(03-16-2016 09:10 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:07 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Gotta be a Title 9 thing...ECU could actually become pretty good at the sport...however don't expect any contact in the sport (hate the rules of women's lax)...and crowds of 1-200 are likely.

We're already Title IX compliant.

Stop thinking short term. We add women first, open up a new recruiting pipeline and connections with university's we rarely talk to normally. Then when it's a success we add men and we are certain we are still compliant and already have connections and pipelines.


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ECU is perfectly located to recruit kids both North (MD, NJ, Long Island, CNY) and the South (NC/GA/FL)

(03-16-2016 09:10 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:07 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Gotta be a Title 9 thing...ECU could actually become pretty good at the sport...however don't expect any contact in the sport (hate the rules of women's lax)...and crowds of 1-200 are likely.

We're already Title IX compliant.

Stop thinking short term. We add women first, open up a new recruiting pipeline and connections with university's we rarely talk to normally. Then when it's a success we add men and we are certain we are still compliant and already have connections and pipelines.


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Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:10 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:07 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Gotta be a Title 9 thing...ECU could actually become pretty good at the sport...however don't expect any contact in the sport (hate the rules of women's lax)...and crowds of 1-200 are likely.

We're already Title IX compliant.

Stop thinking short term. We add women first, open up a new recruiting pipeline and connections with university's we rarely talk to normally. Then when it's a success we add men and we are certain we are still compliant and already have connections and pipelines.


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Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

I think that is actually a better opportunity. Be the first true southeast hockey school.

(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:10 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:07 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Gotta be a Title 9 thing...ECU could actually become pretty good at the sport...however don't expect any contact in the sport (hate the rules of women's lax)...and crowds of 1-200 are likely.

We're already Title IX compliant.

Stop thinking short term. We add women first, open up a new recruiting pipeline and connections with university's we rarely talk to normally. Then when it's a success we add men and we are certain we are still compliant and already have connections and pipelines.


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Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Here's the issue, where would they play? Any possibility (current home, Minges, or somewhere new) either requires remodeling or a brand new building. That will tie up A LOT more money that LAX that can already use a prebuilt stadium that's not used in the Spring.

The soccer stadium will now have ticket and concession money coming in during the fall, spring, and a little bit of the summer as opposed to just the fall as before. That will lead to that part of the complex paying off its investment a lot quicker than it was pacing at.


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(03-16-2016 09:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:10 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:07 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Gotta be a Title 9 thing...ECU could actually become pretty good at the sport...however don't expect any contact in the sport (hate the rules of women's lax)...and crowds of 1-200 are likely.

We're already Title IX compliant.

Stop thinking short term. We add women first, open up a new recruiting pipeline and connections with university's we rarely talk to normally. Then when it's a success we add men and we are certain we are still compliant and already have connections and pipelines.


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Then we had better be going D1 for Men's Ice Hockey.

Are you being serious?

(03-16-2016 09:10 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:07 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Gotta be a Title 9 thing...ECU could actually become pretty good at the sport...however don't expect any contact in the sport (hate the rules of women's lax)...and crowds of 1-200 are likely.

We're already Title IX compliant.

Stop thinking short term. We add women first, open up a new recruiting pipeline and connections with university's we rarely talk to normally. Then when it's a success we add men and we are certain we are still compliant and already have connections and pipelines.


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With what money? We're barely getting by as it is. Our biggest $$$ taker and maker, football, isn't competitive with the top 3rd of the AAC regarding salaries. The coaching search shined a big, bright spotlight on that embarrassment. I'm really not sure where you guys come up with this stuff.

(03-16-2016 08:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I'm trying to get Igoe of HTC to do a FOIA request

why don't you do it? you're basically asking him to commit career suicide.

This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

Women's LAX each authorizes 12.0 scholarships each year. Pretty much no one would get a "full ride" and almost all get partials to some degree.

