(01-28-2016 10:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

^close the thread

(01-28-2016 01:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:25 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I think the haters need to do their research because i was not taking about Pastner. The stats above do not belong to Pastner. They belonged to Finch. Based on your expectations you would have fired Finch the year before Penny arrived on campus.

Pastner doesn't have a Penny in this incoming class, if he did his job would be safe.

Penny left and the program instantly dropped to a below 500 team. Had a short boost when Lorensen Wright showed up and immediately dropped again after he left. Yet the same people who are yelling the loudest about Pastner are pissed that Finch got fired. It has nothing to do with the program but a personal dislike for Pastner.

the reason we dropped is David Vaughn had a knee injury genius. We had some new freshmen who didn't know how to set or play through screens.
The following season, we had David Vaughn AND Lorenzen Wright playing on the team.

(01-28-2016 08:17 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I think the haters need to do their research because i was not taking about Pastner. The stats above do not belong to Pastner. They belonged to Finch. Based on your expectations you would have fired Finch the year before Penny arrived on campus.

I don't recall Coach Finch being paid an outrageous salary but failing to produce comparable results.

So you are saying it was a sick and perverted firing of a beloved coach.

I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

(01-28-2016 10:17 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

You are correct that Finch won a lot more meaningful games than Pastner. Finch had the respect of his players…. and he had overall better players. In terms of raw coaching, Finch wasn't very good.

I am correct regarding the trajectory of the program and my timeline. Vaughn hurt his knee during the first game of Pennys second year. We were preseason top 10. We limped to a 10 seed that season. The next season we had a losing record. Vaughn rehabilitated a bit, and we added Wright to a team with Garner and Henderson, and we were a top 10 team again.

Aside from the Penny era, and Wright era, we were basically on a downhill trajectory.

(01-28-2016 10:27 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:17 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

You are correct that Finch won a lot more meaningful games than Pastner. Finch had the respect of his players…. and he had overall better players. In terms of raw coaching, Finch wasn't very good.

I am correct regarding the trajectory of the program and my timeline. Vaughn hurt his knee during the first game of Pennys second year. We were preseason top 10. We limped to a 10 seed that season. The next season we had a losing record. Vaughn rehabilitated a bit, and we added Wright to a team with Garner and Henderson, and we were a top 10 team again.

Aside from the Penny era, and Wright era, we were basically on a downhill trajectory.

Vaughn hurt his knee the year after Penny left. We went 13-16 that year ( we were playing Arkansas...and narrowly lost that game by 5). The year after...we had David Vaughn and Lorenzen Wright playing together. After that season...David went professional.

Let's just cut to the chase. I've read through the majority of this thread and it's basically rehashing the same **** we've been saying for years. Pastner sucks. He'll never be anything more than a serviceable coach. How do we get rid of him and move on? That's all we need to discuss. It's elementary at this point. Get him the **** outta here. Figure out what the buyout is of this great man of character who's driving our program into the gutter and move on.

(01-28-2016 10:52 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:27 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:17 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

You are correct that Finch won a lot more meaningful games than Pastner. Finch had the respect of his players…. and he had overall better players. In terms of raw coaching, Finch wasn't very good.

I am correct regarding the trajectory of the program and my timeline. Vaughn hurt his knee during the first game of Pennys second year. We were preseason top 10. We limped to a 10 seed that season. The next season we had a losing record. Vaughn rehabilitated a bit, and we added Wright to a team with Garner and Henderson, and we were a top 10 team again.

Aside from the Penny era, and Wright era, we were basically on a downhill trajectory.

Vaughn hurt his knee the year after Penny left. We went 13-16 that year ( we were playing Arkansas...and narrowly lost that game by 5). The year after...we had David Vaughn and Lorenzen Wright playing together. After that season...David went professional.

