(07-28-2015 03:21 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: People here hoping for 4mil per school per year when the B1G is looking at 40mil per school per year. Pathetic.
The schools in this conference can challenge most of the B1G on a daily basis. The B1G has only a handful of truly good teams and only a couple year in and year out, yet many would be happy with 5mil per year per school. What a joke.
Bottom line; If there isn't movement by the time the AAC goes to market, there soon will be.
ESPN does not need to do nothing for another 5 years. The can do or not do anything when and if there is a look in.
No one is going to be happy with 4 or 5 mil, but ESPN has 0 reasons to bump us big time before the end of the TV deal, [esp when they are in big time cutting cost mode] and unless another bidder is hot to trot to get us, there still wont be a huge jump. Reality sucks, but it is what it is.
Not true, they would re-negotiate in order to extend the contract. If they waited inflation, the rising cost of sports media, improvement of the conf members performance and/or the rise of other networks make cost them more in the long run. In you scenario no one would ever renegotiate a profitable contract ever.
You are wrong. If the Big 12 doesn't expand, the AAC is going to market at the end of their current contract unless ESPN agrees to a huge pay raise. Why is this so, because the B1G, CUAS, MWC and MAAC's deals would be done, there are years remaining on the SEC and AAC's contracts. This leaves only the AAC open and on the market at that time. Fox is looking for eastern partners again to help FS1. The AAC is a strong possibility for that. ESPN would have to pay to keep it or lose it out right.
It's all in the timing. CBS and Fox lowballed the AAC last time because of instability. That issue will be removed from the equation.
You could be right, but man this option really scares me... last time we shopped around a bit ESPN got pissed and destroyed the conference. They could very well do that again if they wanted to... It's not really an open market competition situation, as it should be...
Wow. I just listened to Commissioner Aresco. What a homerun he was when the AAC stole him from CBS. He is probably the best tv guy out there. He knows perception means a lot, and when it's time to renegotiate the contract, watch him make it rain! I wouldn't be surprised if the payout goes from $2.3 million a year, to at least $3 or $4 million per school. Easily it should be almost what the Big East makes.
The optimism in AAC headquarters must be off the charts.
(07-28-2015 04:32 PM)BE4evah Wrote: Wow. I just listened to Commissioner Aresco. What a homerun he was when the AAC stole him from CBS. He is probably the best tv guy out there. He knows perception means a lot, and when it's time to renegotiate the contract, watch him make it rain! I wouldn't be surprised if the payout goes from $2.3 million a year, to at least $3 or $4 million per school. Easily it should be almost what the Big East makes.
The optimism in AAC headquarters must be off the charts.
The great douchetronomous has spoken. Gonna be pretty funny to see what the big east gets after the current contract expires with Fox. Congratulations, you raped Fox sports last time next time it's your conference that will pay. Ever heard of the old adage " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Don't expect to fool Fox sports twice. You and a bunch of crickets are the only ones watching anything big east.
(07-28-2015 04:32 PM)BE4evah Wrote: Wow. I just listened to Commissioner Aresco. What a homerun he was when the AAC stole him from CBS. He is probably the best tv guy out there. He knows perception means a lot, and when it's time to renegotiate the contract, watch him make it rain! I wouldn't be surprised if the payout goes from $2.3 million a year, to at least $3 or $4 million per school. Easily it should be almost what the Big East makes.
The optimism in AAC headquarters must be off the charts.
You need to keep your trolling to the realignment board. No one wants to read the crap you spew here. Beat it tool box.
(07-28-2015 12:45 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote: The AAC supports the waiver for the Big12 to have a CG w/ 10 teams and Aresco believes it will pass.
I'm sure he supports that because it'll save the AAC from losing 2 members.
The NCAA vote will pass by a lot, but I don't think it matters. The P5 still has to vote after that, and they could shoot down the part about 10 teams, IIRC.
(07-28-2015 03:26 PM)Bull Wrote: "Put your head down and focus on building the American" Amen bro! Oh, if only we could get everyone on board with this mentality... Usual disclaimer that yeah, I'd take the invite, blah blah blah... But I really believe this is going to be a great conference, obviously even better if no one leaves. I'd like to see just how good the American can get. Our next TV deal will speak volumes. Now if we can get that playoff expanded to 8... we may be okay.
