(03-19-2016 11:52 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 08:11 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 05:32 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 04:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  Sense some "Eastern" Carolina Butthurt...as for Louisville academics we are right there with Mississippi State and West Virginia...Mississippi State slightly ahead of Louisville and WVU slightly behind Louisville according to U.S.News and World Report...all 3 way ahead of Boise State and ECU...you'll be alright...

LOL... When you measure your accademic reputation with WVU and Mississippi State...

And Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State, and Kansas State.

How does an intelligent Bearcat spell "academic"? That's a trick question. We all know they spell it ACCADEMIC
Oh, well.

I know right...the point being Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Texas Tech all have basically the same national ranking...

And it is useful for most reasonable people to understand that Louisville has made much more headway in most USNWR measures than most all P5 schools. By every single measure that USNWR uses, the University of Louisville is advancing. And by some, dramatically.

I do not think, when compared 10 years from now, that Louisville's P5 USNWR cohort will be OK St, K-State, WVU and TT. Instead it will be universities such as Florida State and NC State.

Not even worried about the long term where we are at now in the USNWR Rankings...just took issue with ECU honk taking a cheap shot at Louisville and another former conference mate taking up for with the UC Fan...to be fair most of our former conference mates aren't like them...

(03-19-2016 12:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:52 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 08:11 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 05:32 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  LOL... When you measure your accademic reputation with WVU and Mississippi State...

And Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State, and Kansas State.

How does an intelligent Bearcat spell "academic"? That's a trick question. We all know they spell it ACCADEMIC
Oh, well.

I know right...the point being Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Texas Tech all have basically the same national ranking...

And it is useful for most reasonable people to understand that Louisville has made much more headway in most USNWR measures than most all P5 schools. By every single measure that USNWR uses, the University of Louisville is advancing. And by some, dramatically.

I do not think, when compared 10 years from now, that Louisville's P5 USNWR cohort will be OK St, K-State, WVU and TT. Instead it will be universities such as Florida State and NC State.

Not even worried about the long term where we are at now in the USNWR Rankings...just took issue with ECU honk taking a cheap shot at Louisville and another former conference mate taking up for with the UC Fan...to be fair most of our former conference mates aren't like them...

To be fair most ECU fans don't come on your board trolling with ridiculous ideas about the ACC adding or back filling with schools that have no bussiness being added, giving back handed compliments and trying to incite panic with dooms day scenarios for the conference.
Example: "I heard about _____(made up thing)___, what are you guys going to do now??" You know what I'm talking about.
Cheers!

(03-19-2016 12:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:52 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 08:11 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  And Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State, and Kansas State.

How does an intelligent Bearcat spell "academic"? That's a trick question. We all know they spell it ACCADEMIC
Oh, well.

I know right...the point being Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Texas Tech all have basically the same national ranking...

And it is useful for most reasonable people to understand that Louisville has made much more headway in most USNWR measures than most all P5 schools. By every single measure that USNWR uses, the University of Louisville is advancing. And by some, dramatically.

I do not think, when compared 10 years from now, that Louisville's P5 USNWR cohort will be OK St, K-State, WVU and TT. Instead it will be universities such as Florida State and NC State.

Not even worried about the long term where we are at now in the USNWR Rankings...just took issue with ECU honk taking a cheap shot at Louisville and another former conference mate taking up for with the UC Fan...to be fair most of our former conference mates aren't like them...

To be fair most ECU fans don't come on your board trolling with ridiculous ideas about the ACC adding or back filling with schools that have no bussiness being added, giving back handed compliments and trying to incite panic with dooms day scenarios for the conference.
Example: "I heard about _____(made up thing)___, what are you guys going to do now??" You know what I'm talking about.
Cheers!

And most Louisville ppl don't troll ECU or the AAC....I know I don't...I actually have no issue with either and want you to succeed...take it up with the "Louisville Individuals" that do this...I never forgot where Louisville came from...just saying.

