(03-21-2016 12:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 10:35 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  If the Big 12 is going to legitimately compete with the SEC and B1G LONG TERM, then the Big 12 is going to have to go after new, legit markets. And I think it has to be a football decision, not basketball.

IMO, Cincy is in. Ohio is a great market. Football is legit now. Who goes with them? I think that's the holdup. Houston is the best football program in the AAC, but the politics work against them. Boise State, BYU, AFA, and CSU are MW markets. USF, UCF, and UConn are newbies to FBS but have attractive markets. Memphis' erratic football history could look different in a few more years.

Cincy, Houston, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU would be bold additions if all grabbed at once. Fertile markets that would explode if the horns and sooners visited them regularly. Those schools could then legitimately compete with their SEC, ACC, and B1G neighbors. P5 power balance would shift over time. How patient would the horns and sooners be? Big question.

I disagree with this. Some schools have an upper limit on their success.

Consider why Montana never jumped to FBS. They have better fan support & facilities than a lot of FBS schools already. But they are also in a very small state - there's only about 350,000 people within 200 miles of Missoula. They already get 30% of all adult males within 200 miles to an average game - how much higher can their support go?

East Carolina faces a similar problem as Montana. No matter what happens, ECU will never get bigger than UNC or NCSU. They are in a remote part of the state far from the population centers.

The other 5 you mentioned have the population base to be successful - they COULD be big. But there's a big drawback - sharing a city with professional teams means that you'll only be popular when you're winning. Just look at the support that Pitt and Georgia Tech get when they're not winning national titles. And since you can't have 5 great teams at once in the same conference, at least some of them will drag the conference down every year even if the Sooners and Longhorns are coming to town.

The lack of the NFL is a big advantage Memphis has.

Of course, its also a smaller school with a smaller endowment in a smaller metro area with smaller average incomes.

But not many other schools reside in a good population media market that goes into 4 different states (network purposes). Although the SEC has proven the South can win the money game with even smaller media markets.

^They outdrew their market on several occasions this past season. IMO, academics is the biggest knock against and the highest hurdle to overcome. It's something that doesn't change overnight, but does appear to be headed in the right direction. Within the last couple of years, the acceptance rate has dropped from 70+% to less than 50%. The term smart growth has been used in describing future student body demographics. Their own BOR should also pay dividends in the kinds and numbers of degrees conferred as well as aid in growing the endowment...esp. if a med school can get off the ground in either Memphis or Jackson.

1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

(03-21-2016 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

Dude, where are you getting your numbers from??

Cincinnati football went 94-47 over that ten year period you're citing. My math says (out of 141 games total) that's more like .667, not .510.

(03-21-2016 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

A comparison of percentage of wins over the last ten years would actually mean something if all the listed teams were in the same league playing the same opponents. But they weren't. Mississippi State, for example, has a much tougher schedule, year in and year out, than Miami of Ohio.

(03-21-2016 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

So. The Big 12 should invite Miami, not Cincinnati! That's a plus academically. And fans might tune in more thinking it was U of, not Miami U.

KSU is 74-53 over the last 10 seasons and that includes 100% of the Ron Prince years

that is 58.27% not 44.9%

Nobody ever got a job by saying "But I compare favorably with your least valuable employees!"

J/S

(03-21-2016 05:10 PM)UCBEast Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

Dude, where are you getting your numbers from??

Cincinnati football went 94-47 over that ten year period you're citing. My math says (out of 141 games total) that's more like .667, not .510.

:lmfao:These numbers are so off. Miami of Ohio at .600? I have them at 40-93. WTF?

(03-21-2016 09:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Nobody ever got a job by saying "But I compare favorably with your least valuable employees!"

J/S

uh A&M got in the SEC...

(03-21-2016 05:10 PM)UCBEast Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

Dude, where are you getting your numbers from??

Cincinnati football went 94-47 over that ten year period you're citing. My math says (out of 141 games total) that's more like .667, not .510.

Just went back to the site, and they corrected the mistake. It is the all time winning percentage from the start in the late 1800s until after the bowl games. But, there are still a lot of gaps like they show Old Dominion only have 7 years of football when they played football before they dropped it at D1 level. Boise State's football is close to 100 years of playing, not 48.

(03-21-2016 07:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.Boise State .723 from 2005 to 2015 for winning percentage of wins.
2.Old Dominion .695
3.Georgia Southern .649
4.Appalachian State .639
5.Miami Ohio .600
6.Central Michigan .598
7.Western Kentucky .590
8.Bowling Green .589
9.Fresno State .588
10.Southern Mississippi .581
11.BYU .578
15.San Diego State .559
19.South Florida .553
24.Air Force .543
25.Northern Illinois .541
26.Houston .541
30.UCF .522
31.East Carolina .520
33.Cincinnati .510
42.UConn. .481
43.Memphis .481
45.Colorado State .476
47.Tulane .452
48.New Mexico .451
50.Temple .447

I added the top ten and added the schools that have been mentioned as candidate for expansion.
Look at how some of these schools stack up with P5 schools.

Vanderbilt .496
Duke .495
Kentucky .494
Mississippi State .490
Kansas .488
Washington State .487
Oregon State .479
Iowa State .451
Kansas State .449
Northwestern .445
Indiana .419
Wake Forest .407

Boise State is tops to help the credibility of the Big 12 for strength. I do think they don't mine Boise State since they would be like TCU, Baylor and West Virginia as not heavy weights in academics. Yeah, they would be on the lower end, but Boise State does bring sports that not all of the Big 12 schools have, and that is wrestling.

So. The Big 12 should invite Miami, not Cincinnati! That's a plus academically. And fans might tune in more thinking it was U of, not Miami U.

Yes this needs to happen.

I've packed my bags