Men are authorized 12.6 scholarships

Ice Hockey is ridiculous if you do not already have a facility.

(03-17-2016 08:00 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I'm trying to get Igoe of HTC to do a FOIA request

why don't you do it? you're basically asking him to commit career suicide.

Not a reporter.
But you are killing me if the whole thing doesn't smell fishy.

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

This is amazing to me, you’re the person who told me that ECU couldn’t afford to be competitive in men’s basketball. Men’s basketball, a revenue generating sport that with a competitive program helps put NCAA tournament credits revenue in everyone’s pocket, even if you’re not the team making the tournament.

ECU can’t be competitive because you don’t have the money to make a coaching change, yet the school has the resources to add a brand new non-revenue start up sport? I know this has been in the works for some time now, but ECU basketball has performed at a well below average level for some time now also, and you’ve known you would be playing in a very competitive conference with a lot of programs who take men’s basketball very seriously for over 3 years.

Lots of people gave Temple University a lot of crap when they were forced to make the really tough decision, eliminate some non-revenue producing sports in order to go all in on the commitment to football and spend those resources there. Temple did it not only for the betterment of the university but to benefit the conference as well.

It amazes me that with all the talk about ECU being held out from a Big East invitation because the school had no commitment to basketball that the AD and administration at ECU wouldn’t be going out of their way to prove everyone wrong, instead you guys just feed the perception of no commitment.

Amazing and very frustrating.

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

All this plus the lack of a suitable hockey arena is why LAX was added. You just had to decide men vs women if you're not adding both together and women is easier to push through than men and having to make sure you stay compliant. Not to mention the men's sport already has top dogs while the women's sport seems to be easier to breakthrough.


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(03-17-2016 10:42 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

This is amazing to me, you’re the person who told me that ECU couldn’t afford to be competitive in men’s basketball. Men’s basketball, a revenue generating sport that with a competitive program helps put NCAA tournament credits revenue in everyone’s pocket, even if you’re not the team making the tournament.

ECU can’t be competitive because you don’t have the money to make a coaching change, yet the school has the resources to add a brand new non-revenue start up sport? I know this has been in the works for some time now, but ECU basketball has performed at a well below average level for some time now also, and you’ve known you would be playing in a very competitive conference with a lot of programs who take men’s basketball very seriously for over 3 years.

Lots of people gave Temple University a lot of crap when they were forced to make the really tough decision, eliminate some non-revenue producing sports in order to go all in on the commitment to football and spend those resources there. Temple did it not only for the betterment of the university but to benefit the conference as well.

It amazes me that with all the talk about ECU being held out from a Big East invitation because the school had no commitment to basketball that the AD and administration at ECU wouldn’t be going out of their way to prove everyone wrong, instead you guys just feed the perception of no commitment.

Amazing and very frustrating.

Or maybe we realize this has been in the works for a while and has no bearing on Lebo/basketball at all.

Also LAX as I stand earlier gives the soccer complex another revenue stream to help bring money into the program and pay off for the complex. I guarantee within 5 seasons we will b making the postseason and everyone will say it was a smart move adding the sport as it would be bringing in money that we otherwise would have had.

I hate people who just look short term because than they make rash choices/statements that will come back to bite them. Also some fans need to stop saying that because we did this, Lebo is going to stay as neither are connected to the other.


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I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

Talking to some NCSU athletic staff here Raleigh they think the add for ECU is to off set coming changes to men's scholarships (ie to stay compliant with Title 9). That could be in the form on an additional men's sport or something in response to the coming FCOA.

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 10:42 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

This is amazing to me, you’re the person who told me that ECU couldn’t afford to be competitive in men’s basketball. Men’s basketball, a revenue generating sport that with a competitive program helps put NCAA tournament credits revenue in everyone’s pocket, even if you’re not the team making the tournament.

