(02-21-2016 02:15 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  No justification for Temple building an OCS? Do you mean other than the Eagles charging 4 million a year for 10 years plus a $12 million charge in year one for some improvements? That's $52 million and you own nothing at the end of 10 years. Plus you get no concessions, parking, or signage revenue streams. Temple has a great case to build an OCS. Colorado St already has an OCS--so the case for them to drop 230 million a new one is a little more murky.

I don't disagree about how unfavorable its current deal with LFF is. I want the school to demonstrate and validate how this specific alternative is better across all fronts. I want to see Temple make the case, not other people for them. Not its alumni. Not its fans. Not its conference-mates. I want Temple leadership, its BoT putting it out there. As a PA resident, I think I'm owed that, as I pay into it, no matter how little it can be shown.

I know higher ed all too well. I know the lingo. I know all about schools talking about community, and traditional experiences, blah, blah, blah. Show me a study where it works. Show me how costs will not transfer onto students. How it won't impact tuition. How it doesn't/hasn't/will never impact other athletic programs.

And it extends to other schools, so, no, Temple fans, this isn't calling the school out. I look at what happened at Colorado State, and it makes me sick. And I know Temple's leadership is talking to Tulane's to figure out what it can do about those "NIMBY's." Been there, done that. It's more than just "murky," too, because it sets precedence. "These guys do it, so, we must, too!" Another common line heard across higher ed. Stop it, or at least force the accountability now so that it doesn't get worse hereafter.

To be fair, its likely building a new Temple OCS will affect students, their fees, and other athletic programs. That's not really the standard. The standard is will it affect these items more than the new rental contract the Eagles are demanding---and which move is better for the long term future of the university---not just the next 10 years.

As for Colorado St, I tend to think their move is a mistake. The simple concept of a new OCS is fine, but I question the decision to spend so much building such an ornate palace that is financed almost entirely with debt.

It just seems to me using all that debt robs the schools of most of the expected increased income stream that is the rationale for a new stadium---and worse yet---all that debt could place the athletic department in a precarious position if their attendance/revenue projections under perform. I think they might be better advised to think more reasonably---spending more like 100-150 million, with at least half of it raised via donation so the debt load is easier to handle and more of the new stadium revenue can actually help the athletic department progress.

I'd prefer NIU & LA tech.

(02-21-2016 02:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:30 PM)canewton Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:22 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There is absolutely no way and I mean no way Southern Miss will get into the AAC. We would call up fcs schools plus every other G5 school before them. That would be the absolute death nail to this conference by adding a weak, no market, no academics, no money, no history school. If this happens Aresco should be fired on the spot.

Tulane fan talking trash about SoMiss history and performance?

He's an admitted troll, says things for shock value. We just chuckle at what he says and disregard it.

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As much as I despise you and your constant begging to get in our great conference, I will admit that of all the schools out there I think NIU is probably the most polished turd.

(02-21-2016 05:14 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:30 PM)canewton Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 02:22 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There is absolutely no way and I mean no way Southern Miss will get into the AAC. We would call up fcs schools plus every other G5 school before them. That would be the absolute death nail to this conference by adding a weak, no market, no academics, no money, no history school. If this happens Aresco should be fired on the spot.

Tulane fan talking trash about SoMiss history and performance?

He's an admitted troll, says things for shock value. We just chuckle at what he says and disregard it.

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As much as I despise you and your constant begging to get in our great conference, I will admit that of all the schools out there I think NIU is probably the most polished turd.

They will probably come in and beat Tulane once in football and twice in hoops.

If its on the internets it must be true.

How about these?

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

Fwiw my AAC contact says TV deal can get better not just stay the same with additions of the 4 I mentioned yesterday.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

AAC also exploring a conference network model that could add several million to the yearly pot of $.nowhere near the P5 but (cont)

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

(Cont)would be partnered with CBS and would allow cbs to buy more AAC content off of ESPN and increase their profile in sports programming

(02-21-2016 05:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If its on the internets it must be true.

How about these?

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

Fwiw my AAC contact says TV deal can get better not just stay the same with additions of the 4 I mentioned yesterday.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

AAC also exploring a conference network model that could add several million to the yearly pot of $.nowhere near the P5 but (cont)

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

(Cont)would be partnered with CBS and would allow cbs to buy more AAC content off of ESPN and increase their profile in sports programming

I did explicitly state that nothing in the original post was guaranteed, just speculation. If someone wants to do some digging and see if any of this true

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(02-21-2016 05:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If its on the internets it must be true.

How about these?

