(11-22-2015 12:28 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  ... It's as if we don't know what to do when we can't complain lol. ..

Ha, some truth there, I think. The next time anyone here starts to type "JMU always gets screwed...." stop and remember today. I'm not sure what we'll do with the opportunity, but we certainly can't complain about the draw.

GO DUUUUKES!!

(11-22-2015 12:52 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 12:28 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  ... It's as if we don't know what to do when we can't complain lol. ..

Ha, some truth there, I think. The next time anyone here starts to type "JMU always gets screwed...." stop and remember today. I'm not sure what we'll do with the opportunity, but we certainly can't complain about the draw.

GO DUUUUKES!!

Because it wasnt the caa in charge!

Excited for the team and getting the bye is excellent!! Two weeks to prepare (well one for the specific opponent after next weekend). Hoping to make it up for the game and when we win and if McNeese State wins I may be at that one as well (wife is from New Orleans). Go Dukes!!

Anyone looking to sell a P-Lot parking pass for the 2nd round game, please pm me.

(11-22-2015 12:06 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 11:55 AM)Harrisonburger Wrote:  Seems pretty clear they decided to honor the sense that MVC is the best conference this year. Looks like a deliberate decision to give them the most participants. And, there seems to be a history of taking two OVC teams, regardless. Meant Towson and North Dakota are left on the outside.

They are the best conference - by far!

I said the CAA was far the best 1AA conference years back. The MVC is every bit as dominating as the CAA used to be.

We would be an underdog to 4 of the MVC teams that made the tournament by at least a touchdown an a neutral field.

The computer rankings have the MVC 12 points better than the CAA.

The MVC is rated above 5 1A/Sub conferences. The CAA is the 4th ranked 1AA conference. JMU or the CAA should have no complaints.

Agree on MVFC. Clearly head and shoulders above everyone else #1. As far as #2, depends on what you're looking at. A guy who does weekly updated conference standings on CS. OOC vs I-AA through Week 11 by winning percentage:
1. MVFC: 16-3
2. CAA: 16-7
3. So-Con 12-6
-- Ivy: 16-8 (mostly against Patriot)
5. Big South: 14-8
6. OVC: 8-5
7. Patriot: 15-17 (mostly against Ivy)
8. Big Sky: 5-7
9. MEAC 3-9
10. Pioneer: 5-12

*Southland: 0-3 (outside of I-A/Div II most of their OOC games are in conference)
*SWAC: 0-6 (outside of I-A/Div II most of their OOC games are in conference).

Sagarin doesn't show it now, but I think you can at least make the argument the CAA is #2...

(11-22-2015 12:22 PM)Harrisonburger Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 12:06 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 11:55 AM)Harrisonburger Wrote:  Seems pretty clear they decided to honor the sense that MVC is the best conference this year. Looks like a deliberate decision to give them the most participants. And, there seems to be a history of taking two OVC teams, regardless. Meant Towson and North Dakota are left on the outside.

They are the best conference - by far!

I said the CAA was far the best 1AA conference years back. The MVC is every bit as dominating as the CAA used to be.

We would be an underdog to 4 of the MVC teams that made the tournament by at least a touchdown an a neutral field.

The computer rankings have the MVC 12 points better than the CAA.

The MVC is rated above 5 1A/Sub conferences. The CAA is the 4th ranked 1AA conference. JMU or the CAA should have no complaints.

Sure. We're both just pointing out why a 6-5 W. Illinois team is in. The conspicuous alternatives were to take a fifth CAA team with an unimpressive resume, or a North Dakota team that seems kind of apples to apples as a regional comparison, where you'd have to be giving a lot of cred to that one extra win against weaker competition. Plus, we're talking last team in. It's not like folks are expecting the Leathernecks to make a deep run, or think North Dakota or Towson got denied a serious opportunity to make one.

