tell. In the meantime, ECU fans should be coming to games no matter who is the coach, no matter what is the record...or else THEY suck. They should be coming to help the team win, they should be coming to help justify the expense of a new arena. THAT is how you build a program. INVEST in it, because even if you did have Auburn's money, it still will be a failure. Otherwise, these folks are just making noise.

No titles of any kind? So you're saying our NCAA appearances were at-large bids? O.o


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(03-17-2016 11:49 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 10:42 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

This is amazing to me, you’re the person who told me that ECU couldn’t afford to be competitive in men’s basketball. Men’s basketball, a revenue generating sport that with a competitive program helps put NCAA tournament credits revenue in everyone’s pocket, even if you’re not the team making the tournament.

ECU can’t be competitive because you don’t have the money to make a coaching change, yet the school has the resources to add a brand new non-revenue start up sport? I know this has been in the works for some time now, but ECU basketball has performed at a well below average level for some time now also, and you’ve known you would be playing in a very competitive conference with a lot of programs who take men’s basketball very seriously for over 3 years.

Lots of people gave Temple University a lot of crap when they were forced to make the really tough decision, eliminate some non-revenue producing sports in order to go all in on the commitment to football and spend those resources there. Temple did it not only for the betterment of the university but to benefit the conference as well.

It amazes me that with all the talk about ECU being held out from a Big East invitation because the school had no commitment to basketball that the AD and administration at ECU wouldn’t be going out of their way to prove everyone wrong, instead you guys just feed the perception of no commitment.

Amazing and very frustrating.

Or maybe we realize this has been in the works for a while and has no bearing on Lebo/basketball at all.

Also LAX as I stand earlier gives the soccer complex another revenue stream to help bring money into the program and pay off for the complex. I guarantee within 5 seasons we will b making the postseason and everyone will say it was a smart move adding the sport as it would be bringing in money that we otherwise would have had.

I hate people who just look short term because than they make rash choices/statements that will come back to bite them. Also some fans need to stop saying that because we did this, Lebo is going to stay as neither are connected to the other.


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Revenue stream into the soccer complex, how? My nephew plays D1 LAX at a name brand northeast LAX school, you know how many people attended the games? 2000 maybe if the weather was nice, and half of them were students who got in for free! Women LAX, you will be LUCKY to get 500 and most of them will be students. Yeah that extra $700 you make per game will put the complex right into the black!

That's great, in 5 years ECU's womens LAX team will be playing for a national championship but mens basketball will still have Lebo for a coach and a +200 RPI.

No, in 5 years we will be able to part ways with Lebo. In the meantime, we need your Owls to earn us some NCAA Basketball Tourney Credits. Thanks in advance.

(03-18-2016 10:15 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:46 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Bruce Pearl has lost 20 games both years he has been there.

He is making $2.2 million. He has been a failure. They are averaging 5K in a brand new arena.

Tony Barbee was hired from UTEP to replace Lebo. He failed and was replaced 4 years in. The main reason Lebo was fired at Auburn is because they were opening up the $100 mill arena and needed fans to come fill it. The culture there was that they didn't care about basketball (sound familiar) but the Administration had to do something to make it look like they cared, so they replaced the coach. Again, it failed.

Auburn thought if it built a new arena and hired a big name coach, it would change their culture. UCF thought the same thing. Fans change the culture, not facilities or coaches.

As for ECU and a new arena...I don't see a hockey program ever being part of ECU....if the community supports hockey and ECU wants to field a club team, maybe they can help fundraise to make that work. I do think a good hockey rink in Greenville has a community benefit, especially if you can incorporate the Hurricanes in to the mix.

ECU won't be building an arena any time soon, unless its fans start showing up to basketball games to justify it. The marketplace is not there. Its unfortunate, because the league is quality and the caliber of player coming to ECU is getting better. I'm not talking about blind loyalty, I'm talking about showing up, supporting and THEN holding accountable. These fans that never go to a game, hardly watch on TV, whine and moan about the program and go off and support the ACC...they have no credibility to call for the coach to be fired. They have not invested anything into the program and just because they yell and scream, it shouldn't faze the administration, who ARE fully invested. Lebo won 23 games and a CIT title, which is better than anything ECU basketball had done before (no titles of any kind)....so it IS understandable that Lebo would get a long term contract at a relatively affordable rate. Has it worked? No. Will it? Time will tell. In the meantime, ECU fans should be coming to games no matter who is the coach, no matter what is the record...or else THEY suck. They should be coming to help the team win, they should be coming to help justify the expense of a new arena. THAT is how you build a program. INVEST in it, because even if you did have Auburn's money, it still will be a failure. Otherwise, these folks are just making noise.

