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When watching our offense I see what looks like an attempt to be a big play offense. We need to work the ball down the field "move the chains".

We are trying to get the ball to receivers that just don't catch the ball in games very well. I liked the short slants we ran a couple of times last night to get us a solid 7 or 8 yards.

I understand the OC doesn't think we can run block with our guys up front, but we have at least one back that can make his own holes. That run helps set up the pass. We are trying to force the ball to our "playmaker" receivers at all times. Looks like we are only looking at one guy each play. Very evident last night. When is the last time we used our TE. Last year we threw the ball to him 60 or 70 times. This year we have thrown to him 10 times! I know it is a different guy but he can catch the ball. I have seen him open and the ball goes to another receiver that doesn't catch the ball. I think the OC we had before just knew how to run an offense. Last year we had a receiver that was complaining about the OC and playing time, this year that receiver doesn't even get to play, and he is pretty good. (May be other issues there I don't know). I think with Brian Rock we, the fans, had a "grass is always greener" mentality. Well believe me it is not greener with our new guy. If PH wants to get out from under things, he is going to need to get rid of the OC and maybe now.

Defensively we are pretty solid. Just a few breakdowns here and there. We do need to make sure someone has contain and force at all times, that rose up and bit us a few times last night.

I believe PH to be a good man but he needs to get rid of OC. I know people were not lining up for this job last year, and I think that is why we got what we did.

"I know people were not lining up for this job last year, and I think that is why we got what we did."

And herein lies the problem and why I called for FCS a few weeks ago but was ridiculed and said would never happen. IF we aren't going to pay and have the right resources for FBS its not a sustainable model. Everything about this program (from the AD, stadium, budget, quality of coaches, pay rates, fan base, qb play, etc, etc, etc.) looks like a D2 or FBS program. Wake up folks a Toledo, BG or NIU program aint happening here without drastic change. So what are we trying to accomplish? Pretend we are FBS so we can stay in the MAC???

Haynes makes more than Babers at BG but I don't know what the assistant pay difference is.

(11-11-2015 02:21 PM)burden Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:36 PM)Reno79 Wrote:  Our dismal performance in Football year after year is remarkable. It is a continual series of unfullfilled promises and dashed hopes. I don't think you could compile a historical losing record this poor if you tried. History shows that we continually hired the wrong coaches at the right time. Times when we had the right candidates close to the program and we made the wrong pick. It seems that at some point our luck would turn and we would occasionally have a good season. Like maybe something more often than once every forty years. We produce some great individual players but rarely a team . I have a hard time believing that this D1 program is so resource starved that it can't field a team that is competitive at least once in a while. I don't see the players quitting despite the score but damn what is going on! Really every year, the same old story, over and over again.

Ask any Browns fan or Cubs fan. For some reason this stuff happens.

Hey, I'd kill to have the Cubs' roster right now.

(11-11-2015 05:04 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  "I know people were not lining up for this job last year, and I think that is why we got what we did."

And herein lies the problem and why I called for FCS a few weeks ago but was ridiculed and said would never happen. IF we aren't going to pay and have the right resources for FBS its not a sustainable model. Everything about this program (from the AD, stadium, budget, quality of coaches, pay rates, fan base, qb play, etc, etc, etc.) looks like a D2 or FBS program. Wake up folks a Toledo, BG or NIU program aint happening here without drastic change. So what are we trying to accomplish? Pretend we are FBS so we can stay in the MAC???

IMO, that's EXACTLY what's happening here. Our strategy seems to be keep status quo.

(11-11-2015 11:26 AM)dlFLASH Wrote:  Food for thought:

When Doug Martin wasn't renewed the Deputy Athletic Director at the time, Kleinlein, was the guy who strongly recommended the hire of Hazell due to Kleinlein's playing experience and professional experience at several BCS conference schools. I have been told he knew what to look for in a coach at this level (leadership, poise, discipline, local connections, etc.) and picked it out immediately during the entire interview process. As I understand it, Kleinlein was scheduled to be on the search committee after Hazell left for Purdue however Kleinlein left for his new job, Georgia Southern, nearly two months earlier then initially planned. The void left our Athletic Director to lead the search for the next head coach literally on his own. I'm under the impression, our A.D. kept the search committee extremely small and may have reached out to campus staff not in the athletic department who all agreed upon Haynes, the A.D. included.