(03-19-2016 12:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:52 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  I know right...the point being Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Texas Tech all have basically the same national ranking...

And it is useful for most reasonable people to understand that Louisville has made much more headway in most USNWR measures than most all P5 schools. By every single measure that USNWR uses, the University of Louisville is advancing. And by some, dramatically.

I do not think, when compared 10 years from now, that Louisville's P5 USNWR cohort will be OK St, K-State, WVU and TT. Instead it will be universities such as Florida State and NC State.

Not even worried about the long term where we are at now in the USNWR Rankings...just took issue with ECU honk taking a cheap shot at Louisville and another former conference mate taking up for with the UC Fan...to be fair most of our former conference mates aren't like them...

To be fair most ECU fans don't come on your board trolling with ridiculous ideas about the ACC adding or back filling with schools that have no bussiness being added, giving back handed compliments and trying to incite panic with dooms day scenarios for the conference.
Example: "I heard about _____(made up thing)___, what are you guys going to do now??" You know what I'm talking about.
Cheers!

And most Louisville ppl don't troll ECU or the AAC....I know I don't...I actually have no issue with either and want you to succeed...take it up with the "Louisville Individuals" that do this...I never forgot where Louisville came from...just saying.

Actually, I thought I saw the icon showing a guy drinking coffee in the exchange. The poster I'm referring to uses that. My bad, I thought said poster was in on this exchange. Cheers!

Wilkie...lol...gotcha...

THe university of Louisville's biggest issue with academic rankings are the drag from
A still large number of non-traditional students, many who have their tuition paid by local companies in partnership with the school, who don't graduate or graduate beyond the six year clock used for rankings. The central location of the school and the general layout of the city (it is one of the larger cities where you can get from
Any one place in the city to another in 30 mins) attracts a larger number of non-traditional students than most other colleges in P5 conferences. In most other categories it would probably rank around the 80-85th percentile of other P5 schools. Still not top tier obviously, but not horrible and certainly not dragging the bottom.

(03-19-2016 12:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:52 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  I know right...the point being Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Texas Tech all have basically the same national ranking...

And it is useful for most reasonable people to understand that Louisville has made much more headway in most USNWR measures than most all P5 schools. By every single measure that USNWR uses, the University of Louisville is advancing. And by some, dramatically.

I do not think, when compared 10 years from now, that Louisville's P5 USNWR cohort will be OK St, K-State, WVU and TT. Instead it will be universities such as Florida State and NC State.

Not even worried about the long term where we are at now in the USNWR Rankings...just took issue with ECU honk taking a cheap shot at Louisville and another former conference mate taking up for with the UC Fan...to be fair most of our former conference mates aren't like them...

To be fair most ECU fans don't come on your board trolling with ridiculous ideas about the ACC adding or back filling with schools that have no bussiness being added, giving back handed compliments and trying to incite panic with dooms day scenarios for the conference.
Example: "I heard about _____(made up thing)___, what are you guys going to do now??" You know what I'm talking about.
Cheers!

And most Louisville ppl don't troll ECU or the AAC....I know I don't...I actually have no issue with either and want you to succeed...take it up with the "Louisville Individuals" that do this...I never forgot where Louisville came from...just saying.

I concur. Have you tried talking it to your board moderator & have them banned from the AAC board?

(03-18-2016 04:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 11:41 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:47 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If the Big 12 chooses Boise State, travel distance, academics, tradition and market size don't matter nearly as much as I always thought.

Didn't the ACC choosing Louisville prove that academics and tradition don't matter nearly as much as we thought? A pro team with a college attached to it playing their athletics in venues named Pappa Johns Pizza Stadium and KFC burp! Fart! Arena. Boise with its gimmicky blue Albertsons grocery stadium and Taco Bell Smell Gym fit right in. Louisville getting into the country club should give Boise hope and add an extra stench to the club. I say fill the county club toilets up.
Cheers!