You are 100% wrong. We went to the Elite 8 in 1992 and based on the strength of returning Hardaway and Vaughn, we were preseason top 10. Our first game of the 92/93 season was a trip to Arkansas. It was Corliss Williamson's first game as a Hog. Vaughn injured his knee in the second half of that game. We had our losing season the next year, in which I believe Vaughn returned after being out all but the first game of the season before

I knew the OP was Finch the minute he said probation. But it's an obsolete argument. Finch made his deep run in year 6.

(01-28-2016 10:52 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:27 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:17 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

You are correct that Finch won a lot more meaningful games than Pastner. Finch had the respect of his players…. and he had overall better players. In terms of raw coaching, Finch wasn't very good.

I am correct regarding the trajectory of the program and my timeline. Vaughn hurt his knee during the first game of Pennys second year. We were preseason top 10. We limped to a 10 seed that season. The next season we had a losing record. Vaughn rehabilitated a bit, and we added Wright to a team with Garner and Henderson, and we were a top 10 team again.

Aside from the Penny era, and Wright era, we were basically on a downhill trajectory.

Vaughn hurt his knee the year after Penny left. We went 13-16 that year ( we were playing Arkansas...and narrowly lost that game by 5). The year after...we had David Vaughn and Lorenzen Wright playing together. After that season...David went professional.

Dude, Vaughn hurt his knee ON A PASS FROM PENNY! It was Penny's second year, not the year after he left. It was against Arkansas, Vaughn leaked out on a fast break and Penny threw an almost full court pass and Vaughn blew out his knee catching it. We were ahead at the time and playing well but Arkansas came back and beat us after Vaughn got hurt.

(01-28-2016 11:07 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:52 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:27 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:17 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

You are correct that Finch won a lot more meaningful games than Pastner. Finch had the respect of his players…. and he had overall better players. In terms of raw coaching, Finch wasn't very good.

I am correct regarding the trajectory of the program and my timeline. Vaughn hurt his knee during the first game of Pennys second year. We were preseason top 10. We limped to a 10 seed that season. The next season we had a losing record. Vaughn rehabilitated a bit, and we added Wright to a team with Garner and Henderson, and we were a top 10 team again.

Aside from the Penny era, and Wright era, we were basically on a downhill trajectory.

Vaughn hurt his knee the year after Penny left. We went 13-16 that year ( we were playing Arkansas...and narrowly lost that game by 5). The year after...we had David Vaughn and Lorenzen Wright playing together. After that season...David went professional.

You are 100% wrong. We went to the Elite 8 in 1992 and based on the strength of returning Hardaway and Vaughn, we were preseason top 10. Our first game of the 92/93 season was a trip to Arkansas. It was Corliss Williamson's first game as a Hog. Vaughn injured his knee in the second half of that game. We had our losing season the next year, in which I believe Vaughn returned after being out all but the first game of the season before

You are right

Penny went to the Elite 8 his first year...91-92...Penny and Vaughn started with the tigers the same year.

Vaughn got hurt Pennies Second year in the first game.

With all that said we had peaks and Valleys with Finch...We have yet to have a peak with Pastner.

Finch relied on local talent so yeah there were going to be years when he was a little thin on talent, but even when he fielded teams with lesser talent he was competitive.

Finches last 6 years were better than Pastners entire career. But Finch bit the hand that fed him and when they got the chance they ran him out of town.

didn't Finch's last team go 5-0 vs ranked teams. I can remember beating Robert "Tractor" Traylor and Michigan that year.

(01-29-2016 11:24 AM)tigersroll Wrote:  didn't Finch's last team go 5-0 vs ranked teams. I can remember beating Robert "Tractor" Traylor and Michigan that year.

Lol...Amazingly you are right

One of Finches worst team won almost as many games against the top 25 as Pastner has in his entire career

Beat #4 Michigan
Beat Louisville Twice at #6 and #11
Beat #23 Tulane
Beat #9 Cincinatti

4 TOP 11 WINS IN ONE YEAR...

And if this years team had to play the schedule that Finch played his last year it would be much worse...Larrys last team finished with an RPI of 71

Memphis finished with an RPI of 89 Last year and currently has a 107 RPI now.

