(12-03-2015 10:22 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:18 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Josh mishandled Iverson from day one. What if he had been used like the Lawson's? I don't see either of them getting yanked after missing a wide open 3 or turning it over driving into traffic.

Either A. Josh has learned something

Or

B. Iverson didn't have a relative on the bench

Ding ding ding...

Iverson didn't have much upstairs.

(12-03-2015 10:32 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:24 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:23 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:16 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:12 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  He's obviously still playing loose with the ball at 3 turns/game. Throwing bricks at the FT line - 51%. Overall his numbers are up though with more playing time. However, we can't tell from these stats if he's playing defense.

Still cut from the Spoon mold. Not really a big man, OK on the perimeter.

Kids playing really well. This is pretty ridiculous.

His numbers reveal that he's the same player he was here. He's just playing more. With Iverson we would have had too many mouths to feed. If I remember correctly JP made that decision before Nichols left.

Signed,

Kentucky, Duke, UNC, etc.

We aren't Duke, nor do we recruit the same type players. KI is doing well at Rhode Island.

Yeah Duke and UK recruit better players and they all seem to get fed...

If you look at Iversons #s this year an argument can be made that his numbers are better than Austins last year.

(12-03-2015 10:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:32 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:24 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:23 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:16 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Kids playing really well. This is pretty ridiculous.

His numbers reveal that he's the same player he was here. He's just playing more. With Iverson we would have had too many mouths to feed. If I remember correctly JP made that decision before Nichols left.

Signed,

Kentucky, Duke, UNC, etc.

We aren't Duke, nor do we recruit the same type players. KI is doing well at Rhode Island.

Yeah Duke and UK recruit better players and they all seem to get fed...

If you look at Iversons #s this year an argument can be made that his numbers are better than Austins last year.

Glad somebody got my point...

(12-03-2015 10:35 AM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:22 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:18 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Josh mishandled Iverson from day one. What if he had been used like the Lawson's? I don't see either of them getting yanked after missing a wide open 3 or turning it over driving into traffic.

Either A. Josh has learned something

Or

B. Iverson didn't have a relative on the bench

Ding ding ding...

Iverson didn't have much upstairs.

The guy is clearly a very talented basketball player...

(12-03-2015 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  As I have always said...Iverson, King and Nichols were big losses for Josh (The core of that class 3 years ago)...They weren't just some guys who couldn't play.

Iverson would be our 2nd/3rd best player right now on this team.

2nd or 3rd? Iverson got a double double against Holy Cross. Holy Cross is one of the worst Div I teams out there.

Against La Tech, Shaq had an 18-12, Burrell had a 10-11, and Crawford had a 13-9. La Tech is a good team, likely top 100.

Against Oklahoma, Lawson had a 22-15 and against Ohio St he had a 16-10.

Thats 3 guys on the Memphis team who have had double doubles against far better opponents than the one Iverson played against last night.

You think Iverson is better than Lawson, Shaq, or Burrell? Crawford is putting up similar or better numbers in a fraction of the playing time.

(12-03-2015 09:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  As I have always said...Iverson, King and Nichols were big losses for Josh (The core of that class 3 years ago)...They weren't just some guys who couldn't play.

Iverson would be our 2nd/3rd best player right now on this team.

Yup

How would you know? You haven't even seen us play this season.

(12-03-2015 10:23 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:16 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:12 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  He's obviously still playing loose with the ball at 3 turns/game. Throwing bricks at the FT line - 51%. Overall his numbers are up though with more playing time. However, we can't tell from these stats if he's playing defense.

Still cut from the Spoon mold. Not really a big man, OK on the perimeter.

Kids playing really well. This is pretty ridiculous.

His numbers reveal that he's the same player he was here. He's just playing more. With Iverson we would have had too many mouths to feed. If I remember correctly JP made that decision before Nichols left.

No, his numbers reveal that he is actually playing more efficiently than he was here.

Yeah, I guess we're better off without Nichols and Iverson and King. All those damn mouths to feed.

(12-03-2015 10:39 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  As I have always said...Iverson, King and Nichols were big losses for Josh (The core of that class 3 years ago)...They weren't just some guys who couldn't play.

Iverson would be our 2nd/3rd best player right now on this team.

2nd or 3rd? Iverson got a double double against Holy Cross. Holy Cross is one of the worst Div I teams out there.

Against La Tech, Shaq had an 18-12, Burrell had a 10-11, and Crawford had a 13-9. La Tech is a good team, likely top 100.

Against Oklahoma, Lawson had a 22-15 and against Ohio St he had a 16-10.

Thats 3 guys on the Memphis team who have had double doubles against far better opponents than the one Iverson played against last night.

You think Iverson is better than Lawson, Shaq, or Burrell? Crawford is putting up similar or better numbers in a fraction of the playing time.

Yes, I would say Iverson is definitely better than Crawford, better than Burrell most nights, and would flip flop with Shaq depending on which Shaq decided to show up. Lawson is by far the most talented player on our team.

(12-03-2015 10:40 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:23 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:16 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:12 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  He's obviously still playing loose with the ball at 3 turns/game. Throwing bricks at the FT line - 51%. Overall his numbers are up though with more playing time. However, we can't tell from these stats if he's playing defense.

Still cut from the Spoon mold. Not really a big man, OK on the perimeter.

Kids playing really well. This is pretty ridiculous.

