(10-09-2015 02:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 02:14 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 01:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 12:22 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 12:14 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  The closing of the thread comment wasn't aimed at you YG, your comments have been constructive, not trollish in nature.

Did you understand the part about the responsibilities of the university re the law as written? Where I think our athletic department has crossed the line or violated the intent of the law is when our athletes wear caps with UL only. It's seen that many times on the baseball players.

Dunno. Sometimes I think there's a push from within the university to challenge the law or force the issue.

Our baseball team has been on TV plenty lately with a huge UL on the helmet and louisana on their chest... Where is the FBI?

somewhere on the uniform there will be the word Cajuns. Maybe in really small letters on a patch like below. It's a way for ULL to get around the law or state rule...or at least push it to the limits. I personally think it makes better sense doing this than fighting a war. This way if Louisiana catches on it's because of branding and if some other school complains it makes them look petty. But as it stands UL-L fans that try to ramrod people into only using Louisiana is petty on UL-L.

Sooner or later it will either stand on it's own and be picked up as the "name" by the media and fans...or it wont. But constantly fighting about it will only hurt the cause.

No it doesn't you jack leg, 4 sport season ticket holder. There is not such rule. You are extremely confused with having @ lafayette..you are dead wrong. Basketball baseball, softball rock louisana without lafayette or ragin Cajuns... Football only had Cajuns on that small piece. You are making sht up.

Why are you so angry? I'm not making anything up I went to the ULL site then looked at what ULL wants to call UL-L sports programs by and no where does it say to use Louisiana by itself. What it says is to use Louisiana with any form of Ragin Cajuns. Or if you want to shorten it use Ragin Cajuns. That's what your school ULL said.

Now I'm sure a 4 sport season ticket holder knows more. Hell I'm a season ticket holder to EVERY sport at Western...ALL OF THEM (some I get free with my HAF donation) but I don't pretend to know everything that's going on at Western....

You're right I don't know for a fact that there's not a Ragin Cajuns somewhere on the uniform....but I do know if it's on the basketball and football the two most visible sports...

it's most likely (since it's a state law/rule) on the other sports also..somewhere.

But that's still no reason for you to get all angry Right or wrong this is my last post on this no need to wear out my welcome and I will leave it up to you to call your school what you want...most of us fans will probably call you what we have for years.

Good luck vs TXST because if UL-L doesn't start to win some games it wont matter what branding you use

This site? http://www.louisiana.edu

Or this one http://www.ull.com

Somebody call the police, Buffalo trying to pass themselves off as New York.


Seems like a good move for them.

In an odd sort way, you could liken it to UT. Their real (official) name is The University of Texas - Austin. However, no one (or rarely anyone) calls them that. They are Branded as Texas/Texas Longhorns. The Cajuns, to me, are attempting to do something similar. They aren't the Flagship of LA, but neither is UT-Austin the Flagship of Texas*...they just like to proclaim they are. They are just the Flagship of the UT system. (and I'm not saying that's the Cajuns goal, either. Branding is)

There are too many systems and each (except TSUS cause SHSU would have a massive herd of cows) has their own Flagship. You can't declare a state Flagship when there are so many University systems.

(10-09-2015 03:42 PM)CatMom Wrote:  In an odd sort way, you could liken it to UT. Their real (official) name is The University of Texas - Austin. However, no one (or rarely anyone) calls them that. They are Branded as Texas/Texas Longhorns. The Cajuns, to me, are attempting to do something similar. They aren't the Flagship of LA, but neither is UT-Austin the Flagship of Texas*...they just like to proclaim they are. They are just the Flagship of the UT system. (and I'm not saying that's the Cajuns goal, either. Branding is)

There are too many systems and each (except TSUS cause SHSU would have a massive herd of cows) has their own Flagship. You can't declare a state Flagship when there are so many University systems.

texas and a-m are the two land grant universities of texas. when they were founded and funded, a-m was not even interested in the PUF which at the time merely consisted of last empty land in west texas. they relented and took a small participation and then later oil was discovered and the PUF raked in billions..sounds like an aggie joke no ?

Really the unfair advantage the UT and A&M systems enjoy is the Texas Permanent University Fund.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_University_Fund

If I were rich enough to buy a bunch of politicians adding the Texas State system to this would be my goal lol.

(10-09-2015 04:55 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Really the unfair advantage the UT and A&M systems enjoy is the Texas Permanent University Fund.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_University_Fund

If I were rich enough to buy a bunch of politicians adding the Texas State system to this would be my goal lol.

That would require a Constitutional Amendment wouldn't it?