It is occurring to me that UNH is getting a bit of a pass due to the QB injuries. Didn't Towson's rough patch match up with a banged up Victor? Don't know that this is as big a difference as folks seem to think. Yep, the Elon loss was bad, but being so banged up at RB that you've got someone in the game literally playing out of position would be hard even on NDSU. Towson beats Elon and they're 8-3. Of course this looks like biggest year ever for arguments on how much your position in all this would swing on a different outcome in just one game.

If I'm in charge, I don't put 6 win teams in over 7 win teams, unless the difference in quality is more egregious than what we have this year. And I definitely wouldn't carve it in stone that OVC gets in 2 teams. But then, I'm not in charge. :-)

Good post Harrisonburger, esp bolded.

Last 4 in were UNH, WIU, EIU and ??
1st 2 out: ND, TU.

1st I would have left EIU out (didn't beat a single playoff team) and put in ND.

2nd TU over WIU? Thats a tough one. WIU has some good wins and some bad losses. 2-3 vs playoffs (2-2 vs other 4 MVFC and lost @ CCU).
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team...athernecks

Since VU lost to JMU and StFU lost to Duquesne TU ended up being 0-2 vs CAA playoffs losing handily to JMU & W&M & didn't play UR & UNH + had the bad loss to Elon. Of course by halftime of that Elon game as you said they had not only Victor out but their next 5 tailbacks- they literally had no backs left + were out a couple OL. They probably beat Elon 8 times out of 10..According to the selection committee were one of the last 2 teams left out along with 7-4 ND...I would have put in TU over WIU because one I don't like the 6-5 precedent, and yeah I am biased towards the CAA..

If JMU can take care of UNH good chance SUU or SHSU knocks off McNeese. If that happened would be hosting qtrfinal. Maybe the Sunglasses will be making a return to Bridgeforth..

I thought the seed always hosts unless they are playing a higher seed.
I don't think bids will matter if Sam Houston St or Southern Utah knocks of Mcneese.

(11-22-2015 01:44 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I thought the seed always hosts unless they are playing a higher seed.
I don't think bids will matter if Sam Houston St or Southern Utah knocks of Mcneese.

Correct. You just BDK'd BDK.

(11-22-2015 01:44 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I thought the seed always hosts unless they are playing a higher seed.
I don't think bids will matter if Sam Houston St or Southern Utah knocks of Mcneese.

Yeah, my bad. JMU would be @ McNeese, would host the other 2. So I guess root for the SHSU Keelers or SUU? I don't know which has better chance at knocking off McNeese (McNeese already beat SHSU 27-10) and which would be a tougher matchup for JMU?

Interestingly, unh and colgate played each other in second week of season. unh won, 22-6.

(11-22-2015 02:09 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  Interestingly, unh and colgate played each other in second week of season. unh won, 22-6.

yeah, the typically rock solid no first round regular season rematch rule has clearly been violated there. That pisses me off about last year and how a lower ranked UR team got a cupcake in Morgan State to avoid a rematch with Liberty.

(11-22-2015 02:27 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 02:09 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  Interestingly, unh and colgate played each other in second week of season. unh won, 22-6.

yeah, the typically rock solid no first round regular season rematch rule has clearly been violated there. That pisses me off about last year and how a lower ranked UR team got a cupcake in Morgan State to avoid a rematch with Liberty.

Not standing up for the NCAA but I can see the argument for violating the UNWRITTEN rule about no 1st round rematches. Who would you have matched up with UNH AND Colgate while keeping it within the 400 mile limit for busing. Only option I see is giving UNH Fordham and Colgate getting Duquesne. Basically any other form of matchups would have resulted in multiple plane trips in the 1st round at the NCAA's expense.

I'm eating crow. Nothing to complain about at all. Great seed and great draw to get to the NC. NDSU got screwed a bit. RU and W&M got what they deserved and I love it.

(11-22-2015 07:42 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I'm eating crow. Nothing to complain about at all. Great seed and great draw to get to the NC. NDSU got screwed a bit. RU and W&M got what they deserved and I love it.

