(01-05-2016 04:52 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:24 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:50 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  ... There's something to be said for earning each rung on the ladder - both in terms of experience and confidence gained through success and failure. I think that is the fundamental problem with Pastner - you learn how to motivate, how to relate to people, what works, what doesn't, and develop your own style of leadership. Move up too quickly and you miss out on those little steps of experience that make you good at being a leader.

He may yet develop into a good coach - being fired from here may be the best thing that ever happened to him.

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Belicheck sucked with Cleveland, is awesome at New England.

Lots of professionals of other stripes get promoted too fast, crash and burn, and come back stronger to be more successful.

Failure is a great motivator and teacher. I speak from personal experience. Architects (and most professions actually) learn from mistakes. I'm no different.

It takes time.

I have NO doubt Pastner will be a successful HC one day. Just not sure it will be here.

Actually Bellichek wasn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be in Cleveland. I watched a special on the 95 Browns. Modell screw that whole deal up with the move. He was about to turn it around.

Yeah, the germs were there.

Pastner does some things well, some things poorly. I would venture a reset might help him long term.

(01-05-2016 06:02 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:52 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:24 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:50 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  ... There's something to be said for earning each rung on the ladder - both in terms of experience and confidence gained through success and failure. I think that is the fundamental problem with Pastner - you learn how to motivate, how to relate to people, what works, what doesn't, and develop your own style of leadership. Move up too quickly and you miss out on those little steps of experience that make you good at being a leader.

He may yet develop into a good coach - being fired from here may be the best thing that ever happened to him.

...

Belicheck sucked with Cleveland, is awesome at New England.

Lots of professionals of other stripes get promoted too fast, crash and burn, and come back stronger to be more successful.

Failure is a great motivator and teacher. I speak from personal experience. Architects (and most professions actually) learn from mistakes. I'm no different.

It takes time.

I have NO doubt Pastner will be a successful HC one day. Just not sure it will be here.

Actually Bellichek wasn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be in Cleveland. I watched a special on the 95 Browns. Modell screw that whole deal up with the move. He was about to turn it around.

Yeah, the germs were there.

Pastner does some things well, some things poorly. I would venture a reset might help him long term.

Serious question, basketball wise, what does he do well in your opinion?

(01-05-2016 04:40 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Kava Tiger I respect you're opinion but you left it a little short with "just because". Can you expound on how the stupid things the PLAYERS do are Josh's fault. Is it lack of preparation, under development when a senior commits a dumb foul over and over. I don't see Duke, Ky, Kansas players doing that stuff as seniors, excluding Ky players don't get to be seniors.

Because it is his job to ensure they do not do stupid things and while this is just a movie do you remember in Hoosiers where the kid wasn't doing as he was told and was sent to the bench to observe. Then the kid fouls out and since they only had 6 players the kids jumps up to go in and Gene says not so fast. He had them play with only 4 players while an eligible player sat the bench.

That is the example that should be sent. Don't act right - don't play. For the long term good of the team

Sorry this was not a real life example but I had the opportunity to play in a big game in grade school. I was in the 6th grade and not very good. Our coach at the time put me in to replace a very good player that was dogging it. Sent the message to him that he could be, and was in this game, replaced by a much les experienced player.

(01-06-2016 04:21 PM)Kavatiger Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:40 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Kava Tiger I respect you're opinion but you left it a little short with "just because". Can you expound on how the stupid things the PLAYERS do are Josh's fault. Is it lack of preparation, under development when a senior commits a dumb foul over and over. I don't see Duke, Ky, Kansas players doing that stuff as seniors, excluding Ky players don't get to be seniors.

Because it is his job to ensure they do not do stupid things and while this is just a movie do you remember in Hoosiers where the kid wasn't doing as he was told and was sent to the bench to observe. Then the kid fouls out and since they only had 6 players the kids jumps up to go in and Gene says not so fast. He had them play with only 4 players while an eligible player sat the bench.

That is the example that should be sent. Don't act right - don't play. For the long term good of the team

Sorry this was not a real life example but I had the opportunity to play in a big game in grade school. I was in the 6th grade and not very good. Our coach at the time put me in to replace a very good player that was dogging it. Sent the message to him that he could be, and was in this game, replaced by a much les experienced player.

There are a good number of folks who refuse to accept that in the big boy world the buck stops with the head coach.

It's easier to place blame on ex-coaches, ex-assistants, former players, current players, referees, etc.

(01-06-2016 04:28 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:21 PM)Kavatiger Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 04:40 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Kava Tiger I respect you're opinion but you left it a little short with "just because". Can you expound on how the stupid things the PLAYERS do are Josh's fault. Is it lack of preparation, under development when a senior commits a dumb foul over and over. I don't see Duke, Ky, Kansas players doing that stuff as seniors, excluding Ky players don't get to be seniors.

Because it is his job to ensure they do not do stupid things and while this is just a movie do you remember in Hoosiers where the kid wasn't doing as he was told and was sent to the bench to observe. Then the kid fouls out and since they only had 6 players the kids jumps up to go in and Gene says not so fast. He had them play with only 4 players while an eligible player sat the bench.

That is the example that should be sent. Don't act right - don't play. For the long term good of the team

Sorry this was not a real life example but I had the opportunity to play in a big game in grade school. I was in the 6th grade and not very good. Our coach at the time put me in to replace a very good player that was dogging it. Sent the message to him that he could be, and was in this game, replaced by a much les experienced player.

There are a good number of folks who refuse to accept that in the big boy world the buck stops with the head coach.

It's easier to place blame on ex-coaches, ex-assistants, former players, current players, referees, etc.

This is the 7th year of "Coach Personal Matter". After Josh's comments on how Shaq shouldn't be suspended leads me to believe "personal matter" means the coach had his feelings hurt and that's the only way a player gets suspended.

Quote:There are a good number of folks who refuse to accept that in the big boy world the buck stops with the head coach.

It's easier to place blame on ex-coaches, ex-assistants, former players, current players, referees, etc.

Except when you are talking about Pastner.
It is always his fault. Didn't you read the memo?

(01-06-2016 05:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

Quote:There are a good number of folks who refuse to accept that in the big boy world the buck stops with the head coach.

It's easier to place blame on ex-coaches, ex-assistants, former players, current players, referees, etc.

Except when you are talking about Pastner.
It is always his fault. Didn't you read the memo?

Like a former Tiger/poster here used to say :

Sometimes the truth hurts