CJP did plenty wrong yesterday. Personnel, offense, no zone. At the same time, I think they had a pretty decent defensive game plan.
But back to the OP...He did work the refs the entire game. There was one time in particular I thought he had a tech. After imploring for a foul call on SC, and finally getting it from a ref all the way across the court, CJP ran up to the nearby ref and said "How could you not see that!". Thought that might get him.
He has failed to work refs in the past, but not yesterday.
Still pretty dumb to tell fans to contact the AD about refs.
(01-02-2016 09:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote: From Jason Smith's Twitter ...
"Pastner says he'll keep his mouth shut on officials, but adds Tigers fans should contact Tom Bowen about the officiating. Says "I'm heated.""
Wonder if Pastner demanded the crew from outer space to contact Bowe when Memphis got all the whistles when playing against the cream puffs earlier in the schedule.
Some major hose jobs and home cooking against the lower tier teams were given yet I doubt he gave a hoot.
Anybody crying about fouls need medication... heavy meds to be exact.
70+ percent win totals against chumps, zero % against top 25. Consistent, I'll give Buzz Light Year that....
(01-03-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I got a busy signal.
This guy already tried. He even "said it to his face"
No wonder he avoided me before the football games
Him saying, oh god here comes another one
Time and place. Tailgating and drinking at a football game, then coming up to talk about cutting Pastner's salary is probably not the right timing or approach.
(01-02-2016 09:27 PM)450bench Wrote: In a sea of dumb things coming from his mouth, that one takes the cake.
The fans should contact Bowen and demand another coach.
Incredible.....
Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2016 07:47 PM by snowtiger.)
(01-02-2016 11:13 PM)ItsDude Wrote: MTP...we've been way lower than the Pastner era...I've always been in all in with him but after seeing us losing these games we should win this year, I'm not sure. But we could do worse... Charlie Moore on the horizon, hopefully both Lawsons remain, need another big (PT Washington)....we still have a chance.
You can take it to the bank. If Pastner is removed none of the current staff will remain and that means the Lawsons are gone. Damond will NOT accept the HC position and Keelon will not settle for current position on next staff.
(01-02-2016 09:27 PM)450bench Wrote: In a sea of dumb things coming from his mouth, that one takes the cake.
The fans should contact Bowen and demand another coach.
Incredible.....
Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
He had a rep at SJSU as the axe man. I spoke with some in the department and they knew it. So what else could he really say, coming in? It's like coach-speak. Everyone can read between the lines. But you can't really come in saying, this department is a mess and we've let the football program decline to shambles, and I'm going to make major changes to clean it up.
Not really sure about the shots taken at CJP. Other than maybe showing that this was not going to be a Cal-RC relationship. He had a good relationship with Fuente - at least I know he did the first couple of years. So I wouldn't lump the early stuff with CJP in with all coaching relationships.
(01-02-2016 09:27 PM)450bench Wrote: In a sea of dumb things coming from his mouth, that one takes the cake.
The fans should contact Bowen and demand another coach.
Incredible.....
Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
He had a rep at SJSU as the axe man. I spoke with some in the department and they knew it. So what else could he really say, coming in? It's like coach-speak. Everyone can read between the lines. But you can't really come in saying, this department is a mess and we've let the football program decline to shambles, and I'm going to make major changes to clean it up.
Not really sure about the shots taken at CJP. Other than maybe showing that this was not going to be a Cal-RC relationship. He had a good relationship with Fuente - at least I know he did the first couple of years. So I wouldn't lump the early stuff with CJP in with all coaching relationships.
lol. He didn't need to say anything. His actions spoke loudly enough, for me anyway, and have continued to speak.
(01-02-2016 09:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
He had a rep at SJSU as the axe man. I spoke with some in the department and they knew it. So what else could he really say, coming in? It's like coach-speak. Everyone can read between the lines. But you can't really come in saying, this department is a mess and we've let the football program decline to shambles, and I'm going to make major changes to clean it up.
Not really sure about the shots taken at CJP. Other than maybe showing that this was not going to be a Cal-RC relationship. He had a good relationship with Fuente - at least I know he did the first couple of years. So I wouldn't lump the early stuff with CJP in with all coaching relationships.
lol. He didn't need to say anything. His actions spoke loudly enough, for me anyway, and have continued to speak.
But better than RC.
There's only two words left to be spoken, loudly or not- "You're fired". Until he says that to Josh, we slip further and further into irrelevance.
(01-03-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote: I got a busy signal.
This guy already tried. He even "said it to his face"
No wonder he avoided me before the football games
Him saying, oh god here comes another one
Time and place. Tailgating and drinking at a football game, then coming up to talk about cutting Pastner's salary is probably not the right timing or approach.