NDSU did not get screwed. They're lucky to be the #3 seed. I think there's saying something in being undefeated and McNeese should've been seeded ahead of them. I know the SLC isn't as strong as the MVFC, but still. Undefeated and a four seed. That's a joke.
NDSU is as far down as a 3 seed because of their two losses. One was to a 7-4 playoff team and another was just a bad loss.

(11-22-2015 02:05 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 01:44 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I thought the seed always hosts unless they are playing a higher seed.
I don't think bids will matter if Sam Houston St or Southern Utah knocks of Mcneese.

Yeah, my bad. JMU would be @ McNeese, would host the other 2. So I guess root for the SHSU Keelers or SUU? I don't know which has better chance at knocking off McNeese (McNeese already beat SHSU 27-10) and which would be a tougher matchup for JMU?

Sam Houston St. stumbled with that early loss to Lamar. They also lost 27-10 at McNeese only a couple weeks ago, but are probably licking their chops at the chance for revenge. They definitely have holes on defense, but they mirror the offensive output of JMU. They are dangerous but prone to mistakes.

Southern Utah, although the Big Sky conference champion, avoided three of the best Big Sky teams (Montana, Eastern Washington, North Dakota) due to unbalanced scheduling. I think they are not as good as their 8-3 record, or at least you can say that have not been tested the same as say a Montana or Portland State.

It might be worth noting SUU's loss to SHSU in 2013. http://www.ncaa.com/video/football/2013-...t-southern

SUU seeking revenge on Sam Houston (game will once again be in Texas), and SHSU looking to get back at conference mate McNeese St. (game will once again be in Louisiana). I think we root for SUU to win on the road twice. Three times on the road in the playoffs is hard and nothing suggests Southern Utah has the horses for that many races. My guess is Keeler has his guys ready and wins vs. SUU and sends McNeese packing early after an undefeated season up to that point.

Wow, I just looked at UNH's schedule and I am left scratching my head a bit as to how they even got a bid. Someone really wanted their streak to continue I guess. Bad losses (mostly in terms of margin) to Stony Brook (31-6) and Delaware (31-14) stand out to me. They also did not play well at William and Mary (34-18). Four wins to finish the season mostly against the dregs of the CAA + Richmond, but total body of work is very mediocre. I like North Dakota's resume much better, and even Towson compares very equally (bad close loss to Elon, but wins over Stony Brook and 19-0 over Delaware).

I was wrong on 7-4/5-3 being a lock out of the CAA. Mea culpa. I honestly thought with the extra at large in a 24 team field that would be a shoo in.

But 2 things happened.
TU's weaker resume. TU ended up being:
-0-2 vs playoff. Lost to JMU by 3 TDs and W&M by 2 TDs.
-Didn't play UR or UNH.
-No really good wins (their best was VU) and the bad loss to Elon.

Two, Committee set a new precendent by taking a 6-5 with an At large. I was assuming 6-5 out of the MVFC would't get in. I don't think the committee has ever taken a 6 win at large, at least one with 4 I-AA losses. That is a game changer.

(11-22-2015 08:21 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 07:42 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I'm eating crow. Nothing to complain about at all. Great seed and great draw to get to the NC. NDSU got screwed a bit. RU and W&M got what they deserved and I love it.

NDSU did not get screwed. They're lucky to be the #3 seed. I think there's saying something in being undefeated and McNeese should've been seeded ahead of them. I know the SLC isn't as strong as the MVFC, but still. Undefeated and a four seed. That's a joke.
NDSU is as far down as a 3 seed because of their two losses. One was to a 7-4 playoff team and another was just a bad loss.

Agreed. NDSU got gifted with a #3 seed...

What I really don't get is they give an at large to 6-5 WIU AND they essentially give them a bye in the 1st round? WTF? If you're going to give at at large to a 6-5, at least don't pair them with the biggest cupcake in the field 1st round...