https://youtu.be/nCM7qcRyfKo

There is one advantage to being a stepping stone. Your coach will work his tail off to move up. A few of these coaches who have retired at their "dream job" locations lost the fire well before they called it quits.

Being P5 does not mean you are suddenly not a stepping stone. (just ask Louisville)

(11-25-2015 01:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Being P5 does not mean you are suddenly not a stepping stone. (just ask Louisville)

Point

I think it depends on the age of the coach you hire. Say you get a guy a little older than Fuente, say 45. Maybe he's been around, waited a long time to get a shot. He makes the program his and it's successful and he's happy with the money and the school is competitive in keeping him paid among the best in the conference or non P5 as long as that's out there. You might get a guy that stays ten years. That's a lifetime in coaching these days.

(11-25-2015 01:34 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I think it depends on the age of the coach you hire. Say you get a guy a little older than Fuente, say 45. Maybe he's been around, waited a long time to get a shot. He makes the program his and it's successful and he's happy with the money and the school is competitive in keeping him paid among the best in the conference or non P5 as long as that's out there. You might get a guy that stays ten years. That's a lifetime in coaching these days.

Hadn't thought about that, you make a good point. But if he's that old and hasn't been a head coach or been successful as one then is he really any good?

(11-25-2015 08:38 AM)SmokyTiger Wrote:  So what's the longest any successful coach at Memphis would be expected to stay?
And why can't we be like TCU?

1) nobody is TCU...what has happened there takes a special person. He's been offered top 10 jobs and turned them down, year after year...

2) they will stay until they get offered better job...outside of TCU, there's really only a handful that can keep their coach.

Coming out of the dumpster fire, your GOAL is to become a stepping stone. Then you want to be a stepping stone for only top of the other conferences, then a stepping stone for only the top programs, finally a top program. That is the great chain of being, have to climb it one rung at a time. So to answer your question it takes time + consistent success+ conference equity.

(11-25-2015 08:38 AM)SmokyTiger Wrote:  So what's the longest any successful coach at Memphis would be expected to stay?
And why can't we be like TCU?

the 2nd year after they win 8-9 games....

i am thrilled that we have moved up to 'stepping stone'. That is a long way from 'career killer'.

(11-25-2015 08:38 AM)SmokyTiger Wrote:  So what's the longest any successful coach at Memphis would be expected to stay?

Spook Murphy, with a record of 91-44-1 and the most successful coach we ever had coached here for 14 years until vocal malcontents decided he couldn't coach and generated enough negativity to force him out. About a year later, another great decision was made and we began emphasizing basketball at the expense of football. Spook once publicly stated that there are important people in this town who don't want Tiger football to succeed.

Miami elevated itself in the 1980s...being the only real outsider, FSU to a lesser extent, to crack the old boys football set up.

Even in the middle of their greatest success, they were a stepping stone..although to the pros, which I recognize is different.

Schnellenberger left for the USFL, Jimmy Johnson to the girls...and even later, Butch Davis to the NFL.

Some odd circumstances arose, but even Franchione used Alabama as a stepping stone to TX A and M.

(11-25-2015 01:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Being P5 does not mean you are suddenly not a stepping stone. (just ask Louisville)

Ask Tennessee - Kiffin
Ask Ole Miss. - Tubberville

(11-25-2015 02:03 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Coming out of the dumpster fire, your GOAL is to become a stepping stone. Then you want to be a stepping stone for only top of the other conferences, then a stepping stone for only the top programs, finally a top program. That is the great chain of being, have to climb it one rung at a time. So to answer your question it takes time + consistent success+ conference equity.

Excellent summary. Like it or not that is the path we have to follow for being so bad for so long. There are very few Bobby Bowden's or Frank Beamer's out there, who are willing to come in, build up, and stick with a program all of their career. If we had a former Memphis player who was a good coach, this might be possible. However, I can't think of any offhand that would be good, proven candidates - our last one was a total disaster.

We will NEVER NOT be a stepping stone unless we become Ohio St, Alabama, Florida, or Texas

It will never happen so why fret over the impossible?

Just make a good hire and when he moves on, make another good hire.

(11-25-2015 02:39 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Schnellenberger left for the USFL, Jimmy Johnson to the girls...and even later, Butch Davis to the NFL.

Some odd circumstances arose, but even Franchione used Alabama as a stepping stone to TX A and M.

These are exactly the examples I thought of. Even Spurrier left his alma mater for the NFL. There shouldn't be any speculation that Fisher is leaving FSU but who the heck knows? I mean, shouldn't he be saying "Hell no I'm not going to LSU I've won a National Championship at this school why would I leave?"

Don't worry about being a steppingstone. Worry about finding the right fit for the program. The Beamers, Bowdens, and Osbornes are few and far between and even when schools have the right guy they fire them all to soon. I still think Nebraska never should have fired Frank Solich and that Southern Miss did Bower wrong, but what do I know.

As far as moving up, Louisville (as much as I hate to say it) figured it out. Raise money like the devil, build your own facilities that you control, and do everything you can to raise the profile of the school - in this case whore yourself out for Tuesday and Wednesday night games. Outside of that, I'm at a loss.

There are three factors that we control that would make this a destination job and not a stepping stone. The three factors are in no particular order: attendance, facilities and salaries. As we step up to the plate in these three areas, the job becomes attractive indeed.

Affiliation in a power conference is not a thing we control directly.

In terms of coachs, we need another coach that continues to follow the recruiting model of TCU, that of finding and developing talent that may not be the highest rated by the recruiting services.

(11-25-2015 02:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 08:38 AM)SmokyTiger Wrote:  So what's the longest any successful coach at Memphis would be expected to stay?

Spook Murphy, with a record of 91-44-1 and the most successful coach we ever had coached here for 14 years until vocal malcontents decided he couldn't coach and generated enough negativity to force him out. About a year later, another great decision was made and we began emphasizing basketball at the expense of football. Spook once publicly stated that there are important people in this town who don't want Tiger football to succeed.

Okay! We're on to something HERE! Explain more about this "Spook" Murphy thing. As I eluded to in another post,that there has to be underlying issues! Fuente is a VERY bright man.....someone also mentioned in a post that he is practically being forced out @ Memphis due to scandal like behaviors! Are there ties to either UT or Ole Mrs. That are more interested in Memphis' downfall than success?

Let the conspiracy theories begin! It's the perfect timing for these stories to surface, as media attention has NEVER been gr8er than NOW & I can go BACK to my "peaceful" world of NOT giving a DAMN about Tiger

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(11-25-2015 05:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 01:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Being P5 does not mean you are suddenly not a stepping stone. (just ask Louisville)

Ask Tennessee - Kiffin
Ask Ole Miss. - Tubberville

Agreed.

(11-25-2015 02:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 08:38 AM)SmokyTiger Wrote:  So what's the longest any successful coach at Memphis would be expected to stay?

Spook Murphy, with a record of 91-44-1 and the most successful coach we ever had coached here for 14 years until vocal malcontents decided he couldn't coach and generated enough negativity to force him out. About a year later, another great decision was made and we began emphasizing basketball at the expense of football. Spook once publicly stated that there are important people in this town who don't want Tiger football to succeed.

So offering Bartow a $250 raise after making the championship game was "emphasizing basketball"? You DO know who the AD was back then right?