ECU can’t be competitive because you don’t have the money to make a coaching change, yet the school has the resources to add a brand new non-revenue start up sport? I know this has been in the works for some time now, but ECU basketball has performed at a well below average level for some time now also, and you’ve known you would be playing in a very competitive conference with a lot of programs who take men’s basketball very seriously for over 3 years.

Lots of people gave Temple University a lot of crap when they were forced to make the really tough decision, eliminate some non-revenue producing sports in order to go all in on the commitment to football and spend those resources there. Temple did it not only for the betterment of the university but to benefit the conference as well.

It amazes me that with all the talk about ECU being held out from a Big East invitation because the school had no commitment to basketball that the AD and administration at ECU wouldn’t be going out of their way to prove everyone wrong, instead you guys just feed the perception of no commitment.

Amazing and very frustrating.

Or maybe we realize this has been in the works for a while and has no bearing on Lebo/basketball at all.

Also LAX as I stand earlier gives the soccer complex another revenue stream to help bring money into the program and pay off for the complex. I guarantee within 5 seasons we will b making the postseason and everyone will say it was a smart move adding the sport as it would be bringing in money that we otherwise would have had.

I hate people who just look short term because than they make rash choices/statements that will come back to bite them. Also some fans need to stop saying that because we did this, Lebo is going to stay as neither are connected to the other.


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Revenue stream into the soccer complex, how? My nephew plays D1 LAX at a name brand northeast LAX school, you know how many people attended the games? 2000 maybe if the weather was nice, and half of them were students who got in for free! Women LAX, you will be LUCKY to get 500 and most of them will be students. Yeah that extra $700 you make per game will put the complex right into the black!

That's great, in 5 years ECU's womens LAX team will be playing for a national championship but mens basketball will still have Lebo for a coach and a +200 RPI.

(03-17-2016 10:42 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

This is amazing to me, you’re the person who told me that ECU couldn’t afford to be competitive in men’s basketball. Men’s basketball, a revenue generating sport that with a competitive program helps put NCAA tournament credits revenue in everyone’s pocket, even if you’re not the team making the tournament.

ECU can’t be competitive because you don’t have the money to make a coaching change, yet the school has the resources to add a brand new non-revenue start up sport? I know this has been in the works for some time now, but ECU basketball has performed at a well below average level for some time now also, and you’ve known you would be playing in a very competitive conference with a lot of programs who take men’s basketball very seriously for over 3 years.

Lots of people gave Temple University a lot of crap when they were forced to make the really tough decision, eliminate some non-revenue producing sports in order to go all in on the commitment to football and spend those resources there. Temple did it not only for the betterment of the university but to benefit the conference as well.

It amazes me that with all the talk about ECU being held out from a Big East invitation because the school had no commitment to basketball that the AD and administration at ECU wouldn’t be going out of their way to prove everyone wrong, instead you guys just feed the perception of no commitment.

Amazing and very frustrating.

Pure insanity, isn't it? We have ECU fans almost literally talking out of both sides of their mouth on this stupidity. There's no reasoning with our BYB homers.

BTW, I applaud Temple's decision to cut sports. Unfortunately for G5's it's a neccessary evil (or should be) to compete in the 2 sports that matter. I wish ECU would have done the same.

(03-17-2016 10:42 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 09:56 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  This has been in the works for awhile...

NC has over 100 high schools with women's LAX and 1 public university that offers the sport, UNC.

So no competition with NC State, Charlotte, UNCW, App...for players.

It plays in the spring, women's soccer plays in the fall. ECU opened a brand new 1,000 seat stadium a few years back and a new Team building next to it. I believe Temple, Cincy and UConn currently play and play in the Big East with Nova, Butler...and they are looking at going into that league (which may be considered better than the CAA).

ECU will be able to utilize its facilities/programs to offer camps, tournaments, maybe even the NC High School Champ giving a bunch of exposure to ECU and its Olympic Sports Complex.

20th sport. I think ECU wants to be able to say that.