What I like to compare our whole name debacle is to that of marriage between a man and a woman. I assume 9 out of 10 women (no facts, just assuming) change their last name to reflect that of their husband. What if the "state" made a law AFTER you get married and stated that the wife MUST change her name back to her maiden name.

I believe most people would have a problem with it. Yea, I know there are some characters out there that say it wouldn't matter to them either way, but to MOST people it would.

This is essentially what happened to my university. The University of Southwestern Louisiana (USL) legally changed its name to The University of Louisiana (UL) in 1984. My boss even has a diploma from "The University of Louisiana" hanging in his office.

However, in May of 1984, the Board Regents, with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board, took the issue to district court, asserting that only the Louisiana Legislature could rename state universities. They won as District Judge William H. Brown agreed with the plaintiffs and stripped the University of Louisiana of its new name. Although Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. He ruled against the name change despite clear constitutional language confirming both the name change and the way it was handled, despite an opinion from the State Attorney General, and despite the legal precedent of other state schools who had changed their names through the same course of action.

This is why so many Cajuns have a problem with our name.

(10-09-2015 06:05 PM)Cajunjudo Wrote:  What I like to compare our whole name debacle is to that of marriage between a man and a woman. I assume 9 out of 10 women (no facts, just assuming) change their last name to reflect that of their husband. What if the "state" made a law AFTER you get married and stated that the wife MUST change her name back to her maiden name.

I believe most people would have a problem with it. Yea, I know there are some characters out there that say it wouldn't matter to them either way, but to MOST people it would.

This is essentially what happened to my university. The University of Southwestern Louisiana (USL) legally changed its name to The University of Louisiana (UL) in 1984. My boss even has a diploma from "The University of Louisiana" hanging in his office.

However, in May of 1984, the Board Regents, with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board, took the issue to district court, asserting that only the Louisiana Legislature could rename state universities. They won as District Judge William H. Brown agreed with the plaintiffs and stripped the University of Louisiana of its new name. Although Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. He ruled against the name change despite clear constitutional language confirming both the name change and the way it was handled, despite an opinion from the State Attorney General, and despite the legal precedent of other state schools who had changed their names through the same course of action.

This is why so many Cajuns have a problem with our name.

Passed by 17-1 vote

(10-08-2015 07:10 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

Quote:So ULL is incorrect now?

That is correct. The preferred nomenclature, per their own media guide, is UL-L.

I'll call them ULL all the live-long day. And night. And year. And lifetime.

Just remember you can't spell skull drug without UL-L. I guess getting whooped OOC is starting to catch up with the Lafeyette faithful.

Your branding of Louisiana is idiotic when you team name is so good. Use Ragin Cajuns and ULL and everybody would know who you are. You may also want to bring back the flaming pepper. Give up on Louisiana as other schools will not honor your request and everyone in Louisiana outside LAffy make fun of you.

(10-08-2015 05:45 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Louisiana, Ragin Cajuns, Cajuns, ULL are all acceptable on this site.

ULaLa, ULLOL, etc constitute trolling in my opinion and I'll take a dim view of such usage.

Just for the record, our athletic department has branded the team as the Louisiana Ragin Cajuns. We are.

Carry on.

Just a couple of highlights for this debate.

2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=X2RLaIqCnR4

2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRLZAqPYH0

(10-09-2015 07:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 06:25 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 12:22 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 08:59 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 08:52 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  It's best for us all if we are in a conference with "Louisiana". Same as "Little Rock" is better than UALR.

That said, Cajun fans make it hard sometimes to want to do what they want even if its good for all.

If I tell someone in georgia we are playing Louisiana there next question will be "who? Do you mean LSU?" I disagree it is better for all. People know UL Layfette.

Wrong. They will know it's not LSU because LSU only uses LSU. You can disagree all you want, but people don't know any UL Layfette because there is no such team.

Notice the question mark after the word LSU. That's my point, people will ask me if I mean LSU b/c as you said Louisiana is not to be confused with LSU. However, you are mistaken if you think people outside of the Cajuns region will recognize the name. Someone above said it will take time, that is true and I will attempt to educate people going forward. I apologize if anyone on here thinks I'm discussing this in order to be combative, that is not my intent.

Then correct them or inform them, wether they know who Louisiana is or not does not change the fact that perception wise it helps everyone to be in a conference with Louisana and ULM instead of Lou-laf and Lou-Mon. If you are honest with yourself you will see that.

Why not Louisiana and ULL? "If you are honest with yourself you will see that," as ULM certainly has the same "right" as ULL to claim the name.

Why is laturd worried about our name?