Sense some "Eastern" Carolina Butthurt...as for Louisville academics we are right there with Mississippi State and West Virginia...Mississippi State slightly ahead of Louisville and WVU slightly behind Louisville according to U.S.News and World Report...all 3 way ahead of Boise State and ECU...you'll be alright...

I get where you're coming from but ECU is currently #194, WVU is #175, & UL is #168. Pretty much all in the same ballpark. Meanwhile Boise St isn't even considered a National University.

(03-19-2016 07:41 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  To be fair most ECU fans don't come on your board trolling with ridiculous ideas about the ACC adding or back filling with schools that have no bussiness being added, giving back handed compliments and trying to incite panic with dooms day scenarios for the conference.
Example: "I heard about _____(made up thing)___, what are you guys going to do now??" You know what I'm talking about.
Cheers!

And most Louisville ppl don't troll ECU or the AAC....I know I don't...I actually have no issue with either and want you to succeed...take it up with the "Louisville Individuals" that do this...I never forgot where Louisville came from...just saying.

I concur. Have you tried talking it to your board moderator & have them banned from the AAC board?

I'll have to say if there is a UL troll in the lot I am not aware of one. I think Cardinal Nation is a great, respectable fan base. I can't say that for some on my AAC conference mates however.

Eh... A typo while typing on the little, touch sensitive keyboard on my I-phone. Sue me.

(03-19-2016 08:45 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 04:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 11:41 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:47 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If the Big 12 chooses Boise State, travel distance, academics, tradition and market size don't matter nearly as much as I always thought.

Didn't the ACC choosing Louisville prove that academics and tradition don't matter nearly as much as we thought? A pro team with a college attached to it playing their athletics in venues named Pappa Johns Pizza Stadium and KFC burp! Fart! Arena. Boise with its gimmicky blue Albertsons grocery stadium and Taco Bell Smell Gym fit right in. Louisville getting into the country club should give Boise hope and add an extra stench to the club. I say fill the county club toilets up.
Cheers!

Sense some "Eastern" Carolina Butthurt...as for Louisville academics we are right there with Mississippi State and West Virginia...Mississippi State slightly ahead of Louisville and WVU slightly behind Louisville according to U.S.News and World Report...all 3 way ahead of Boise State and ECU...you'll be alright...

I get where you're coming from but ECU is currently #194, WVU is #175, & UL is #168. Pretty much all in the same ballpark. Meanwhile Boise St isn't even considered a National University.

The reason Boise State have always been mention is because the money that they can bring to any conference. With their success, and getting a fan following that is growing bigger each day where they do get like 2 million viewers to tune into their games is remarkable for a school that is not known for their academics. Academics are not the #1 issue for adding a school to a conference anymore. It has to do with what could draw money in for a conference.

(03-19-2016 09:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 08:45 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 04:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 11:41 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:47 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If the Big 12 chooses Boise State, travel distance, academics, tradition and market size don't matter nearly as much as I always thought.

Didn't the ACC choosing Louisville prove that academics and tradition don't matter nearly as much as we thought? A pro team with a college attached to it playing their athletics in venues named Pappa Johns Pizza Stadium and KFC burp! Fart! Arena. Boise with its gimmicky blue Albertsons grocery stadium and Taco Bell Smell Gym fit right in. Louisville getting into the country club should give Boise hope and add an extra stench to the club. I say fill the county club toilets up.
Cheers!

Sense some "Eastern" Carolina Butthurt...as for Louisville academics we are right there with Mississippi State and West Virginia...Mississippi State slightly ahead of Louisville and WVU slightly behind Louisville according to U.S.News and World Report...all 3 way ahead of Boise State and ECU...you'll be alright...

I get where you're coming from but ECU is currently #194, WVU is #175, & UL is #168. Pretty much all in the same ballpark. Meanwhile Boise St isn't even considered a National University.

