(02-03-2016 04:26 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  ...and I know it might sound like I'm defending Pastner...and in a roundabout way...I guess I might be a little in some aspects...but take the Cal years out of that Sweet 16 average and that number drops significantly. Everyone is jumping on me, and all I'm doing is stating facts and asking a question based on such. As far as my shoe is concerned I just thought Tiger fans would like to hear some Tiger coverage. I've been doing the show for about 2 years now and I've had guests pertaining to the Tigers on every week (Pastner several times/Fuente several times as well as Melissa McFerrin) and beat writers on that cover the teams we are facing. It's an AM sports station that most probably don't run across on a daily basis. Was just trying to ler people know I'm here. If that's "spamming" I sincerely apologize.

Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

(02-03-2016 06:45 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:26 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  ...and I know it might sound like I'm defending Pastner...and in a roundabout way...I guess I might be a little in some aspects...but take the Cal years out of that Sweet 16 average and that number drops significantly. Everyone is jumping on me, and all I'm doing is stating facts and asking a question based on such. As far as my shoe is concerned I just thought Tiger fans would like to hear some Tiger coverage. I've been doing the show for about 2 years now and I've had guests pertaining to the Tigers on every week (Pastner several times/Fuente several times as well as Melissa McFerrin) and beat writers on that cover the teams we are facing. It's an AM sports station that most probably don't run across on a daily basis. Was just trying to ler people know I'm here. If that's "spamming" I sincerely apologize.

Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

Just take a look at the Sweet 16 appearances...they make it for the first time in 73..there was an 8year gap before they made it again..they make it 82-85..then another 6yr gap before they make it again..they then make it in 92..another 2yr gap..make in 95...and don't make it again for an entire DECADE...and in all probability would have been much longer than that if they hadn't been able to hire Cal

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 06:45 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:26 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  ...and I know it might sound like I'm defending Pastner...and in a roundabout way...I guess I might be a little in some aspects...but take the Cal years out of that Sweet 16 average and that number drops significantly. Everyone is jumping on me, and all I'm doing is stating facts and asking a question based on such. As far as my shoe is concerned I just thought Tiger fans would like to hear some Tiger coverage. I've been doing the show for about 2 years now and I've had guests pertaining to the Tigers on every week (Pastner several times/Fuente several times as well as Melissa McFerrin) and beat writers on that cover the teams we are facing. It's an AM sports station that most probably don't run across on a daily basis. Was just trying to ler people know I'm here. If that's "spamming" I sincerely apologize.

Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 06:45 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:26 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  ...and I know it might sound like I'm defending Pastner...and in a roundabout way...I guess I might be a little in some aspects...but take the Cal years out of that Sweet 16 average and that number drops significantly. Everyone is jumping on me, and all I'm doing is stating facts and asking a question based on such. As far as my shoe is concerned I just thought Tiger fans would like to hear some Tiger coverage. I've been doing the show for about 2 years now and I've had guests pertaining to the Tigers on every week (Pastner several times/Fuente several times as well as Melissa McFerrin) and beat writers on that cover the teams we are facing. It's an AM sports station that most probably don't run across on a daily basis. Was just trying to ler people know I'm here. If that's "spamming" I sincerely apologize.

Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

I'm sure you probably disagree but I'm of the opinion that the only reason Pastner was able to get those type of recruits initially was because of the idea of what the program was or had been under Cal...and I don't understand how you can say this should be a program that expects to go to the Sweet 16 every 3 years when that's honestly never been the case outside of a run in the early 80s and the Cal years

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 06:45 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:26 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  ...and I know it might sound like I'm defending Pastner...and in a roundabout way...I guess I might be a little in some aspects...but take the Cal years out of that Sweet 16 average and that number drops significantly. Everyone is jumping on me, and all I'm doing is stating facts and asking a question based on such. As far as my shoe is concerned I just thought Tiger fans would like to hear some Tiger coverage. I've been doing the show for about 2 years now and I've had guests pertaining to the Tigers on every week (Pastner several times/Fuente several times as well as Melissa McFerrin) and beat writers on that cover the teams we are facing. It's an AM sports station that most probably don't run across on a daily basis. Was just trying to ler people know I'm here. If that's "spamming" I sincerely apologize.

Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

(02-03-2016 07:19 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Just take a look at the Sweet 16 appearances...they make it for the first time in 73..there was an 8year gap before they made it again..they make it 82-85..then another 6yr gap before they make it again..they then make it in 92..another 2yr gap..make in 95...and don't make it again for an entire DECADE...and in all probability would have been much longer than that if they hadn't been able to hire Cal

You can't argue with dumb

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 06:45 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:26 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  ...and I know it might sound like I'm defending Pastner...and in a roundabout way...I guess I might be a little in some aspects...but take the Cal years out of that Sweet 16 average and that number drops significantly. Everyone is jumping on me, and all I'm doing is stating facts and asking a question based on such. As far as my shoe is concerned I just thought Tiger fans would like to hear some Tiger coverage. I've been doing the show for about 2 years now and I've had guests pertaining to the Tigers on every week (Pastner several times/Fuente several times as well as Melissa McFerrin) and beat writers on that cover the teams we are facing. It's an AM sports station that most probably don't run across on a daily basis. Was just trying to ler people know I'm here. If that's "spamming" I sincerely apologize.

Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

(02-03-2016 07:19 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Just take a look at the Sweet 16 appearances...they make it for the first time in 73..there was an 8year gap before they made it again..they make it 82-85..then another 6yr gap before they make it again..they then make it in 92..another 2yr gap..make in 95...and don't make it again for an entire DECADE...and in all probability would have been much longer than that if they hadn't been able to hire Cal

You keep referring to the Tigers as they instead of we, tells me all I need to know about you.

(02-03-2016 09:22 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:19 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Just take a look at the Sweet 16 appearances...they make it for the first time in 73..there was an 8year gap before they made it again..they make it 82-85..then another 6yr gap before they make it again..they then make it in 92..another 2yr gap..make in 95...and don't make it again for an entire DECADE...and in all probability would have been much longer than that if they hadn't been able to hire Cal

You keep referring to the Tigers as they instead of we, tells me all I need to know about you.

Dude I'm a Tiger BB & Tiger FB season ticket holder and have been for years. Still go to every single Tiger BB game while most of the "fans" have given up. I travel to several road games a year and cover the Lady Tigers BB team for TigerSportsReport.com and give them coverage like non other in the city. How dare you challenge my fandom?!

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 06:45 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Take Pastner's years out and the average increases.

See the logic?

BTW. The 87 team would have made the sweet sixteen if not on probation. The 1996 lost in the first round but was ranked in third in the country. Memphis' history is richer than just the four year run under Cal, and vacated or not, the 82-85 run was just as good.

Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

(02-03-2016 09:46 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:22 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:19 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Just take a look at the Sweet 16 appearances...they make it for the first time in 73..there was an 8year gap before they made it again..they make it 82-85..then another 6yr gap before they make it again..they then make it in 92..another 2yr gap..make in 95...and don't make it again for an entire DECADE...and in all probability would have been much longer than that if they hadn't been able to hire Cal

You keep referring to the Tigers as they instead of we, tells me all I need to know about you.

Dude I'm a Tiger BB & Tiger FB season ticket holder and have been for years. Still go to every single Tiger BB game while most of the "fans" have given up. I travel to several road games a year and cover the Lady Tigers BB team for TigerSportsReport.com and give them coverage like non other in the city. How dare you challenge my fandom?!

If you think we expect too much then I don't care how many games you go to. You aren't much of a fan. This program has had great teams in every decade except maybe the 60s. You do realize that once upon a time the NCAA tourney wasn't always 64 teams right ? You could be a top ten team WHICH WE WERE in 1972 and if you didn't win the conference you had to go to the NIT. And in the 50s the NIT was just as big a deal as the NCAA.

Get your facts straight youngster or better yet just look up into the rafters and see the banners. And please stop with the vacated excuse. North Carolina should have 2 titles vacated. We've never had the type of academic fraud over a period of time that they have. But the NCAA would rather nail SMU or Southern Miss over something not as flagrant. If UNC can claim the 05 and 09 titles, then we sure as hell can claim the Cal and Dana years

Smh

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

The irony...

(02-03-2016 09:57 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

The irony...

The dude is just trying to get people to listen to his show. Or call in.

(02-03-2016 09:08 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 08:59 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 08:15 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  It's pathetic that you bring up vacated wins. All that stuff happened. Just shows you had a lame argument. Have a nice day.

Stupid arguments that anger a fanbase are a good way to get listeners for your wannabe sports show.

#JustSayin

True. Didn't hear anyone call in though. Only listened a few minutes. About all I could stand.

Sort of a 'Donald Trump playbook?'

(02-03-2016 09:59 PM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:57 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

The irony...

The dude is just trying to get people to listen to his show. Or call in.

Yeah, that is exactly what I'm trying to do. I hate I ever mentioned this here. I'm a die hard Tiger homer. I asked a very valid question. The facts are the facts. Cant lay them out any better. Please by all means, throw your radio out the window when I'm on. If any of you knew me you'd know how idiotic and wrong you are about me and my intentions. Good day!

(02-03-2016 09:59 PM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:57 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

The irony...

The dude is just trying to get people to listen to his show. Or call in.

Is it a good show? I might tune in one day and check it out.

