(02-23-2016 01:25 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 12:34 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 04:43 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Yes. But so does Kentucky, kansas, louisville, and UNC

Why not Duke ?

Ask Corey Maggette, Lance Thomas, Chris Duhon how clean Duke is.....

Duke is going to get away with it -- again. Eleven years after it used an ineligible player to reach the 1999 Final Four, Duke apparently used an ineligible player in 2010 when it won the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...lue-devils

(02-23-2016 01:34 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 01:25 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 12:34 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 04:43 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Yes. But so does Kentucky, kansas, louisville, and UNC

Why not Duke ?

Ask Corey Maggette, Lance Thomas, Chris Duhon how clean Duke is.....

Duke is going to get away with it -- again. Eleven years after it used an ineligible player to reach the 1999 Final Four, Duke apparently used an ineligible player in 2010 when it won the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...lue-devils

They were already cleared in 2013...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...welry-case

Of course they were.

(02-22-2016 05:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 04:20 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  Since Bartow...
Wayne Yates: 0 S16's in 5 yrs = Fired
Dana Kirk - Cheated
Finch: 2 S16's in 11 years = Fired
Tic/JJ era: 3 seasons, no NCAA = Fired
Calipari: Cheated
Pastner: 0 S16's in 7 years = Fired

Pastner isn't incorrect about our program's history. But if you don't cheat, you also don't keep your job. That's also a part of Tiger history.

Going by your standards

Roy Williams...Cheated
Mike K...Cheated

Does that invalidate any other accomplishments they had.

Nope, and I didn't invalidate anyone's accomplishments. I'm pointing out that Pastner is somewhat correct in what he said. And also, that since he wants to play the history game, he should also expect to be fired.

(02-22-2016 04:31 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Why leave out Bartow?

Bc that was the first Sweet 16. Therefore, there was no expectation of Sweet 16's before him.

(02-23-2016 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 11:10 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 10:55 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 03:45 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  A) Do we have to cheat in order to meet the expectations (Sweet 16 every 4-5 years)

B) Are expectations too high - because almost half of the time we've made the Sweet 16, we've cheated to get there.

Vernon was talking about this today...curious?

He wasn't asking about Auburn football...

Wrong again.

Number of Times SEC Schools have been Given Major NCAA Penalties Since 1995:

Alabama – 3 (2009, 2002, 1995)

Mississippi State – 2 (2004, 1996)

South Carolina – 2 (2012, 2005)

Tennessee – 1 (2012)

LSU – 1 (2011)

Arkansas -1 (2003)

Kentucky – 1 (2002)

Georgia – 1 (1997)

Auburn – ZERO


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you are so easy....

Simple answer: Yes

(02-22-2016 10:00 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 08:02 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I couldn't care less. Learn how to do it well, whatever level. That kid from Duke never had to answer for that $100k in jewelry he just magically could afford, and Calipari's system is well-known and in the open, and they still allow it exist. They put his ___ in the HOF for Pete's sake despite the trail of destruction. So, when the NCAA actively allows cheating the way they do and applies rules unevenly and unfairly, I almost think it's unethical NOT to compete on the same plane as these other examples - call it what you will.

Yeah, we got probation, kentucky got a championship. Who brought drose here? The u of m or calipari and his agent? That whole situation and some of the dirt covered up early at kentucky sums up the ncaa.

You got it. UMass probation. Memphis probation. Kentucky national champ. Think about it.

(02-23-2016 10:55 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, Dayton, San Diego State. All non-P5 programs that have won big recently. If they can do it than I suppose we can too right?


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You don't seriously believe Steve Fisher isn't cheating, do you?

(02-23-2016 11:28 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  It was ONE flight from what I remember. Reggie Rose attended basically every game. If anyone is at fault it's Doo Dah. Of course we all know nothing will happen to him.

Not just one flight. Also hotel stays. AOB had CC number on file and didn't run it. The .pdf report is out there and I'm not going looking for it.

Even so, you can never say for sure but I doubt we vacate wins over just that.

(02-23-2016 06:55 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 10:55 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, Dayton, San Diego State. All non-P5 programs that have won big recently. If they can do it than I suppose we can too right?


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You don't seriously believe Steve Fisher isn't cheating, do you?

No I'm saying these are all non p5 programs that win without cheating. Why can't we?


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(02-24-2016 07:15 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 06:55 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 10:55 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Butler, VCU, Gonzaga, Dayton, San Diego State. All non-P5 programs that have won big recently. If they can do it than I suppose we can too right?


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You don't seriously believe Steve Fisher isn't cheating, do you?

No I'm saying these are all non p5 programs that win without cheating. Why can't we?


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I'm saying they are all "cheating", and you are fooling yourself if you think they aren't.

Can you definitively say that these programs are cheating? Can you definitively say Josh Pastner hasn't? It's all speculation isn't it?


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My point is if ANY of the non p5 programs can win without cheating than so can Memphis. And I'd argue Memphis has more resources and is traditionally a better program than any I've listed above. So the idea that Memphis can win big without cheating is a farce. Brad Stevens coached up one NBA player and a bunch of nobodies to back to back final fours. How many of Shaka's guys at VCU were NBA guys when he made his ncaa runs? How about Wichita State?


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(02-24-2016 09:48 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Can you definitively say that these programs are cheating? Can you definitively say Josh Pastner hasn't? It's all speculation isn't it?


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I never said Josh Pastner hasn't. I would even say he's really good at it because he keeps that clean cut image, similar to some of the names you mentioned.

I admit I am cynical about major college athletics, but I have witnessed some things that have made me that way.

(02-24-2016 10:14 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(02-24-2016 09:48 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Can you definitively say that these programs are cheating? Can you definitively say Josh Pastner hasn't? It's all speculation isn't it?


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I never said Josh Pastner hasn't. I would even say he's really good at it because he keeps that clean cut image, similar to some of the names you mentioned.

I admit I am cynical about major college athletics, but I have witnessed some things that have made me that way.

No need to be cynical it's just a business now. When you really look and realize none of these guys are majoring in anything that can bring a good job except in the coaching field, it will help you "get it". People like GA think it's about academics


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(02-22-2016 03:45 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  A) Do we have to cheat in order to meet the expectations (Sweet 16 every 4-5 years)

B) Are expectations too high - because almost half of the time we've made the Sweet 16, we've cheated to get there.

Vernon was talking about this today...curious?

I dont think so. Assuming Pastner didnt cheat to recruit, the issue I've had since observing the difference between him and Sean Miller at the NCAA tourney is helping highly rated players reach or approach their NBA potential. Dont really need to cheat too much there, whether it's in practice or in game motivation and adjustments. On court, it's ability of the coach that shouldnt involve boosters, money, grade skewing (again, ON court). And thats where Pastner never seemed to improve.

With the rankings of our classes, we shouldve easily met the expectations you listed with an average x/o coach.

Now, will a better on court decelopmental coach be able to recruit as well? I think our unique takent base should allow good if not great recuiting classes.

However, there may be aome artificial manipulation of the post-Pastner narrative simplifying his failure as ine of not ch eating. If that takes hold, it will lower expectations of everyone regarding toletrance for cheating to win at Memohis. That would be a delusional distortion of reality in my opinion.

Too many people try to redefine the average as excellence, and wven worse, the mediocre as average. Dont permit the reduction of expectations, for yourself, or in other areas of life.

Does Xavier have to cheat? Does Wichita St? Does Butler? Does Gonzaga? Can we at least get back to their level? Or is that too much to ask?