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

Fwiw my AAC contact says TV deal can get better not just stay the same with additions of the 4 I mentioned yesterday.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

AAC also exploring a conference network model that could add several million to the yearly pot of $.nowhere near the P5 but (cont)

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

(Cont)would be partnered with CBS and would allow cbs to buy more AAC content off of ESPN and increase their profile in sports programming

Honestly, as far fetched as it is, that fits the past pattern much better than the LaTech/SMiss/WKU/NIU stuff. Now, the reality is BYU aint coming---they make more on their own and have an entirely different agenda from your typical school. So that aint happening.

Boise has a sweetheart deal in the MWC, so I don't see them bailing.

What might could work is to float that same deal to the front range schools. Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming, and New Mexico. All 4 of those schools are solid institutional fits for the AAC. They are all USNWR top 200 schools. Three of the 4 have budgets that are near the middle of the AAC range (Wyoming is on the low side at 32 million---which is still at least 20% higher than any candidate mentioned in the OP). Three of the 4 offer solid basketball programs. To me, this it is the kind of thing the AAC would need to do if they were serious about moving west and maintaining the quality of the league. The 4 schools have long standing rivalries and would be able to keep them, while still getting better tv exposure and landing in a conference where everyone shares the revenue equally.

Assuming the deal MHver3 was utilized, the schools would end up being able to make the move at no cost and would play in a division that looked like this---

Air Force**
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado St
Houston
SMU
Tulsa


**Air Force would have a protected annual cross divisional game with Navy.

EAST
Navy
Temple
Memphis
ECU
UCF
USF
Tulane

Me too. Personally, I think a Western Wing should include UNLV. That, IMO, would most closely fit the MO of the conference.

AAC could see 4 to 6 schools taken.

Southern Mississippi is in a much better populated area than Ole Miss and Miss. State alone. Jackson is not far from there. Southern Mississippi was in the same conferences with some of the AAC before C-USA was formed.

La. Tech have a history at the top level at the FBS level, but the question is that they are in the middle of 2 tv markets.

Northern Illinois have a much better football product than Tulane, and they get better ratings than Tulane to boot.

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Me too. Personally, I think a Western Wing should include UNLV. That, IMO, would most closely fit the MO of the conference.

(02-21-2016 05:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If its on the internets it must be true.

How about these?

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

Fwiw my AAC contact says TV deal can get better not just stay the same with additions of the 4 I mentioned yesterday.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

AAC also exploring a conference network model that could add several million to the yearly pot of $.nowhere near the P5 but (cont)

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

(Cont)would be partnered with CBS and would allow cbs to buy more AAC content off of ESPN and increase their profile in sports programming

Honestly, as far fetched as it is, that fits the past pattern much better than the LaTech/SMiss/WKU/NIU stuff. Now, the reality is BYU aint coming---they make more on their own and have an entirely different agenda from your typical school. So that aint happening.

Boise has a sweetheart deal in the MWC, so I don't see them bailing.

What might could work is to float that same deal to the front range schools. Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming, and New Mexico. All 4 of those schools are solid institutional fits for the AAC. They are all USNWR top 200 schools. Three of the 4 have budgets that are near the middle of the AAC range (Wyoming is on the low side at 32 million---which is still at least 20% higher than any candidate mentioned in the OP). Three of the 4 offer solid basketball programs. To me, this it is the kind of thing the AAC would need to do if they were serious about moving west and maintaining the quality of the league. The 4 schools have long standing rivalries and would be able to keep them, while still getting better tv exposure and landing in a conference where everyone shares the revenue equally.

Let me ask you something, would the AAC adding, say NIU and USM or LaTech be the worst thing to ever happen to the AAC? Let's say hypothetically, you heard the move was happening. NIU and USM being added. No AAC defections. What is your immediate thought and reactions? Now same question, only this time UCONN and UC are B12 bound. What are your thoughts? I'm just curious, trying to understand the mindset.

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(02-21-2016 06:07 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Me too. Personally, I think a Western Wing should include UNLV. That, IMO, would most closely fit the MO of the conference.

(02-21-2016 05:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If its on the internets it must be true.

How about these?

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

Fwiw my AAC contact says TV deal can get better not just stay the same with additions of the 4 I mentioned yesterday.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

AAC also exploring a conference network model that could add several million to the yearly pot of $.nowhere near the P5 but (cont)

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

(Cont)would be partnered with CBS and would allow cbs to buy more AAC content off of ESPN and increase their profile in sports programming

Honestly, as far fetched as it is, that fits the past pattern much better than the LaTech/SMiss/WKU/NIU stuff. Now, the reality is BYU aint coming---they make more on their own and have an entirely different agenda from your typical school. So that aint happening.