Certainly helps Title IX, more than say Golf, because of its 28 roster....and maybe, just maybe a men's sport would be added later. Some would like men's soccer back.

I like the move, get in early and get your program established before others do. As well, you can recruit private school kids with high academic scores.

What's the status of LAX in Florida...is this something UCF and USF may do?

This is amazing to me, you’re the person who told me that ECU couldn’t afford to be competitive in men’s basketball. Men’s basketball, a revenue generating sport that with a competitive program helps put NCAA tournament credits revenue in everyone’s pocket, even if you’re not the team making the tournament.

ECU can’t be competitive because you don’t have the money to make a coaching change, yet the school has the resources to add a brand new non-revenue start up sport? I know this has been in the works for some time now, but ECU basketball has performed at a well below average level for some time now also, and you’ve known you would be playing in a very competitive conference with a lot of programs who take men’s basketball very seriously for over 3 years.

Lots of people gave Temple University a lot of crap when they were forced to make the really tough decision, eliminate some non-revenue producing sports in order to go all in on the commitment to football and spend those resources there. Temple did it not only for the betterment of the university but to benefit the conference as well.

It amazes me that with all the talk about ECU being held out from a Big East invitation because the school had no commitment to basketball that the AD and administration at ECU wouldn’t be going out of their way to prove everyone wrong, instead you guys just feed the perception of no commitment.

Amazing and very frustrating.

Yes he did state that.

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

You say in one breath there is no commitment by your fans, but then in the next say the school had to beg fans to fund the new basketball practice facility and your fans did it, that’s a sign of support right there.

I guess I will ask you this, is it the fans responsibility to continue to donate blindly to a basketball program that it’s clear the admiration isn’t behind? You’re saying your fans should support a program that in the last 6 seasons hasn’t been inside the top 100 RPI once, and 3 times was +200. Shouldn’t it be the schools commitment to putting a quality program on the floor which will then earn the support of your fans?

I never understood this logic of blind support. If a restaurant opens in your town and the food is horrible people will stop eating there and it won’t survive. No one is expected to go night after night and spend good money to tolerate bad food, yet it’s expected with our sports teams.

(03-17-2016 12:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:29 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I never said that ECU couldn't afford to be competitive...I said that ECU fans haven't stepped up to be competitive. And the current coach has a 5 year deal.

If ECU fans would actually go to the games and fund the basketball facilities it needs, then ECU can become more competitive. Fans help the teams win home games, increase ticket revenue...and ECU had to BEG ECU fans to fund a practice facility addition. There is no commitment there by the fans.

That is the problem. And if some donor(s) want to buy out Lebo's contract...fine by me. I just said that ECU cant afford to pay two head basketball coaches for the next 5 years...not at the market rate.

Paying for women LAX when you already have the space and facilities and you are using student fee's that built the facility...I see no problem with that...especially if it will be competitive, which it appears it can be in NC.

I have supported ECU basketball for 25 years...attended games...and watched as ECU fans acted like the team didn't exist...and you are right, that mindset toward basketball is exactly why the Big East wasn't interested in ECU.

You say in one breath there is no commitment by your fans, but then in the next say the school had to beg fans to fund the new basketball practice facility and your fans did it, that’s a sign of support right there.

I guess I will ask you this, is it the fans responsibility to continue to donate blindly to a basketball program that it’s clear the admiration isn’t behind? You’re saying your fans should support a program that in the last 6 seasons hasn’t been inside the top 100 RPI once, and 3 times was +200. Shouldn’t it be the schools commitment to putting a quality program on the floor which will then earn the support of your fans?

I never understood this logic of blind support. If a restaurant opens in your town and the food is horrible people will stop eating there and it won’t survive. No one is expected to go night after night and spend good money to tolerate bad food, yet it’s expected with our sports teams.

Don't try to reason with the ECU fringe, they are as bad as European based soccer fans. Their emotions are essentially a roller coaster based on the team's latest result.

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