Interestingly, Kleinlein needed to replace his football coach one year into his time at Georgia Southern, a team making the jump from FCS to FBS. His new coach has gone 15-5 so far and was 8-0 in the Sun Belt Conference last year, their first season as an FBS member.

Only thing I'd add is there was a huge push from KSU football alumni to hire Coach Haynes. Huge.

BUT our AD played football and baseball at Minnesota St. He's also the highest paid AD in The MAC.

By the time Wednesday's game rolls around, we will not have been in the red zone in 31 days.

(11-11-2015 06:34 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 02:21 PM)burden Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:36 PM)Reno79 Wrote:  Our dismal performance in Football year after year is remarkable. It is a continual series of unfullfilled promises and dashed hopes. I don't think you could compile a historical losing record this poor if you tried. History shows that we continually hired the wrong coaches at the right time. Times when we had the right candidates close to the program and we made the wrong pick. It seems that at some point our luck would turn and we would occasionally have a good season. Like maybe something more often than once every forty years. We produce some great individual players but rarely a team . I have a hard time believing that this D1 program is so resource starved that it can't field a team that is competitive at least once in a while. I don't see the players quitting despite the score but damn what is going on! Really every year, the same old story, over and over again.

Ask any Browns fan or Cubs fan. For some reason this stuff happens.

Hey, I'd kill to have the Cubs' roster right now.

Your right on that one. They did have to wait 70 or so years though. That means about 2042 for Kent football.

KSU defense has been playing very well and returns a lot next season and that is Haynes side of the ball, so his schemes/philosophy/recruiting are working on defense. KSU offense hasn't been playing well @ all and returns a lot next season. This recruiting class will be smaller in #s than in years past, so Haynes/staff will have to hit homeruns with quite a few and have some serious development from the returning players for next year to be a success.

Good news, Toledo & BG lose a ton of seniors and their QBs.

This isn't the year to change head coaches, with the # of openings already out there. Haynes put too much faith in Brian Rock the 1st 2 yrs he was here and that hurt him from an offensive production standpoint. Don Treadwell is an excellent assistant and he has proven that in track record in the Big Ten and other places.

The following have hurt the offense the last few years:
-QB Nathan Strock's shoulder injury and he is no longer on campus because of it. He was more ready (before the injury) to step in and play or at least challenge Colin Reardon this season, Bollas wasn't and his inexperience especially in the timing passing game is showing through big time this season.
-Nick Holly & Myles Washington injuries this season.
-Jason Bitsko's death right before last season, took away the starting the center & heart/soul of the offensive linemen for last season, this season, & next season
-James Brooks transferring out, was a starter last year @ WR
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's @ WR & QB the last 3-4 yrs
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's OL the last 3-4 yrs

I think Haynes deserves his 4th & 5th years to show what his teams can do, being a KSU alum player & asst coach. The weight room has been expanded/renovated and so has the football locker room, which can only help in recruiting. Not a huge fan of JC recruits, but I have to think Haynes/staff need to hit the JC schools for an impact QB, OL, & WR in this years recruiting class.

(11-12-2015 03:59 PM)GoFlashes7 Wrote:  KSU defense has been playing very well and returns a lot next season and that is Haynes side of the ball, so his schemes/philosophy/recruiting are working on defense. KSU offense hasn't been playing well @ all and returns a lot next season. This recruiting class will be smaller in #s than in years past, so Haynes/staff will have to hit homeruns with quite a few and have some serious development from the returning players for next year to be a success.

Good news, Toledo & BG lose a ton of seniors and their QBs.

This isn't the year to change head coaches, with the # of openings already out there. Haynes put too much faith in Brian Rock the 1st 2 yrs he was here and that hurt him from an offensive production standpoint. Don Treadwell is an excellent assistant and he has proven that in track record in the Big Ten and other places.

The following have hurt the offense the last few years:
-QB Nathan Strock's shoulder injury and he is no longer on campus because of it. He was more ready (before the injury) to step in and play or at least challenge Colin Reardon this season, Bollas wasn't and his inexperience especially in the timing passing game is showing through big time this season.
-Nick Holly & Myles Washington injuries this season.
-Jason Bitsko's death right before last season, took away the starting the center & heart/soul of the offensive linemen for last season, this season, & next season
-James Brooks transferring out, was a starter last year @ WR
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's @ WR & QB the last 3-4 yrs
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's OL the last 3-4 yrs

I think Haynes deserves his 4th & 5th years to show what his teams can do, being a KSU alum player & asst coach. The weight room has been expanded/renovated and so has the football locker room, which can only help in recruiting. Not a huge fan of JC recruits, but I have to think Haynes/staff need to hit the JC schools for an impact QB, OL, & WR in this years recruiting class.