No titles of any kind? So you're saying our NCAA appearances were at-large bids? O.o


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I was there the last time ECU went to the tourney...they made a run behind Lester Lyons, who was a dead on shooter. They were like 12-19. Sure, they won the CAA tourney, but they finished in the bottom half of the league that year. Wonderful story, but let's not think there was anything more to it than a mediocre coach in Payne and a great shooter on a big time shooting streak. The town was shocked, ECU was shocked. No one expected it out of THAT team.

THAT was almost 25 years ago. If you are talking about that or anything prior to that, it has no relevance. I'm sure you understand the context of my post, and now I have provided context to yours.

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

I honestly can't believe that you think that's a good idea. It really speaks to your IQ.

This thread.... SMH.

(03-16-2016 10:34 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  http://eastcarolina.247sports.com/tu/MTY...RpbnkyNDc=

Sure hope our girls get a chance to pound.... er beat..... er defeat your girls soon.

(03-17-2016 04:19 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 03:54 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEniG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

You say in one breath there is no commitment by your fans, but then in the next say the school had to beg fans to fund the new basketball practice facility and your fans did it, that’s a sign of support right there.

I guess I will ask you this, is it the fans responsibility to continue to donate blindly to a basketball program that it’s clear the admiration isn’t behind? You’re saying your fans should support a program that in the last 6 seasons hasn’t been inside the top 100 RPI once, and 3 times was +200. Shouldn’t it be the schools commitment to putting a quality program on the floor which will then earn the support of your fans?

I never understood this logic of blind support. If a restaurant opens in your town and the food is horrible people will stop eating there and it won’t survive. No one is expected to go night after night and spend good money to tolerate bad food, yet it’s expected with our sports teams.

Well I don't understand the mindset of only supporting your team if it is winning. The South is filled with fair weather fans...Atlanta is known for them.

ECU basketball is different in that the administration never made it a priority until they renovated Minges in 94, positioned themselves to get into CUSA in 2000 and then did fundraising for the practice facility. The reason that ended up getting funded is because they put a Hall of Fame into the project, which got some big supporters like David Garrard...it wasn't because ECU fans were interested in funding basketball.

I am referring to a culture at ECU...you have to be in it to understand it...its a the culture of the fanbase...its very SEC like. Auburn is a great example. They built a $100 million arena, pay Bruce Pearl $2.2 mill a year and are 27-77 in the SEC since Lebo left 6 years ago. They have SEC money...ECU does not. And LAX is not costing an arm and a leg like replacing the coach will (for possibly no benefit and no interest). At least there appears to be a benefit to the cost of the LAX team.

Just for reference, Bruce Pearl has been at Auburn for about 15 minutes (second season), finished this season with an RPI of 172 with an overall strength of schedule of 43 and a non-conference strength of schedule of 29. They also beat RPI #10 ranked Kentucky. Last season he finished with an RPI of 126.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if ECU could sniff a 170 and 126 RPI.

Just for reference Lebo had RPI's of 108 and 167 in his first two years at ecu.

(03-18-2016 12:04 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 04:08 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 07:52 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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I think the Pitt County/City of Greenville along with ECU could do a feasible basketball/ice hockey dual purpose arena. Carolina Ice Zone is an ok facility but the rink is smaller than regulation size for actual ice hockey even though our club team plays their home games there. And with the ice surface you could rent it out for ice skating, hockey and whatever else you want to do to make it a revenue generator out of season.

I honestly can't believe that you think that's a good idea. It really speaks to your IQ.

Adding D1 hockey is about a good idea as women's lax. At least D1 hockey would be cool and no one in the state plays at a true D1 level. And I would really like for you to elaborate how that would have anything to do with my IQ.

Its ECU and UConn's bargaining chip for B12 expansion.

They're both idiotic ideas. At least lacrosse he's some local teams.

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