(01-03-2016 06:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
He had a rep at SJSU as the axe man. I spoke with some in the department and they knew it. So what else could he really say, coming in? It's like coach-speak. Everyone can read between the lines. But you can't really come in saying, this department is a mess and we've let the football program decline to shambles, and I'm going to make major changes to clean it up.
Not really sure about the shots taken at CJP. Other than maybe showing that this was not going to be a Cal-RC relationship. He had a good relationship with Fuente - at least I know he did the first couple of years. So I wouldn't lump the early stuff with CJP in with all coaching relationships.
lol. He didn't need to say anything. His actions spoke loudly enough, for me anyway, and have continued to speak.
But better than RC.
There's only two words left to be spoken, loudly or not- "You're fired". Until he says that to Josh, we slip further and further into irrelevance.
Yea, no kidding...it sure seems like his axe man reputation is in danger.
(01-03-2016 12:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote: This guy already tried. He even "said it to his face"
No wonder he avoided me before the football games
Him saying, oh god here comes another one
Time and place. Tailgating and drinking at a football game, then coming up to talk about cutting Pastner's salary is probably not the right timing or approach.
(01-02-2016 09:27 PM)450bench Wrote: In a sea of dumb things coming from his mouth, that one takes the cake.
The fans should contact Bowen and demand another coach.
Incredible.....
Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
If he was "gunning for our BB coach from day one", how come Josh got that extension?
No one will ever make me believe referees don't have an agenda when it comes to calling some games. They either get paid, have a son playing on the home team or are afraid to walk to their cars after the game. No matter what the Tigers did, they were NOT going to win that game. When an opponent shoots 39 fts in the second half there is no way to beat them. The Tigers drove the ball almost every time down court and you can't do that without picking up a lot of fouls. Ya'll can say I'm whining if you like but I've seen too many Tiger games since 1959 that were lost because of calls and no calls. Bill Walton played almost the entire last half of the UCLA game with 4 fouls, no way the refs were going to call that 5th one on a John Wooden team. Fast fwd. to 1985 Keith Lee and William Beford both in foul trouble early in the second half, no way a little upstart Memphis State Team was going to take down one of the great Big East teams. On to 2008 although poor foul shooting in the final minutes probably was the cause of that game, Joey Dorsey picked up a nickle and dime foul just before regulation was over making him unavailable for the overtime, then refs would not call a foul against the guard bringing the ball up court (and he was bumped often) in the closing seconds of overtime which would have given the Tigers a 1 point lead and the ball with only seconds on the clock even with two made FTs. The foul call on what should have been a jump ball against Markel was obvious, he never touched the guy. One call on Shaq was so phantom, the guy was already around him when the ref blew the whistle and Shaq gained no advantage or altered the shot. They blatantly were paying back Shaq for his antics to start the game. Whether the calls cost the Tigers the game or not can't be proven but referees are like US Supreme Court justices, there is no recourse or accountability when they calls games like Saturday's and there should be. When any team shoots 63 FTs in a game it needs to be reviewed. Yes Pastner should have crawled their arses way early in the game. He should have earned a technical foul. It was obvious after Martin would have a conference with the refs they would ramp up the calls against the Tigers.
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2016 12:12 PM by Antonio5fan.)
(01-04-2016 11:51 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote: No one will ever make me believe referees don't have an agenda when it comes to calling some games. They either get paid, have a son playing on the home team or are afraid to walk to their cars after the game. No matter what the Tigers did they were NOT
No doubt that all refs are human and some take sides. But that's not why we lost the game. We went 9 minutes without a FG in the second half and got outrebounded by 15.
(01-04-2016 11:51 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote: No one will ever make me believe referees don't have an agenda when it comes to calling some games. They either get paid, have a son playing on the home team or are afraid to walk to their cars after the game. No matter what the Tigers did they were NOT
No doubt that all refs are human and some take sides. But that's not why we lost the game. We went 9 minutes without a FG in the second half and got outrebounded by 15.
Well? If you don't get whistled for hacking our shooter, are you going to stop hacking?
(01-04-2016 11:51 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote: No one will ever make me believe referees don't have an agenda when it comes to calling some games. They either get paid, have a son playing on the home team or are afraid to walk to their cars after the game. No matter what the Tigers did they were NOT
No doubt that all refs are human and some take sides. But that's not why we lost the game. We went 9 minutes without a FG in the second half and got outrebounded by 15.
Well? If you don't get whistled for hacking our shooter, are you going to stop hacking?
There were 27 fouls called on South Carolina. We had 41. If you factor in us fouling late it wasn't that big a descrepancy
(01-02-2016 09:27 PM)450bench Wrote: In a sea of dumb things coming from his mouth, that one takes the cake.
The fans should contact Bowen and demand another coach.
Incredible.....
Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
If he was "gunning for our BB coach from day one", how come Josh got that extension?
