(01-28-2016 08:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I think the haters need to do their research because i was not taking about Pastner. The stats above do not belong to Pastner. They belonged to Finch. Based on your expectations you would have fired Finch the year before Penny arrived on campus.

Finch was fired about a year after being ranked #2 in the country and going to the Tourney, the year before he was ranked #2 he made the sweet 16...

Now compare that to what Josh has done in the last 3 years and you tell me if Josh is being held to the same standard as Finch.

Always the money with many of you. If Josh was making $700k would you be happy or sad with the results.

Josh is nowhere near Finch as a player or coach. FACT

(01-28-2016 10:51 AM)innman Wrote:  Always the money with many of you. If Josh was making $700k would you be happy or sad with the results.

Sad.

Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

Tried following the convoluted logic, but what I gather from all of this is ncrdbl is predicting Pastner will sign a Penny level talent before next season?

If not, then bye Felecia.

(01-28-2016 10:51 AM)innman Wrote:  Always the money with many of you. If Josh was making $700k would you be happy or sad with the results.

I agree completely...I would want Josh gone if he was coaching for Free...

The difference is I would feel bad for Josh if he wasn't making 2.6 Million a year because his future well being could be in question...But he should be able to live off of the $10Million for the remainder of his days

(01-28-2016 10:51 AM)innman Wrote:  Always the money with many of you. If Josh was making $700k would you be happy or sad with the results.

Id feel the same way. The $ he makes doesn't matter to me...Im not paying his salary. The results are the only thing that matters...

Losing to ECU sucks whether he makes 40k a year or 4M per year...

(01-28-2016 03:11 AM)GoeTygers Wrote:  Fact: Pastner has more losses to RPI 200 or worse than he has wins vs the top 25

Fact: 70% of Pastner's wins have come from teams ranked worse than 100 in the RPI

Fact: Pastner has a record below .500 against teams ranked in the top 50 of the RPI

Fact: A team of only our transfers over the last 1.5 yeas could be fielded and with an average coach, finish with a top 75 RPI and post season finish. With a good coach, NCAA.

Fact: Pastner has steadily lost ground in recruiting over his 7 years here, and the future is looking more bleak.

Fact: Sunshine pumpers view last season as an aberration. Realists view the year of the 4 Kings as the aberration. Take away that year, and Pastner has given us 6 years with only ONE win vs a top 25 team…. and that was #25 Saint Mary's in which we dodged a last second 3 from the best shooter in the conference

Down goes Frazier

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(01-28-2016 08:48 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:29 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  What little respect I had for you I lost when you posted something from Big Bang theory. Ugh.

nascar and wrestling...what more did you expect?

Bassetball, nascar, wrestling.....all minor sports requiring similar mental aptitudes

We can allow it.

(01-28-2016 11:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:48 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:29 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  What little respect I had for you I lost when you posted something from Big Bang theory. Ugh.

nascar and wrestling...what more did you expect?

Bassetball, nascar, wrestling.....all minor sports requiring similar mental aptitudes

We can allow it.

People donate 100K a year for wrasslin and NASCAR too?

(01-28-2016 10:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

But doesn't this argument itself acknowledge that "sunshine pumpers" were pushed into a corner years (seasons) ago and have been fighting that position ever since. Coach Pastner has been beat up by some on here since the middle of his second year - about Joe, about Will Barton, about his record against ranked teams, about player development and usage, about scheduling, about discipline, about tendinitis, about player dismissals, etc. People who were forced to defend Coach when he was doing good (not great) see the current position as just another attack that they must defend against. These defenders should not be blind to the current state of the program, but those calling them names shouldn't be blind as to why these people are so defensive.

(01-28-2016 08:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I think the haters need to do their research because i was not taking about Pastner. The stats above do not belong to Pastner. They belonged to Finch. Based on your expectations you would have fired Finch the year before Penny arrived on campus.

Pastner doesn't have a Penny in this incoming class, if he did his job would be safe.