Boise has a sweetheart deal in the MWC, so I don't see them bailing.

What might could work is to float that same deal to the front range schools. Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming, and New Mexico. All 4 of those schools are solid institutional fits for the AAC. They are all USNWR top 200 schools. Three of the 4 have budgets that are near the middle of the AAC range (Wyoming is on the low side at 32 million---which is still at least 20% higher than any candidate mentioned in the OP). Three of the 4 offer solid basketball programs. To me, this it is the kind of thing the AAC would need to do if they were serious about moving west and maintaining the quality of the league. The 4 schools have long standing rivalries and would be able to keep them, while still getting better tv exposure and landing in a conference where everyone shares the revenue equally.

Let me ask you something, would the AAC adding, say NIU and USM or LaTech be the worst thing to ever happen to the AAC? Let's say hypothetically, you heard the move was happening. NIU and USM being added. No AAC defections. What is your immediate thought and reactions? Now same question, only this time UCONN and UC are B12 bound. What are your thoughts? I'm just curious, trying to understand the mindset.

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lol....Im not going to kill myself or anything---its just football. LaTech, SMiss, and NIU might make for some entertaining games.

Im simply looking at it from the prospective of what the AAC has done in the past. They chose small highly ranked academic schools over larger publics with more accomplished football programs. In some ways that was a mistake and is one reason we did worse than we should have in capturing bowls slots in the west. Too many small private schools and too few large enrollment public schools.

My point is I think that academics will be a factor in these decisions. LaTech. SMiss, WKU, NIU--none are top 200 USNWP schools. The presidents in the past also chose schools with large athletic budgets. None of the schools mentioned have large athletics budgets--in fact, most of those in the OP are the very low side for FBS.

Who knows? Maybe this Figerelli kid is right and the AAC is simply throwing out their old metrics because TV is telling them to do something completely different. Frankly, that is entirely possible.

(02-21-2016 12:46 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  I always felt that if AAC looses two team, then the next up are NIU and S Miss.

Yes, those two make the most sense. USM is in our footprint and helps bridge the slight geo gap with Tulane, and NIU has built a nice program.

Sure on paper it would be better to get BYU and CSU, but no MWC schools are coming to the AAC.

(02-21-2016 02:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  All of the schools listed as AAC candidates don't meet the AAC model in market or budget, both in some cases.

Nothing to see here.

If there were schools that fit the "AAC model" available, don't you think they'd already be in the AAC?

If current members leave, the AAC is in backfill mode, and when you backfill, you always get worse schools than what you currently have. It's by definition.

They're going to loose Cincy and Memphis and get UMass and Marshall.

Real deal.

(02-21-2016 07:02 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  They're going to loose Cincy and Memphis and get UMass and Marshall.

Real deal.

I have very valid concerns as to whether or not Marshall can compete without NQs... which the AAC will not allow

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(02-21-2016 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 12:46 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  I always felt that if AAC looses two team, then the next up are NIU and S Miss.

Yes, those two make the most sense. USM is in our footprint and helps bridge the slight geo gap with Tulane, and NIU has built a nice program.

Sure on paper it would be better to get BYU and CSU, but no MWC schools are coming to the AAC.

There are schools that fit the mold, but are not quite ready. With the new CCG rules, there is really no need to feel compelled to get to 12 simply for the sake of having 12.

(02-21-2016 07:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 12:46 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  I always felt that if AAC looses two team, then the next up are NIU and S Miss.

Yes, those two make the most sense. USM is in our footprint and helps bridge the slight geo gap with Tulane, and NIU has built a nice program.

Sure on paper it would be better to get BYU and CSU, but no MWC schools are coming to the AAC.

There are schools that fit the mold, but are not quite ready. With the new CCG rules, there is really no need to feel compelled to get to 12 simply for the sake of having 12.

This. The AAC doesn't have to split the pie with anyone that doesn't contribute to the bottom line.

If it makes dollars, it'll make sense. And that goes for the AAC and any of the targets.

UC and UConn weren't the standard bearers of football this season. Consequently, if there was ever a Big 12 raid of those 2 schools, the AAC sits in an attractive position if it wants to build on that core group with a West wing.

And, if not, the fb conference would simply continue on with those 10.

(02-21-2016 06:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 06:07 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Me too. Personally, I think a Western Wing should include UNLV. That, IMO, would most closely fit the MO of the conference.

