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Possible B12 move on the way? AAC looking to be prepared?
Tweet from @FigurelliSports:
NIU, W. Kentucky, S. Miss and La Tech have all been contacted by the AAC. S. Miss is the legit option that I know of

A tweet earlier from him:
Just had a 3rd party (SB nation) confirm what I said about S. Miss, NIU, Memphis, CSU and etc. more details to come from @SBNation myself

Or is this a move to expand the league? Do they wanna go 14-16 teams in the AAC?

Obviously this means nothing is guaranteed, but where there is smoke...

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RE: Possible B12 move on the way? AAC looking to be prepared?
(02-21-2016 12:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Tweet from @FigurelliSports:
NIU, W. Kentucky, S. Miss and La Tech have all been contacted by the AAC. S. Miss is the legit option that I know of

A tweet earlier from him:
Just had a 3rd party (SB nation) confirm what I said about S. Miss, NIU, Memphis, CSU and etc. more details to come from @SBNation myself

Or is this a move to expand the league? Do they wanna go 14-16 teams in the AAC?

Obviously this means nothing is guaranteed, but where there is smoke...

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No way the AAC moves above 12. Same source indicating Colorado St was not contacted. I'd be shocked if the the AAC didn't even bother to reach out to Air Force and Colorado St. Makes me skeptical of this report. One of the schools listed as a candidate has an athletic budget of 19 million, which would be a huge outlier in the AAC. This list of 4 candidates doesn't make much sense, especially since the teams being replaced are northeastern schools from the AAC Eastern division.
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RE: Possible B12 move on the way? AAC looking to be prepared?
Just potential moves in the Big 12 did expand. I'm not going to get into all of the other stuff for the various moves.
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I always felt that if AAC looses two team, then the next up are NIU and S Miss.
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(02-21-2016 12:41 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Just potential moves in the Big 12 did expand. I'm not going to get into all of the other stuff for the various moves.

Makes sense for the AAC to study contingencies.
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(02-21-2016 12:46 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  I always felt that if AAC looses two team, then the next up are NIU and S Miss.
That would be my ideal scenario as well, but i can only sit here and hope as a fan

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RE: Possible B12 move on the way? AAC looking to be prepared?
To move Air Force anywhere, it's going to take some of its regional mates to force that consideration. That, more than just Navy, was sort of the deal with their earlier dalliances with the Big East/AAC. If the AAC tries for Air Force again, and I suspect they'll ask them and Army for the millionth time, they'll pose it to both Colorado schools. But, honestly...if the AAC is what Colorado State's been sitting on to push through that OCS, debt and all, either no wonder people don't pony up the dough out there, or it's time for our friends in the government to shut this crap down.

It's brutal watching Temple trying to justify an OCS. Haven't heard or read a relevant or tangible metric to justify why it must be done, unless "just because we can because we own the land" flies for tax-exempt institutions these days.

What are these schools sitting on, and why are they allowed to sit on it?
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(02-21-2016 01:07 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  To move Air Force anywhere, it's going to take some of its regional mates to force that consideration. That, more than just Navy, was sort of the deal with their earlier dalliances with the Big East/AAC. If the AAC tries for Air Force again, and I suspect they'll ask them and Army for the millionth time, they'll pose it to both Colorado schools. But, honestly...if the AAC is what Colorado State's been sitting on to push through that OCS, debt and all, either no wonder people don't pony up the dough out there, or it's time for our friends in the government to shut this crap down.

It's brutal watching Temple trying to justify an OCS. Haven't heard or read a relevant or tangible metric to justify why it must be done, unless "just because we can because we own the land" flies for tax-exempt institutions these days.

What are these schools sitting on, and why are they allowed to sit on it?

No justification for Temple building an OCS? Do you mean other than the Eagles charging 4 million a year for 10 years plus a $12 million charge in year one for some improvements? That's $52 million and you own nothing at the end of 10 years. Plus you get no concessions, parking, or signage revenue streams. Temple has a great case to build an OCS. Colorado St already has an OCS--so the case for them to drop 230 million a new one is a little more murky.
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Attackcoog Wrote:  Colorado St already has an OCS--so the case for them to drop 230 million a new one is a little more murky.

CSU has a football stadium already, but it's not on campus. It's about 3.5 miles west of campus, or about as far from campus as Qualcomm Stadium is from SDSU, to use another MWC example.
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(02-21-2016 01:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
Attackcoog Wrote:  Colorado St already has an OCS--so the case for them to drop 230 million a new one is a little more murky.

CSU has a football stadium already, but it's not on campus. It's about 3.5 miles west of campus, or about as far from campus as Qualcomm Stadium is from SDSU, to use another MWC example.

Thanks for the info. I always thought that stadium was on their campus.
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(02-21-2016 12:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Tweet from @FigurelliSports:
NIU, W. Kentucky, S. Miss and La Tech have all been contacted by the AAC. S. Miss is the legit option that I know of

A tweet earlier from him:
Just had a 3rd party (SB nation) confirm what I said about S. Miss, NIU, Memphis, CSU and etc. more details to come from @SBNation myself

Or is this a move to expand the league? Do they wanna go 14-16 teams in the AAC?

Obviously this means nothing is guaranteed, but where there is smoke...

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The guy is a Houston/A&M fan (?) and thinks that Houston/Cincy are locks for the Big12. Might need to file this under DudeWVU, Yoda, and Flugaur level of accuracy.
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(02-21-2016 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  No justification for Temple building an OCS? Do you mean other than the Eagles charging 4 million a year for 10 years plus a $12 million charge in year one for some improvements? That's $52 million and you own nothing at the end of 10 years. Plus you get no concessions, parking, or signage revenue streams. Temple has a great case to build an OCS. Colorado St already has an OCS--so the case for them to drop 230 million a new one is a little more murky.