(01-28-2016 11:24 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

But doesn't this argument itself acknowledge that "sunshine pumpers" were pushed into a corner years (seasons) ago and have been fighting that position ever since. Coach Pastner has been beat up by some on here since the middle of his second year - about Joe, about Will Barton, about his record against ranked teams, about player development and usage, about scheduling, about discipline, about tendinitis, about player dismissals, etc. People who were forced to defend Coach when he was doing good (not great) see the current position as just another attack that they must defend against. These defenders should not be blind to the current state of the program, but those calling them names shouldn't be blind as to why these people are so defensive.

But why are they defensive over someone they've only known for 5 years? Larry Finch probably got less admiration and he did more than anyone. And now Penny is even getting thrown under the bus by some people because he reached out to the school. I just don't get it

(01-28-2016 11:27 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:24 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

But doesn't this argument itself acknowledge that "sunshine pumpers" were pushed into a corner years (seasons) ago and have been fighting that position ever since. Coach Pastner has been beat up by some on here since the middle of his second year - about Joe, about Will Barton, about his record against ranked teams, about player development and usage, about scheduling, about discipline, about tendinitis, about player dismissals, etc. People who were forced to defend Coach when he was doing good (not great) see the current position as just another attack that they must defend against. These defenders should not be blind to the current state of the program, but those calling them names shouldn't be blind as to why these people are so defensive.

But why are they defensive over someone they've only known for 5 years? Larry Finch probably got less admiration and he did more than anyone. And now Penny is even getting thrown under the bus by some people because he reached out to the school. I just don't get it

People picked apart Cal from the beginning as well. Some folks have selective memory. Hell, some still pick him apart 8 years later.

(01-28-2016 11:30 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:27 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:24 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

But doesn't this argument itself acknowledge that "sunshine pumpers" were pushed into a corner years (seasons) ago and have been fighting that position ever since. Coach Pastner has been beat up by some on here since the middle of his second year - about Joe, about Will Barton, about his record against ranked teams, about player development and usage, about scheduling, about discipline, about tendinitis, about player dismissals, etc. People who were forced to defend Coach when he was doing good (not great) see the current position as just another attack that they must defend against. These defenders should not be blind to the current state of the program, but those calling them names shouldn't be blind as to why these people are so defensive.

But why are they defensive over someone they've only known for 5 years? Larry Finch probably got less admiration and he did more than anyone. And now Penny is even getting thrown under the bus by some people because he reached out to the school. I just don't get it

People picked apart Cal from the beginning as well. Some folks have selective memory. Hell, some still pick him apart 8 years later.

I think that's the point - they started off defensive of Coach Pastner because they thought he was doing a good job in year 2-3-4 when the criticisms seemed unfair and unwarranted. A lot of the people that were / are defending Coach Pastner were also the same people that were defending Coach Cal his first five years against the "miserables" and were defending Coach Finch through criticisms then.

I defended Josh until he became indefensible. At some point you just have to admit you were wrong.

(01-28-2016 11:39 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:30 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:27 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:24 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Fact: It's possible to realize that Josh did some good in his time here, while also realizing that the window has closed. Things used to be good (not great) but we are trending in the wrong direction. It's obvious...

Fact: You cling to what Josh DID. Fine, though other posters have pointed out the facts behind the facts. You don't keep a coach because of what he DID, especially when what he DID never included beating good teams at a respectable clip or making a single Sweet 16 in 7 years. You keep a coach because of what he is DOING. And what Josh is DOING doesn't warrant another year.

Fact: None of the good years were good enough and the bad years dont look to be going away...

But doesn't this argument itself acknowledge that "sunshine pumpers" were pushed into a corner years (seasons) ago and have been fighting that position ever since. Coach Pastner has been beat up by some on here since the middle of his second year - about Joe, about Will Barton, about his record against ranked teams, about player development and usage, about scheduling, about discipline, about tendinitis, about player dismissals, etc. People who were forced to defend Coach when he was doing good (not great) see the current position as just another attack that they must defend against. These defenders should not be blind to the current state of the program, but those calling them names shouldn't be blind as to why these people are so defensive.

But why are they defensive over someone they've only known for 5 years? Larry Finch probably got less admiration and he did more than anyone. And now Penny is even getting thrown under the bus by some people because he reached out to the school. I just don't get it

People picked apart Cal from the beginning as well. Some folks have selective memory. Hell, some still pick him apart 8 years later.