The reason Boise State have always been mention is because the money that they can bring to any conference. With their success, and getting a fan following that is growing bigger each day where they do get like 2 million viewers to tune into their games is remarkable for a school that is not known for their academics. Academics are not the #1 issue for adding a school to a conference anymore. It has to do with what could draw money in for a conference.

Texas and Oklahoma would N-E-V-E-R share the same conference with Boise State...it is going to be hard enough for a Houston, UConn, Cincinnati and BYU to crack into the Big XII

Boise is a great football school.

But they'll never convince 10 college presidents (i.e., the decision makers) to sign off on adding Boise while their 4-year graduation rate sits at 12%. It's improved a lot over the past few years (when I looked 3 years ago it was 6%), but Boise's still got a long way to go before academics view them as more than a glorified community college. I hope they do make it because it's a great passionate fanbase and it's in a great city.

(03-20-2016 12:25 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Boise is a great football school.

But they'll never convince 10 college presidents (i.e., the decision makers) to sign off on adding Boise while their 4-year graduation rate sits at 12%. It's improved a lot over the past few years (when I looked 3 years ago it was 6%), but Boise's still got a long way to go before academics view them as more than a glorified community college. I hope they do make it because it's a great passionate fanbase and it's in a great city.

That is the problem. They want to earn money, but they want to add schools like UConn who does not have a rabid fanbase like Boise State does.

(03-20-2016 07:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:25 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Boise is a great football school.

But they'll never convince 10 college presidents (i.e., the decision makers) to sign off on adding Boise while their 4-year graduation rate sits at 12%. It's improved a lot over the past few years (when I looked 3 years ago it was 6%), but Boise's still got a long way to go before academics view them as more than a glorified community college. I hope they do make it because it's a great passionate fanbase and it's in a great city.

That is the problem. They want to earn money, but they want to add schools like UConn who does not have a rabid fanbase like Boise State does.

But UConn is a Elite Basketball Brand across the board and they are in the NYC Market...

If the Big 12 is going to legitimately compete with the SEC and B1G LONG TERM, then the Big 12 is going to have to go after new, legit markets. And I think it has to be a football decision, not basketball.

IMO, Cincy is in. Ohio is a great market. Football is legit now. Who goes with them? I think that's the holdup. Houston is the best football program in the AAC, but the politics work against them. Boise State, BYU, AFA, and CSU are MW markets. USF, UCF, and UConn are newbies to FBS but have attractive markets. Memphis' erratic football history could look different in a few more years.

Cincy, Houston, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU would be bold additions if all grabbed at once. Fertile markets that would explode if the horns and sooners visited them regularly. Those schools could then legitimately compete with their SEC, ACC, and B1G neighbors. P5 power balance would shift over time. How patient would the horns and sooners be? Big question.

(03-19-2016 12:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  ...I never forgot where Louisville came from.......

No, I don't think you have, but it seems that most UL fans did. Humans are humans and the nouveau riche will always be what they are, for the most part. I envy you and only wish Memphis fans could follow suit.

(03-20-2016 10:35 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  If the Big 12 is going to legitimately compete with the SEC and B1G LONG TERM, then the Big 12 is going to have to go after new, legit markets. And I think it has to be a football decision, not basketball.

IMO, Cincy is in. Ohio is a great market. Football is legit now. Who goes with them? I think that's the holdup. Houston is the best football program in the AAC, but the politics work against them. Boise State, BYU, AFA, and CSU are MW markets. USF, UCF, and UConn are newbies to FBS but have attractive markets. Memphis' erratic football history could look different in a few more years.

Cincy, Houston, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU would be bold additions if all grabbed at once. Fertile markets that would explode if the horns and sooners visited them regularly. Those schools could then legitimately compete with their SEC, ACC, and B1G neighbors. P5 power balance would shift over time. How patient would the horns and sooners be? Big question.

The thing is the Big XII no matter who they add will be able to compete with the B1G & SEC...The same applies IMO to the ACC...make lemonade and grab UConn Basketball.

