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RE: Rutgers
(09-07-2015 04:17 PM)jskwrite Wrote: (09-07-2015 04:04 PM)penguino Wrote: (09-07-2015 03:39 PM)jskwrite Wrote: (09-07-2015 03:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (09-04-2015 04:24 PM)jskwrite Wrote: I like the Maryland add. Maryland has tremendous upside. I think that should have been enough to keep Penn State happy. After all, I never saw Penn State rushing to get games with Rutgers before (compared to, say, Syracuse or Pitt). I just think they'd have been better adding a Kansas or Oklahoma and I think they had a legit chance at either. As is they ended up picking a middle of the pack Big East school.
I understand the "TV Contract" aspect of Rutgers. I think they'd add more households if they got Syracuse, maybe UConn. I think the "recruit NJ" thing is overrated. NJ is a tiny geographic state. A lot of these big recruits are just suburban Philly or NYC kids... they just happen to live on the other side of a river 20 miles away. Nothing more than a geographic marker to identify them as "NJ kids". The distance from Philly to Cherry hill NJ is a lot shorter than a Tampa kid vs. a Miami kid. Yet we lump Florida recruits all together.
Rutgers has done nothing to help their cause since they've joined the Big 10. Granted, Syracuse, UConn, Kansas and Pitt have all been football disasters have all been horrible in football the past couple years, Rutgers has been a 6 win team but hasn't beaten a ranked team in 5 years. When was the last quality Rutgers football win? And even with their current issue, Syracuse basketball will be better than Rutgers for the foreseeable future, Pitt is definitely better and Kansas and UConn are national title contenders in basketball. TV ratings is about content... easier to get content in a 30 game college basketball season than a 12 game (you have access to only 9-10 though) football season.
RU was a TV add in as much as PSU gets great ratings and having RU keeps PSU from getting blocked out of playing relevant NE teams on a consistent basis. Virtually every one of PSU's historic and/or natural rivals is in the ACC - Pitt, SU, ND (ish), VT, UMD (ish - at the time), and Miami (ish). Miami aside, except for RU, those are the schools with a very significant presence near PSU's donors. And aside from UMD, RU is the only school out of that group that's willing to join the B1G over their current conference. Had the B1G not added UMD and RU, there is a very real possibility that PSU would have jumped to the ACC with the ND add.
Keep in mind that PSU and Pitt have a scheduling freeze and that PSU and SU have dropped off in scheduling for a number of reasons, the biggest of which being conference schedules. Seeing as the B1G is going to 9 games (I think) and the ACC plays more games than the BIG EAST did (the BE played 7 conference games), the value of an in-conference regional team increased.
As for your NJ argument, I don't disagree that state boundaries are somewhat arbitrary. However, maintaining a strong presence in the area between NYC and Phi is crucial to PSU's long-term success - in both athletics and academics. Call that whatever you want. I call it mostly NJ.
UMD is important for the same reasons as RU, only they also have fans and competitive teams.
For whatever it's worth, I think that the B1G made a mistake by not taking Mizzou, Syracuse, and UMD when the conference added Nebraska. However, the conference will survive and thrive, so life moves on.
Syracuse has more upside than Rutgers. Syracuse is farther from NYC than BC (at least driving.. no good way to get to Syracuse from NYC.. scenic drive though if you do the 17 thing) but Syracuse is more relevant to NYC. Syracuse has had a rough decade in football but once they have the right coach for awhile they will be good again. Syracuse won the Big East when they still have good teams.... more than I can say from the NJ school.
As for Ohio State scheduling Florida A/M.... yeah... they did. They also scheduled decent G5s though.. Cincinnati.. NIU... SDSU.. Kansas is never good at football.. Washington State is only relevant when they have a decent QB. If it was Washington scheduled, that would be different. The only risk Rutgers ever took in G5 scheduling was the home/home with Arkansas when Arkansas ended up being pretty bad and North Carolina when they were going through coaching changes. Ohio State scheduled home and homes with Texas, USC, Oklahoma coming up, Va Tech. Rutgers is a Big 10 school... they could get those home-home games. Even UConn scheduled Tennessee (may not be played) and home-home with Missouri.
I think Maryland is already showing their worth in basketball at least where they are pre-season top 5. I like Edsall and I think he's learned how to coach and recruit at Maryland rather than UConn.
You're smoking crack if you think syracuse has more upside than RU anymore.
And your argument about scheduling, it appears that RU is damned if they do, and damned if they don't
One thing is for sure - RU is living rent free in alot folks heads at this point. As many of you have said in the past - RU ain't worth anything. Except now it is probably one of the most talked about schools on this board - good or bad. Heck, if it weren't I wouldn't be posting, because I only post when you all bring it up.
Mission accomplished Mr Delaney........
Damned if you do, damned if you don't? Ok, post Rutgers big scheduling gets in the past decade out of conference... I'm thinking Arkansas, North Carolina, Maryland, Washington State, Kansas ? I'm going by memory but I can't remember any others. Which of those programs is ever a power? Which one is usually bad.
UConn scheduled Michigan, Notre Dame, Baylor, North Carolina, Maryland... without the power of the Big 10 to help. Syracuse has scheduled USC, LSU, Washington I think?... BC has had USC..
But rather than just making opinion-ed statements, let's look at these facts:
Syracuse won the Big East when the good teams were still in the Big East. Rutgers never won the Big East. Syracuse has already had some "upside". What about Rutgers?
Rutgers had all those years to get up to speed with everyone in the Big East in basketball with the same great recruiting area - I'm betting the best finish Rutgers ever had in the Big East was 4th but most were behind South Florida and ahead of Depaul. No NCAA tournament appearances?
Rutgers never dominated the Big East, even when it sucked at the end other than Louisville, WV and Cincy... how are they going to going to compete in a way better Big 10?
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Being waiting for those answers for a long time. None should contain the word "UConn" because they are an awful G5 football team and one of the best 5 basketball programs over the past decade - neither of those things relate to Rutgers.
Stop living in the past. When was the last time syracuse was good....And in Football, be honest - UCONN was never really that good. Their infamous BCS bowl at 8-4 put the nail in the Big East conferences coffin. Have they ever finished the season ranked?
And show me once where I ever said Rutgers was a powerhouse? I ain't that dumb. Our schedule reflects where we were (and still are) at the time - mediocre. And ain't no powerhouse going to give RU a 1 for 1 back in the day, and we had a stadium to pay for (and we weren't getting B1G money like you were). Heck, we told ND to pack salt when they wanted our game to be at METLIFE (but UCONN didn't, guess they're OK with their home games not being at home - same goes for Syracuse)
But that crack pipe still has you syracuse fans living as if Donavan McNabb was still your QB. You will never see that kind of player at SU again.
And to be honest, OSU's out of conference schedule is really full of powerhouses right? Just the past 5-6 years, Youngstown St, Ohio U, Troy, Toledo, New Mexico, St, Eastern Michigan, Akron, Marshall, Miami (not da U) UAB, and this year, bring on Hawaii, SDST, VTech? NIU? They maybe FBS, but they ain't that good either and I bet other than VTECH, Ohio State won't be visiting the ZIPs stadium for a return visit? Maybe you should schedule a top 5 FCS too like UCONN did.
How can you even say with a straight face that those are "power G5s"? Glass houses ya know.....
Try not to lay an egg tonite like you did last year against VTech .
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2015 05:26 PM by penguino.)
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