(10-09-2015 10:25 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 07:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 06:25 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 12:22 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 08:59 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  If I tell someone in georgia we are playing Louisiana there next question will be "who? Do you mean LSU?" I disagree it is better for all. People know UL Layfette.

Wrong. They will know it's not LSU because LSU only uses LSU. You can disagree all you want, but people don't know any UL Layfette because there is no such team.

Notice the question mark after the word LSU. That's my point, people will ask me if I mean LSU b/c as you said Louisiana is not to be confused with LSU. However, you are mistaken if you think people outside of the Cajuns region will recognize the name. Someone above said it will take time, that is true and I will attempt to educate people going forward. I apologize if anyone on here thinks I'm discussing this in order to be combative, that is not my intent.

Then correct them or inform them, wether they know who Louisiana is or not does not change the fact that perception wise it helps everyone to be in a conference with Louisana and ULM instead of Lou-laf and Lou-Mon. If you are honest with yourself you will see that.

Why not Louisiana and ULL? "If you are honest with yourself you will see that," as ULM certainly has the same "right" as ULL to claim the name.

And they certainly did that, and we certainly didn't say anything, they certainly gave up the effort. They had jerseys and helmets that's said Louisiana Indians on them... Where was everyone then? Where were the name police?

(10-09-2015 10:33 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 10:25 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 07:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 06:25 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 12:22 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  Wrong. They will know it's not LSU because LSU only uses LSU. You can disagree all you want, but people don't know any UL Layfette because there is no such team.

Notice the question mark after the word LSU. That's my point, people will ask me if I mean LSU b/c as you said Louisiana is not to be confused with LSU. However, you are mistaken if you think people outside of the Cajuns region will recognize the name. Someone above said it will take time, that is true and I will attempt to educate people going forward. I apologize if anyone on here thinks I'm discussing this in order to be combative, that is not my intent.

Then correct them or inform them, wether they know who Louisiana is or not does not change the fact that perception wise it helps everyone to be in a conference with Louisana and ULM instead of Lou-laf and Lou-Mon. If you are honest with yourself you will see that.

Why not Louisiana and ULL? "If you are honest with yourself you will see that," as ULM certainly has the same "right" as ULL to claim the name.

And they certainly did that, and we certainly didn't say anything, they certainly gave up the effort. They had jerseys and helmets that's said Louisiana Indians on them... Where was everyone then? Where were the name police?

They had prototypes, but never wore them in games that I am aware of. You folks clearly had UL on your baseball caps and have UL splashed all over campus.

(10-09-2015 10:32 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  Why is laturd worried about our name?

Why didn't the Cajuns worry about playing football last Saturday night? Your team certainly seemed unconcerned or interested in playing football.

(10-09-2015 11:09 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 10:33 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 10:25 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 07:35 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 06:25 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  Notice the question mark after the word LSU. That's my point, people will ask me if I mean LSU b/c as you said Louisiana is not to be confused with LSU. However, you are mistaken if you think people outside of the Cajuns region will recognize the name. Someone above said it will take time, that is true and I will attempt to educate people going forward. I apologize if anyone on here thinks I'm discussing this in order to be combative, that is not my intent.

Then correct them or inform them, wether they know who Louisiana is or not does not change the fact that perception wise it helps everyone to be in a conference with Louisana and ULM instead of Lou-laf and Lou-Mon. If you are honest with yourself you will see that.

Why not Louisiana and ULL? "If you are honest with yourself you will see that," as ULM certainly has the same "right" as ULL to claim the name.

And they certainly did that, and we certainly didn't say anything, they certainly gave up the effort. They had jerseys and helmets that's said Louisiana Indians on them... Where was everyone then? Where were the name police?

They had prototypes, but never wore them in games that I am aware of. You folks clearly had UL on your baseball caps and have UL splashed all over campus.

You are right, we aren't in a conference with them... I didn't watch them play in person or anything.

The LaTech football team outplayed us.
Why are you little sisters so worried about OUR name?

And besides, I think the ULM brand is attractive and unique. I wonder if thats why laturd turned down a bowl to run from ULM?

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news.../120943007

As long as Tech is in the UL System I have a problem with any school calling themselves UL, The University of Louisiana, Louisiana, or any other name that would indicate flagship status in our system.

(10-10-2015 01:48 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  As long as Tech is in the UL System I have a problem with any school calling themselves UL, The University of Louisiana, Louisiana, or any other name that would indicate flagship status in our system.

I've always been surprised that the other schools in the UL system haven't taking @ Laff to task.Maybe with the Louisiana Ragin Cajuns brand the Feds will step in and mandate you drop "Ragin Cagin"and you back into "Louisiana" as a compromise.......