(01-28-2016 10:17 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:01 PM)GoeTygers Wrote:  I thought Finch was a poor coach. As soon as he took over, we were on a downward trend despite having good talent. We lost the last game played at MSC to Arkansas State. When we landed Penny and Vaughn, we had talent that overcame coaching. When Penny left we had a losing season, until once again we picked up a program changer in Wright to go along with a developing Cedric Henderson and a never the same but still serviceable Vaughn. After they were gone, we sucked again with not much on the horizon to help.

Despite all of that, I loved Finch. I grew up a fan of the program and our tradition which he was a huge part of. I attended Kirks camps as a kid every summer and I remember what a nice man he was. He was Memphis basketball. All that said, I agreed with him being let go.

Pastner is every bit as poor a coach as Finch. However, he is not Memphis basketball. He does not get the benefit of the doubt that comes with being a part of our tradition. In fact, he is destroying the program. He is a white, nerdy, control freak from Arizona who can't relate to kids and especially the demographics of Memphis. He embodies an archetype that is anti-Memphis. He would fit in perfectly at some mid-western whitebread Baptist or Christian school.

So, in terms of coaching…. Pastner somewhat = Finch
In terms of everything else, Finch >>>>>>>>>>>> Pastner

go back and look at Trip's Tigers page. Not much of what you said was all true.
Finch had a decent record against top 25 competition...better than Pastner's anyway. Even in a lot of those games that we dropped to top 25 teams..we were losing by 4 or 5 points AT MOST.
Yes there were some games where we laid a complete egg during Finch's years....but Coach Pastner's teams already have more of those in his time here than Finch did.
Finch's health was failing...and we needed to shake up the coaching staff a bit to get some better recruiting...but no one knew that at the time.
Even in his last year...with one of his least talented teams, he beat some top 25 ballclubs. Coach Bob Huggins, then at Cinci ranted about the way that Larry was being done by the University.

The year after Penny left...Vaughn got hurt...in a game against Arkansas I believe. that was it for the rest of the season..as we had a lot fo new faces...and some of the kids didn't know how to set or fight through screens.

The schedule now is waaay easier than then. If Finch player this schedule he'd have averaged 25-27 wins a year and an ncaa tourney every year as well

(01-29-2016 11:24 AM)tigersroll Wrote:  didn't Finch's last team go 5-0 vs ranked teams. I can remember beating Robert "Tractor" Traylor and Michigan that year.

I don't know what Finch's record vs the top 25 was but it's way more impressive than Pastner. He had a lot of huge wins that just get forgotten about.

(01-29-2016 11:41 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:24 AM)tigersroll Wrote:  didn't Finch's last team go 5-0 vs ranked teams. I can remember beating Robert "Tractor" Traylor and Michigan that year.

I don't know what Finch's record vs the top 25 was but it's way more impressive than Pastner. He had a lot of huge wins that just get forgotten about.

He was 5-0 against the top 25 his last year

Beat #4 Michigan
Beat Louisville Twice at #6 and #11
Beat #23 Tulane
Beat #9 Cincinatti

From 91-92 until Larry was fired he had a record of
20-21 against the top 25...Larrys teams may have laid some eggs but they sure as hell showed up in big games.

(01-29-2016 11:48 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  From 91-92 until Larry was fired he had a record of
20-21 against the top 25...Larrys teams may have laid some eggs but they sure as hell showed up in big games.

Some will argue that Finch had 11 more opportunities than CJP....its coming

(01-29-2016 12:32 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:48 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  From 91-92 until Larry was fired he had a record of
20-21 against the top 25...Larrys teams may have laid some eggs but they sure as hell showed up in big games.

Some will argue that Finch had 11 more opportunities than CJP....its coming

Based on how JP has done with his opportunities thus far, that would not be an argument in his favor.