I think that's the point - they started off defensive of Coach Pastner because they thought he was doing a good job in year 2-3-4 when the criticisms seemed unfair and unwarranted. A lot of the people that were / are defending Coach Pastner were also the same people that were defending Coach Cal his first five years against the "miserables" and were defending Coach Finch through criticisms then.

And those same people will drop Josh like a bad habit as soon as he's let go. Well except for the obvious one of two that post here. I mean that one guy wants RC back


Smh

(01-28-2016 03:11 AM)GoeTygers Wrote:  Fact: Pastner has more losses to RPI 200 or worse than he has wins vs the top 25

Fact: 70% of Pastner's wins have come from teams ranked worse than 100 in the RPI

Fact: Pastner has a record below .500 against teams ranked in the top 50 of the RPI

Fact: A team of only our transfers over the last 1.5 yeas could be fielded and with an average coach, finish with a top 75 RPI and post season finish. With a good coach, NCAA.

Fact: Pastner has steadily lost ground in recruiting over his 7 years here, and the future is looking more bleak.

Fact: Sunshine pumpers view last season as an aberration. Realists view the year of the 4 Kings as the aberration. Take away that year, and Pastner has given us 6 years with only ONE win vs a top 25 team…. and that was #25 Saint Mary's in which we dodged a last second 3 from the best shooter in the conference

Not arguing that Pastner's seat is beyond hot and, if it's affordable, he's gone, but let's put your stats in perspective.

Fact 1: Only 7.2% of teams can be in the top 25 or D-1 schools. You're not going to play that many, and, obviously, they're going to be hard to beat. Double the percentage to address Fact 3.

Fact 2: 70% of Pastner's wins have been against teams ranked 100 or higher in the RPI. Well, 72% of all teams are ranked 100 or higher, so this seems pretty reasonable.

Fact 4: Who knows? Speculation.

Facts 5-6: True, although St. Mary's star is probably getting more NBA minutes than any of the players from Memphis and, of course, it's helpful to just throw out any data/year that doesn't prove your point. It's like saying Kennedy had a great trip to Dallas, if you throw out that one little incident near the school book depository. Hey, it's only $10 million that could go to something productive and it's not our money. Right?

(01-28-2016 12:38 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 03:11 AM)GoeTygers Wrote:  Fact: Pastner has more losses to RPI 200 or worse than he has wins vs the top 25

Fact: 70% of Pastner's wins have come from teams ranked worse than 100 in the RPI

Fact: Pastner has a record below .500 against teams ranked in the top 50 of the RPI

Fact: A team of only our transfers over the last 1.5 yeas could be fielded and with an average coach, finish with a top 75 RPI and post season finish. With a good coach, NCAA.

Fact: Pastner has steadily lost ground in recruiting over his 7 years here, and the future is looking more bleak.

Fact: Sunshine pumpers view last season as an aberration. Realists view the year of the 4 Kings as the aberration. Take away that year, and Pastner has given us 6 years with only ONE win vs a top 25 team…. and that was #25 Saint Mary's in which we dodged a last second 3 from the best shooter in the conference

Not arguing that Pastner's seat is beyond hot and, if it's affordable, he's gone, but let's put your stats in perspective.

Fact 1: Only 7.2% of teams can be in the top 25 or D-1 schools. You're not going to play that many, and, obviously, they're going to be hard to beat. Double the percentage to address Fact 3.

Fact 2: 70% of Pastner's wins have been against teams ranked 100 or higher in the RPI. Well, 72% of all teams are ranked 100 or higher, so this seems pretty reasonable.

Fact 4: Who knows? Speculation.

Facts 5-6: True, although St. Mary's star is probably getting more NBA minutes than any of the players from Memphis and, of course, it's helpful to just throw out any data/year that doesn't prove your point. It's like saying Kennedy had a great trip to Dallas, if you throw out that one little incident near the school book depository. Hey, it's only $10 million that could go to something productive and it's not our money. Right?

Go re-watch the end of that St. Mary's game if you can find it. We tried to blow it in amazing fashion. Poorly coached