His numbers reveal that he's the same player he was here. He's just playing more. With Iverson we would have had too many mouths to feed. If I remember correctly JP made that decision before Nichols left.

No, his numbers reveal that he is actually playing more efficiently than he was here.

Yeah, I guess we're better off without Nichols and Iverson and King. All those damn mouths to feed.

The JP followers motto... Addition by subtraction. I have heard that a lot of the last 6 years or so.

(12-03-2015 10:44 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:40 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:23 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:16 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:12 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  He's obviously still playing loose with the ball at 3 turns/game. Throwing bricks at the FT line - 51%. Overall his numbers are up though with more playing time. However, we can't tell from these stats if he's playing defense.

Still cut from the Spoon mold. Not really a big man, OK on the perimeter.

Kids playing really well. This is pretty ridiculous.

His numbers reveal that he's the same player he was here. He's just playing more. With Iverson we would have had too many mouths to feed. If I remember correctly JP made that decision before Nichols left.

No, his numbers reveal that he is actually playing more efficiently than he was here.

Yeah, I guess we're better off without Nichols and Iverson and King. All those damn mouths to feed.

The JP followers motto... Addition by subtraction. I have heard that a lot of the last 6 years or so.

I want JP gone most of the time, so you're wrong about that. I just don't think most of the transfer players you guys clamor about were that great. Either way, the coach is at fault.

(12-03-2015 10:39 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  As I have always said...Iverson, King and Nichols were big losses for Josh (The core of that class 3 years ago)...They weren't just some guys who couldn't play.

Iverson would be our 2nd/3rd best player right now on this team.

2nd or 3rd? Iverson got a double double against Holy Cross. Holy Cross is one of the worst Div I teams out there.

Against La Tech, Shaq had an 18-12, Burrell had a 10-11, and Crawford had a 13-9. La Tech is a good team, likely top 100.

Against Oklahoma, Lawson had a 22-15 and against Ohio St he had a 16-10.

Thats 3 guys on the Memphis team who have had double doubles against far better opponents than the one Iverson played against last night.

You think Iverson is better than Lawson, Shaq, or Burrell? Crawford is putting up similar or better numbers in a fraction of the playing time.

LOL...are you serious.

Rhode Island and Memphis have played very similar schedules and Iverson is averaging 12 and 6 shooting 52% from the field and 43% from the 3 on a team that plays a much slower pace than the tigers.

There can be arguments easily made that Iverson is performing better than Tarrant and Burell based on the stats I posted alone.

(12-03-2015 09:58 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:56 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  As I have always said...Iverson, King and Nichols were big losses for Josh (The core of that class 3 years ago)...They weren't just some guys who couldn't play.

Iverson would be our 2nd/3rd best player right now on this team.

Not sure I agree with that, but even so...at the time he was at Memphis, he was a bad fit and had to go.

Seems folks say that about EVERY transfer out of the program.

Danny Hurley seems to have no problems maximizing player ability.

As evidenced by his career 86-73 record? He has zero NCAA appearances and one NIT in 5 years as a HC. One winning season in 3 years at URI...Okay...

2011 Wagner: 13-17; 230 kenpom rating
2012 Wagner: 25-6; 103 kenpom rating
2013 URI: 8-21; 193 kenpom rating
2014 URI: 14-18; 103 kenpom rating
2015 URI: 23-10; 56 kenpom rating
2016 URI: 4-2; 41 kenpom rating

Come again?

(12-03-2015 11:55 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:58 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:56 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  As I have always said...Iverson, King and Nichols were big losses for Josh (The core of that class 3 years ago)...They weren't just some guys who couldn't play.

Iverson would be our 2nd/3rd best player right now on this team.

Not sure I agree with that, but even so...at the time he was at Memphis, he was a bad fit and had to go.

Seems folks say that about EVERY transfer out of the program.

Danny Hurley seems to have no problems maximizing player ability.

As evidenced by his career 86-73 record? He has zero NCAA appearances and one NIT in 5 years as a HC. One winning season in 3 years at URI...Okay...

He took over a bad RI program - not quite like taking over the Memphis program coming off a 30+ win season and returning multiple players from an NCAA S16 team.

He's gone from 8 wins in year one to 23 in year three.

How many top 20 recruiting classes/McDonald's AAs do you think he's had at RI?

Like I said, he's better at maximizing what he has.

As evidenced by the fact that Kuran Iverson is averaging 12 and 6 shooting 52% from the field and 43% from the 3 - what were his numbers under Pastner again?

Give Hurley the same talent Pastner had and dude is ruling the A10.

(12-03-2015 12:03 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  2011 Wagner: 13-17; 230 kenpom rating
2012 Wagner: 25-6; 103 kenpom rating
2013 URI: 8-21; 193 kenpom rating
2014 URI: 14-18; 103 kenpom rating
2015 URI: 23-10; 56 kenpom rating
2016 URI: 4-2; 41 kenpom rating

Come again?

Down goes Frazier

The bottom line is Shaq is allowed to go 1-9 from the field. Dedric and KJ are allowed to Jack 3s and turn it over. Iverson wasn't. Remember Iverson was ranked just as high coming out of high school.

we living in the past?

(12-03-2015 12:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  we living in the past?

Shtt, we got posters who still can't/won't type out "Calipari".

(12-03-2015 12:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 12:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  we living in the past?

Shtt, we got posters who still can't/won't type out "Calipari".

who Fredo?

Lol here we go again.