(03-20-2016 10:50 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 12:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  ...I never forgot where Louisville came from.......

No, I don't think you have, but it seems that most UL fans did. Humans are humans and the nouveau riche will always be what they are, for the most part. I envy you and only wish Memphis fans could follow suit.

My interaction with Louisville fans outside of message boards is most haven't forgotten...but I do get your point.

(03-20-2016 10:35 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  If the Big 12 is going to legitimately compete with the SEC and B1G LONG TERM, then the Big 12 is going to have to go after new, legit markets. And I think it has to be a football decision, not basketball.

IMO, Cincy is in. Ohio is a great market. Football is legit now. Who goes with them? I think that's the holdup. Houston is the best football program in the AAC, but the politics work against them. Boise State, BYU, AFA, and CSU are MW markets. USF, UCF, and UConn are newbies to FBS but have attractive markets. Memphis' erratic football history could look different in a few more years.

Cincy, Houston, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU would be bold additions if all grabbed at once. Fertile markets that would explode if the horns and sooners visited them regularly. Those schools could then legitimately compete with their SEC, ACC, and B1G neighbors. P5 power balance would shift over time. How patient would the horns and sooners be? Big question.

I disagree with this. Some schools have an upper limit on their success.

Consider why Montana never jumped to FBS. They have better fan support & facilities than a lot of FBS schools already. But they are also in a very small state - there's only about 350,000 people within 200 miles of Missoula. They already get 30% of all adult males within 200 miles to an average game - how much higher can their support go?

East Carolina faces a similar problem as Montana. No matter what happens, ECU will never get bigger than UNC or NCSU. They are in a remote part of the state far from the population centers.

The other 5 you mentioned have the population base to be successful - they COULD be big. But there's a big drawback - sharing a city with professional teams means that you'll only be popular when you're winning. Just look at the support that Pitt and Georgia Tech get when they're not winning national titles. And since you can't have 5 great teams at once in the same conference, at least some of them will drag the conference down every year even if the Sooners and Longhorns are coming to town.

(03-21-2016 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 10:35 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  If the Big 12 is going to legitimately compete with the SEC and B1G LONG TERM, then the Big 12 is going to have to go after new, legit markets. And I think it has to be a football decision, not basketball.

IMO, Cincy is in. Ohio is a great market. Football is legit now. Who goes with them? I think that's the holdup. Houston is the best football program in the AAC, but the politics work against them. Boise State, BYU, AFA, and CSU are MW markets. USF, UCF, and UConn are newbies to FBS but have attractive markets. Memphis' erratic football history could look different in a few more years.

Cincy, Houston, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU would be bold additions if all grabbed at once. Fertile markets that would explode if the horns and sooners visited them regularly. Those schools could then legitimately compete with their SEC, ACC, and B1G neighbors. P5 power balance would shift over time. How patient would the horns and sooners be? Big question.

I disagree with this. Some schools have an upper limit on their success.

Consider why Montana never jumped to FBS. They have better fan support & facilities than a lot of FBS schools already. But they are also in a very small state - there's only about 350,000 people within 200 miles of Missoula. They already get 30% of all adult males within 200 miles to an average game - how much higher can their support go?

East Carolina faces a similar problem as Montana. No matter what happens, ECU will never get bigger than UNC or NCSU. They are in a remote part of the state far from the population centers.

The other 5 you mentioned have the population base to be successful - they COULD be big. But there's a big drawback - sharing a city with professional teams means that you'll only be popular when you're winning. Just look at the support that Pitt and Georgia Tech get when they're not winning national titles. And since you can't have 5 great teams at once in the same conference, at least some of them will drag the conference down every year even if the Sooners and Longhorns are coming to town.

The lack of the NFL is a big advantage Memphis has.

Of course, its also a smaller school with a smaller endowment in a smaller metro area with smaller average incomes.