I think he was prolly told to do extension and didn't disagree overly much. It was a turrible contract in retrospect, but I don't know how much he had to do with the actual details, so I ain't pointing the finger at him. lol.
It's Bowen's style that bothers me. I'm pretty sure he would have gunned for any coach in the beginning, whether one needed removal or not. It's the only thing he knew how to do. Whether he's developed more communication skills in his time here...I dunno.
Anyway, I don't dislike or like the feller. But I do want an AD who can communicate with our head coaches...both the ones we dislike and the ones we like. It's not that difficult to push money around so that it looks more balanced, or it looks like we're trying. We just need more than that from an AD.
If you turn the sound down and watch Bowen scurry around it's a an interesting read on him. I've done that multiple times.
Long morning dissertation summed up: :D We ain't in a Power Con. Bowen is here, Pastner is here. Fuente is gone. ugh.
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2016 12:59 PM by snowtiger.)
(01-02-2016 09:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Why would Bowen listen to fans no matter what they had to say.
I know you're not a fan of his. Sorry about that.
I did meet him a couple of years ago. He seemed very sincere and did ask and listen to a few things. He is a different personality from RC - for sure. He's not all salesman and smiles and pressing flesh. But he seemed solid and gave me a business card, and I feel like I could contact him if I needed to do so.
He came in gunnin' for our BB head coach after saying silly **** about how he was gonna listen and learn before he made any moves.
More than one of us noticed. I mean going after the BB head coach and making a mockery of him seemed to be a bit early ish and perhaps indicative of his 'way'. (firing 8 or 9 coaches at San Jose in 8 years)
About three of us on Roar discussed it at length very openly. At least one of us was who objected was not a fan of CJP's, but he did not like what that said about his ability to establish relationships with his head coaches either.
If he was "gunning for our BB coach from day one", how come Josh got that extension?
I think he was prolly told to do extension and didn't disagree overly much. It was a turrible contract in retrospect, but I don't know how much he had to do with the actual details, so I ain't pointing the finger at him. lol.
It's Bowen's style that bothers me. I'm pretty sure he would have gunned for any coach in the beginning, whether one needed removal or not. It's the only thing he knew how to do. Whether he's developed more communication skills in his time here...I dunno.
Anyway, I don't dislike or like the feller. But I do want an AD who can communicate with our head coaches...both the ones we dislike and the ones we like. It's not that difficult to push money around so that it looks more balanced, or it looks like we're trying. We just need more than that from an AD.
If you turn the sound down and watch Bowen scurry around it's a an interesting read on him. I've done that multiple times.
Long morning dissertation summed up: :D We ain't in a Power Con. Bowen is here, Pastner is here. Fuente is gone. ugh.
I think the people you were talking with have no clue, but that's par for the course with that bunch
(01-04-2016 11:51 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote: No one will ever make me believe referees don't have an agenda when it comes to calling some games. They either get paid, have a son playing on the home team or are afraid to walk to their cars after the game. No matter what the Tigers did, they were NOT going to win that game. When an opponent shoots 39 fts in the second half there is no way to beat them. The Tigers drove the ball almost every time down court and you can't do that without picking up a lot of fouls. Ya'll can say I'm whining if you like but I've seen too many Tiger games since 1959 that were lost because of calls and no calls. Bill Walton played almost the entire last half of the UCLA game with 4 fouls, no way the refs were going to call that 5th one on a John Wooden team. Fast fwd. to 1985 Keith Lee and William Beford both in foul trouble early in the second half, no way a little upstart Memphis State Team was going to take down one of the great Big East teams. On to 2008 although poor foul shooting in the final minutes probably was the cause of that game, Joey Dorsey picked up a nickle and dime foul just before regulation was over making him unavailable for the overtime, then refs would not call a foul against the guard bringing the ball up court (and he was bumped often) in the closing seconds of overtime which would have given the Tigers a 1 point lead and the ball with only seconds on the clock even with two made FTs. The foul call on what should have been a jump ball against Markel was obvious, he never touched the guy. One call on Shaq was so phantom, the guy was already around him when the ref blew the whistle and Shaq gained no advantage or altered the shot. They blatantly were paying back Shaq for his antics to start the game. Whether the calls cost the Tigers the game or not can't be proven but referees are like US Supreme Court justices, there is no recourse or accountability when they calls games like Saturday's and there should be. When any team shoots 63 FTs in a game it needs to be reviewed. Yes Pastner should have crawled their arses way early in the game. He should have earned a technical foul. It was obvious after Martin would have a conference with the refs they would ramp up the calls against the Tigers.
No doubt. Like you said, seen it many times. For and against the Tigers. Watching college basketball isn't much entertainment for me like it once was. The quality of play is not very good and the biased officiating is even worse.
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2016 02:22 PM by midtowncowboy.)
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