Strock is back on campus and he is right on course with shoulder He will be back next season ready

(11-12-2015 04:43 PM)flash fan Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 03:59 PM)GoFlashes7 Wrote:  KSU defense has been playing very well and returns a lot next season and that is Haynes side of the ball, so his schemes/philosophy/recruiting are working on defense. KSU offense hasn't been playing well @ all and returns a lot next season. This recruiting class will be smaller in #s than in years past, so Haynes/staff will have to hit homeruns with quite a few and have some serious development from the returning players for next year to be a success.

Good news, Toledo & BG lose a ton of seniors and their QBs.

This isn't the year to change head coaches, with the # of openings already out there. Haynes put too much faith in Brian Rock the 1st 2 yrs he was here and that hurt him from an offensive production standpoint. Don Treadwell is an excellent assistant and he has proven that in track record in the Big Ten and other places.

The following have hurt the offense the last few years:
-QB Nathan Strock's shoulder injury and he is no longer on campus because of it. He was more ready (before the injury) to step in and play or at least challenge Colin Reardon this season, Bollas wasn't and his inexperience especially in the timing passing game is showing through big time this season.
-Nick Holly & Myles Washington injuries this season.
-Jason Bitsko's death right before last season, took away the starting the center & heart/soul of the offensive linemen for last season, this season, & next season
-James Brooks transferring out, was a starter last year @ WR
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's @ WR & QB the last 3-4 yrs
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's OL the last 3-4 yrs

I think Haynes deserves his 4th & 5th years to show what his teams can do, being a KSU alum player & asst coach. The weight room has been expanded/renovated and so has the football locker room, which can only help in recruiting. Not a huge fan of JC recruits, but I have to think Haynes/staff need to hit the JC schools for an impact QB, OL, & WR in this years recruiting class.

Strock is back on campus and he is right on course with shoulder He will be back next season ready

Flashfan, that is great news, but that didn't help them this year and that was my point above :). Hopefully it will help them next year. I am wondering if he comes back as a redshirt sophomore with a medical hardship waiver or as a redshirt junior

My mind flashes back to the end of the 2005 season - a 1-10 effort that was still much worse to experience than this year.

Toward the end of the season, then-head coach Doug Martin held a meeting between his coaches and they came up with one hard fact: we need a quarterback. So they divided the country up into sections and each coach took off after the season to canvas and scour each nook and cranny for someone who could throw the ball.

Eventually the search led them to Redwood City, Calif. and a young man no one in DI or DI-AA wanted due to his size - a young man named Julian Edelman. I think we all know the rest is history.

I don't know if Paul Haynes and his staff have plans on duplicating such an effort or not, but I think they need to seriously consider it.

(11-12-2015 03:59 PM)GoFlashes7 Wrote:  KSU defense has been playing very well and returns a lot next season and that is Haynes side of the ball, so his schemes/philosophy/recruiting are working on defense. KSU offense hasn't been playing well @ all and returns a lot next season. This recruiting class will be smaller in #s than in years past, so Haynes/staff will have to hit homeruns with quite a few and have some serious development from the returning players for next year to be a success.

Good news, Toledo & BG lose a ton of seniors and their QBs.

This isn't the year to change head coaches, with the # of openings already out there. Haynes put too much faith in Brian Rock the 1st 2 yrs he was here and that hurt him from an offensive production standpoint. Don Treadwell is an excellent assistant and he has proven that in track record in the Big Ten and other places.

The following have hurt the offense the last few years:
-QB Nathan Strock's shoulder injury and he is no longer on campus because of it. He was more ready (before the injury) to step in and play or at least challenge Colin Reardon this season, Bollas wasn't and his inexperience especially in the timing passing game is showing through big time this season.
-Nick Holly & Myles Washington injuries this season.
-Jason Bitsko's death right before last season, took away the starting the center & heart/soul of the offensive linemen for last season, this season, & next season
-James Brooks transferring out, was a starter last year @ WR
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's @ WR & QB the last 3-4 yrs
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's OL the last 3-4 yrs

I think Haynes deserves his 4th & 5th years to show what his teams can do, being a KSU alum player & asst coach. The weight room has been expanded/renovated and so has the football locker room, which can only help in recruiting. Not a huge fan of JC recruits, but I have to think Haynes/staff need to hit the JC schools for an impact QB, OL, & WR in this years recruiting class.