I don't disagree about how unfavorable its current deal with LFF is. I want the school to demonstrate and validate how this specific alternative is better across all fronts. I want to see Temple make the case, not other people for them. Not its alumni. Not its fans. Not its conference-mates. I want Temple leadership, its BoT putting it out there. As a PA resident, I think I'm owed that, as I pay into it, no matter how little it can be shown.

I know higher ed all too well. I know the lingo. I know all about schools talking about community, and traditional experiences, blah, blah, blah. Show me a study where it works. Show me how costs will not transfer onto students. How it won't impact tuition. How it doesn't/hasn't/will never impact other athletic programs.

And it extends to other schools, so, no, Temple fans, this isn't calling the school out. I look at what happened at Colorado State, and it makes me sick. And I know Temple's leadership is talking to Tulane's to figure out what it can do about those "NIMBY's." Been there, done that. It's more than just "murky," too, because it sets precedence. "These guys do it, so, we must, too!" Another common line heard across higher ed. Stop it, or at least force the accountability now so that it doesn't get worse hereafter.
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All of the schools listed as AAC candidates don't meet the AAC model in market or budget, both in some cases.

Nothing to see here.
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There is absolutely no way and I mean no way Southern Miss will get into the AAC. We would call up fcs schools plus every other G5 school before them. That would be the absolute death nail to this conference by adding a weak, no market, no academics, no money, no history school. If this happens Aresco should be fired on the spot.
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(02-21-2016 01:07 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  To move Air Force anywhere, it's going to take some of its regional mates to force that consideration. That, more than just Navy, was sort of the deal with their earlier dalliances with the Big East/AAC. If the AAC tries for Air Force again, and I suspect they'll ask them and Army for the millionth time, they'll pose it to both Colorado schools. But, honestly...if the AAC is what Colorado State's been sitting on to push through that OCS, debt and all, either no wonder people don't pony up the dough out there, or it's time for our friends in the government to shut this crap down.

It's brutal watching Temple trying to justify an OCS. Haven't heard or read a relevant or tangible metric to justify why it must be done, unless "just because we can because we own the land" flies for tax-exempt institutions these days.

What are these schools sitting on, and why are they allowed to sit on it?

Message boards certainly allow people who have no idea what they are posting about write whatever they want. But I will let the Temple administration know to reach out to you to get the sign off before any construction starts.
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(02-21-2016 02:22 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There is absolutely no way and I mean no way Southern Miss will get into the AAC. We would call up fcs schools plus every other G5 school before them. That would be the absolute death nail to this conference by adding a weak, no market, no academics, no money, no history school. If this happens Aresco should be fired on the spot.

Tulane fan talking trash about SoMiss history and performance?
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(02-21-2016 02:23 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  Message boards certainly allow people who have no idea what they are posting about write whatever they want. But I will let the Temple administration know to reach out to you to get the sign off before any construction starts.

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It's fine, though. I can't stand how Villanova was to Temple and the other Big 5 schools, but, please...call me out. I can't stand how Penn State, my alma mater, operates, but, please...call me out. Pitt, who should have had your back when you were expelled from the Big East, abstained, which was completely reprehensible as a fellow commonwealth school, and I make that known here, too...but, please, keep up with the butthurt EVERY TIME someone has anything objective to say in criticism of your school, assuming you even could/would/did go there.

The greater point still stands, from Philadelphia, to New Orleans, to Ft. Collins, and wherever it lands next.
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(02-21-2016 02:30 PM)canewton Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 02:22 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There is absolutely no way and I mean no way Southern Miss will get into the AAC. We would call up fcs schools plus every other G5 school before them. That would be the absolute death nail to this conference by adding a weak, no market, no academics, no money, no history school. If this happens Aresco should be fired on the spot.

Tulane fan talking trash about SoMiss history and performance?
He's an admitted troll, says things for shock value. We just chuckle at what he says and disregard it.

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(02-21-2016 02:38 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 02:23 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  Message boards certainly allow people who have no idea what they are posting about write whatever they want. But I will let the Temple administration know to reach out to you to get the sign off before any construction starts.

[Image: 569386]

It's fine, though. I can't stand how Villanova was to Temple and the other Big 5 schools, but, please...call me out. I can't stand how Penn State, my alma mater, operates, but, please...call me out. Pitt, who should have had your back when you were expelled from the Big East, abstained, which was completely reprehensible as a fellow commonwealth school, and I make that known here, too...but, please, keep up with the butthurt EVERY TIME someone has anything objective to say in criticism of your school, assuming you even could/would/did go there.

The greater point still stands, from Philadelphia, to New Orleans, to Ft. Collins, and wherever it lands next.

I am not hurt at all. I simply said you have no idea what you are talking about regarding Temple and their pursuit to build a football stadium. This issue has nothing to do with how Nova treated anybody, or PSU, Pitt, etc.
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(02-21-2016 01:58 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 12:29 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Tweet from @FigurelliSports:
NIU, W. Kentucky, S. Miss and La Tech have all been contacted by the AAC. S. Miss is the legit option that I know of

A tweet earlier from him:
Just had a 3rd party (SB nation) confirm what I said about S. Miss, NIU, Memphis, CSU and etc. more details to come from @SBNation myself

Or is this a move to expand the league? Do they wanna go 14-16 teams in the AAC?

Obviously this means nothing is guaranteed, but where there is smoke...

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The guy is a Houston/A&M fan (?) and thinks that Houston/Cincy are locks for the Big12. Might need to file this under DudeWVU, Yoda, and Flugaur level of accuracy.

If this is the case file in under irrelevant.
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