(02-03-2016 10:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:59 PM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:57 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

The irony...

The dude is just trying to get people to listen to his show. Or call in.

Is it a good show? I might tune in one day and check it out.

I would really appreciate that. I probably have better guests on than the big boys everyone knows about..and we don't have the connections that the FM station has. I work my butt off and everything is grassroots. I cover the Tigers a lot and have atleast one Tiger related guest on per week...that's the only reason why I mentioned the show here. I wouldn't have even brought this topic up until some guy insulted me and insulted my show calling me an idiot etc. It is what it is...if you decide to give me a listen one day I'd really appreciate it..if not..that's fine too

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:41 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 07:10 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Are you sure about that? Remember the shape this program was in immediately preceeding Cal. If Cal hadn't taken over when he did I honestly don't know where we'd be right now. The "Sweet 16 every 4 year" average thing though true if just looking at the raw numbers is kind of skewed. The majority of Memphis' top accomplishments came in 2 or 3 stretches. There are years and years of mediocrity in between. I know I'm not going to gain any ground on this argument, so I'm just going to let it rest..just going to say one last time the only point I've been trying to make. This program outside of the Cal era and '73 (wasn't around then but know all about it) just hasn't consistently been what a lot of Tiger fans expect it to be year in and year out

The Tigers were the #3 team in the country just 4 years before Cal took over. Larry Finch had a upset 1st round NCAA loss, a mediocre season and missed a star recruit (that many think was paid off) when he was fired. Three seasons of Tic Price/Johnny Jones made us look mediocre.

Memphis is the kind of program that should expect to go to the sweet sixteen at least once every three years. While you are unwittingly doing this backhanded compliment talking about "realistic expectations" you ignore the U of Memphis spends more on basketball than 90% of Division 1 programs, Memphis and the mid-south produces a disproportionate amount of high level basketball talent, and Josh Pastner recruited talent equal or better than John Calipari during most of Cal's tenure. Carney, the Larinburg guys (except Shawne Williams), CDR, and most of the recruits Cal won big with were not as highly rated as the players Pastner brought in those first several years. If Pastner goes to USC and a competent coach takes over in 2013-14 and only keeps the Memphis recruits, we are a top ten team.

Cal brought in four McD's all Americans his whole time at Memphis. Pastner has brought in three or four. Cal missed out on three McD's all Americans from Memphis.

So what I'm saying is Pastner has had talent comparable to Cal. So what gives?

and let's not pretend that Pastner has brought anyone in on the level of the 4 All-Americans that Cal brought in sans maybe Will Barton...and I want to say again...this really doesn't have anything to do with Pastner directly. I agree mostly on the Pastner issue..and when it comes a point that fans stop showing up to the games wether your doing a decent job or not...you have to make a change...but there are people in this fan base that feel we should be signing top 5 classes and in the elite 8/final 4 every year and that is strictly due to what they got used to under Cal...and do I think there would be QUITE AS BIG of an uproar about what's going on right now if you could eradicate the Cal years from our memory? No I do not

Dejuan Wagner, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans were all top three in their class.

Darius Washington was top fifteen.

Elliot Williams (who I didn't count) was top twenty and Will Barton were top ten (and not a McD's AA).

Joe Jackson was top fifteen. Adonis Thomas was top fifteen. Shaq Goodwin was top twenty-five. Dedric Lawson was top twenty-five.

Jelan Kendrick was a McD's All-American but that went horribly of course.

Six McD's players. Five played. And those don't include Pastner's best recruit. And it's shocking to be upset with the results?

Finch turned six McDonald's All-Americans into six NCAA wins in eight years (excluding the first season which was banned from postseason despite winning the conference tournament).

Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

Ironic.

(02-03-2016 10:09 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 10:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:59 PM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:57 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:49 PM)TigerRoar17 Wrote:  Did I ever say "it's shocking to be upset with the results"? I'm done with this conversation. We have a difference of an opinion. I'm a fake fan and I'm an idiot according to everyone on this board. All I did was ask a question that I think is extremely valid. Sorry everyone around here is soft as tissue paper.

The irony...

The dude is just trying to get people to listen to his show. Or call in.

Is it a good show? I might tune in one day and check it out.

I would really appreciate that. I probably have better guests on than the big boys everyone knows about..and we don't have the connections that the FM station has. I work my butt off and everything is grassroots. I cover the Tigers a lot and have atleast one Tiger related guest on per week...that's the only reason why I mentioned the show here. I wouldn't have even brought this topic up until some guy insulted me and insulted my show calling me an idiot etc. It is what it is...if you decide to give me a listen one day I'd really appreciate it..if not..that's fine too

I will.

Also, don't worry about anyone calling you names. It's a message board and so you are bound to come across tough folks. Just gotta roll with the punches.