I agree that we need to give PH at least one more year (not so sure about OC) - I do want Haynes to succeed and stay. I hope you're right and we are better next year. My earlier point was that Toledo graduated their entire offensive line last year and still put a better product on the field this year than us. Another thing to think about - both Ely and Johnson as I understand it can apply for an additional year of eligibility if they so desire

Doesn't every team have injuries? A death can be devasting but year 2 and it still hurts the line? We win 2-3 games a yr. Those kids aren't going to be all-mac all of a sudden.

From what I've seen, I believe we need massive changes in 3 areas to turn the offense around next year.

1. Quarterback play needs to improve.

I'm not sure the solution is on the current roster. Strock coming back might help but I wasn't sold on him last year. My favorite quarterback on the current roster is Mylik Mitchell, the true freshman from Cleveland... because I haven't seen him play yet. Maybe it'll turn out we have something in him. Maybe Bollas shows some improvement before the season ends. I really think we need to be scouring the JUCO ranks for someone else though. None of the current options are what I would consider true dual-threat QB's so bringing in one would be a good idea. At this point I have to believe it's going to be a wide open job entering camp next year.

2. Our blocking is bad.

Way too often our backs are being hit or forced sideways within one or two steps. When the QB play is bad you need to be able to run. Additionally, it doesn't seem like our receivers block well at all on passes into the flats. Four of our five starters will be back on the line at least. So maybe we can see some natural progression there? I would still be scouring the JUCO ranks for a lineman or two.

3. Play calling is terrible.

I'm still shocked that we don't run Durham a ton to hopefully wear down defenses for the second half. Especially with Holley out. Obviously Durham won't be around next year but we need to do a better job utilizing what we have. Screen passes where Dixon is the primary blocker will not work, he's too small. Throwing jump balls to a short receiver won't work. I could go on and on. It seems to me that we've got some weapons. We need to get them the ball on short passes and take a shots down field more regularly to if nothing else stretch the defense.

The poor blocking and poor QB play have made it hard to evaluate the the backs and receivers. I feel like we've got some talent there but it's really tough to tell.

(11-12-2015 04:43 PM)flash fan Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 03:59 PM)GoFlashes7 Wrote:  KSU defense has been playing very well and returns a lot next season and that is Haynes side of the ball, so his schemes/philosophy/recruiting are working on defense. KSU offense hasn't been playing well @ all and returns a lot next season. This recruiting class will be smaller in #s than in years past, so Haynes/staff will have to hit homeruns with quite a few and have some serious development from the returning players for next year to be a success.

Good news, Toledo & BG lose a ton of seniors and their QBs.

This isn't the year to change head coaches, with the # of openings already out there. Haynes put too much faith in Brian Rock the 1st 2 yrs he was here and that hurt him from an offensive production standpoint. Don Treadwell is an excellent assistant and he has proven that in track record in the Big Ten and other places.

The following have hurt the offense the last few years:
-QB Nathan Strock's shoulder injury and he is no longer on campus because of it. He was more ready (before the injury) to step in and play or at least challenge Colin Reardon this season, Bollas wasn't and his inexperience especially in the timing passing game is showing through big time this season.
-Nick Holly & Myles Washington injuries this season.
-Jason Bitsko's death right before last season, took away the starting the center & heart/soul of the offensive linemen for last season, this season, & next season
-James Brooks transferring out, was a starter last year @ WR
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's @ WR & QB the last 3-4 yrs
-Misses by the Hazell & Haynes staff's OL the last 3-4 yrs

I think Haynes deserves his 4th & 5th years to show what his teams can do, being a KSU alum player & asst coach. The weight room has been expanded/renovated and so has the football locker room, which can only help in recruiting. Not a huge fan of JC recruits, but I have to think Haynes/staff need to hit the JC schools for an impact QB, OL, & WR in this years recruiting class.

Strock is back on campus and he is right on course with shoulder He will be back next season ready

From what I was told he left last season and didn't tell anyone and never came back. I was told this by a couple of players