(02-21-2016 05:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:41 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If its on the internets it must be true.

How about these?

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 18

AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

Fwiw my AAC contact says TV deal can get better not just stay the same with additions of the 4 I mentioned yesterday.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

AAC also exploring a conference network model that could add several million to the yearly pot of $.nowhere near the P5 but (cont)

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · Feb 19

(Cont)would be partnered with CBS and would allow cbs to buy more AAC content off of ESPN and increase their profile in sports programming

Honestly, as far fetched as it is, that fits the past pattern much better than the LaTech/SMiss/WKU/NIU stuff. Now, the reality is BYU aint coming---they make more on their own and have an entirely different agenda from your typical school. So that aint happening.

Boise has a sweetheart deal in the MWC, so I don't see them bailing.

What might could work is to float that same deal to the front range schools. Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming, and New Mexico. All 4 of those schools are solid institutional fits for the AAC. They are all USNWR top 200 schools. Three of the 4 have budgets that are near the middle of the AAC range (Wyoming is on the low side at 32 million---which is still at least 20% higher than any candidate mentioned in the OP). Three of the 4 offer solid basketball programs. To me, this it is the kind of thing the AAC would need to do if they were serious about moving west and maintaining the quality of the league. The 4 schools have long standing rivalries and would be able to keep them, while still getting better tv exposure and landing in a conference where everyone shares the revenue equally.

Let me ask you something, would the AAC adding, say NIU and USM or LaTech be the worst thing to ever happen to the AAC? Let's say hypothetically, you heard the move was happening. NIU and USM being added. No AAC defections. What is your immediate thought and reactions? Now same question, only this time UCONN and UC are B12 bound. What are your thoughts? I'm just curious, trying to understand the mindset.

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lol....Im not going to kill myself or anything---its just football. LaTech, SMiss, and NIU might make for some entertaining games.

Im simply looking at it from the prospective of what the AAC has done in the past. They chose small highly ranked academic schools over larger publics with more accomplished football programs. In some ways that was a mistake and is one reason we did worse than we should have in capturing bowls slots in the west. Too many small private schools and too few large enrollment public schools.

My point is I think that academics will be a factor in these decisions. LaTech. SMiss, WKU, NIU--none are top 200 USNWP schools. The presidents in the past also chose schools with large athletic budgets. None of the schools mentioned have large athletics budgets--in fact, most of those in the OP are the very low side for FBS.

Who knows? Maybe this Figerelli kid is right and the AAC is simply throwing out their old metrics because TV is telling them to do something completely different. Frankly, that is entirely possible.

It is TV metrics and the ratings that determines the expansions of the conferences. The ACC, Big 12 and PAC 12 is having issues right now because some schools in those conferences do not hold their own right now. If Tennessee rules the Nashville market? Why keep Vanderbilt? They could send Vanderbilt to the Big 10, and add someone else for replacement.

East Carolina does get better tv rankings than some of the ACC North Carolina schools. Which is why they are in the running for a P5 slot.

Boise State and BYU are sure shots in the west alongside Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, San Diego State and Fresno State. UNLV, Hawaii and UNR also get some good ratings when they go on a run.

AAC have schools not performing well with the ratings. UConn, Tulane and Tulsa.

La. Tech, Southern Mississppi, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, Toledo, Bowling Green, Ohio U., Arkansas State, La.-Lafayette, and Northern Illinois does have better ratings at time.

North Dakota State, Montana, Jacksonville State, James Madison and Eastern Washington are schools on the rise that could do well in the ratings. So does UTSA.

Rice also do well in tv ratings as well since they are a name brand from the SWC days.

Until ECU can get a NIT Basketball level team, that will always be their Achilles heel for the P5. This what kept them out of the Big East for years.

(02-21-2016 06:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  AAC could see 4 to 6 schools taken.

Southern Mississippi is in a much better populated area than Ole Miss and Miss. State alone. Jackson is not far from there. Southern Mississippi was in the same conferences with some of the AAC before C-USA was formed.

La. Tech have a history at the top level at the FBS level, but the question is that they are in the middle of 2 tv markets.

Northern Illinois have a much better football product than Tulane, and they get better ratings than Tulane to boot.

What none of you people seem to realize is the only two things that matter in this realignment world is markets and academics. Wins and losses mean nothing, NIU and USM could go undefeated for ten years and Tulane could not win a game for ten years and we would get picked first every single time. We have both, we are superior, we are the more appealing program and always will be. That is the beauty of college athletics.