Realistically, I think this TV deal is with us for at least 2-3 more years. This season will mark our 3rd year under our current deal---close to halfway. He's been trying to redo the deal for the last 2 years. My guess is we are largely stuck with this deal in its present form and if there is any early relief---it probably won't come until its final year or two. That leaves us this season, plus probably 2 more under this deal.
This is the beginning of year 2. 1st year of AAC was the old BE deal. Most likely have this season and next before ESPN even considers look in.
We are entering year 3 of a 7 year deal. Year one of the current AAC deal was a bridge year and covered "basketball/Olympic sports only" (you were correct that the first year of AAC football was under the last year of the old Big East deal--but forgot about the basketball bridge year that began in the AAC's first year allowing the separate basketball and football contracts to expire at the same time from now on).
The one thing that does bode well for us in TV negotiations next time is the primetime match-ups Navy will bring in. Obviously all their conference games, but then throw in Army, Air Force, and Notre Dame and you are talking about extremely valuable games on a national level. CBS pays 5 million a year alone for just the Army-Navy game.
(07-28-2015 04:32 PM)BE4evah Wrote: Wow. I just listened to Commissioner Aresco. What a homerun he was when the AAC stole him from CBS. He is probably the best tv guy out there. He knows perception means a lot, and when it's time to renegotiate the contract, watch him make it rain! I wouldn't be surprised if the payout goes from $2.3 million a year, to at least $3 or $4 million per school. Easily it should be almost what the Big East makes.
The optimism in AAC headquarters must be off the charts.
He don't have any leverage until the conference sports teams give him some by beating other conferences that matter. It's a stacked deck, but select others either have done it or are doing it. TCU and Boise are examples.
(07-28-2015 03:21 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: People here hoping for 4mil per school per year when the B1G is looking at 40mil per school per year. Pathetic.
The schools in this conference can challenge most of the B1G on a daily basis. The B1G has only a handful of truly good teams and only a couple year in and year out, yet many would be happy with 5mil per year per school. What a joke.
Bottom line; If there isn't movement by the time the AAC goes to market, there soon will be.
ESPN does not need to do nothing for another 5 years. The can do or not do anything when and if there is a look in.
No one is going to be happy with 4 or 5 mil, but ESPN has 0 reasons to bump us big time before the end of the TV deal, [esp when they are in big time cutting cost mode] and unless another bidder is hot to trot to get us, there still wont be a huge jump. Reality sucks, but it is what it is.
What do you say when you have nothing to say, but wish to make it look like you have something to say? "It is what it is."
(07-28-2015 03:21 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: People here hoping for 4mil per school per year when the B1G is looking at 40mil per school per year. Pathetic.
The schools in this conference can challenge most of the B1G on a daily basis. The B1G has only a handful of truly good teams and only a couple year in and year out, yet many would be happy with 5mil per year per school. What a joke.
Bottom line; If there isn't movement by the time the AAC goes to market, there soon will be.
ESPN does not need to do nothing for another 5 years. The can do or not do anything when and if there is a look in.
No one is going to be happy with 4 or 5 mil, but ESPN has 0 reasons to bump us big time before the end of the TV deal, [esp when they are in big time cutting cost mode] and unless another bidder is hot to trot to get us, there still wont be a huge jump. Reality sucks, but it is what it is.
I never mentioned the look in period. Believe me, I don't believe ESPN has any interest in paying us anything until they absolutely have too.
for the record, I've always viewed ESPN as the worst media partner available. Their business practices are less the honorable in by opinion.
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Navy's CBS deal runs out in 2017 and the Army-Navy CBS deal runs out in 2018. When Aresco has that inventory available the value will be much higher. I wouldn't want him to lock into anything long term until that time, and if I were ESPN I'd probably try to get a big extension prior to that.
(07-28-2015 02:32 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: Man, Aresco keeps fighting the good fight and trying hard. Not really getting anywhere, but he sure is a good ambassador.
I really don't get these comments. He is paid VERY well, what would you expect him to be doing?
He is paid well. So was Marinatto and he's doing far better than he did. Everything fell apart under Marinatto's watch. You have to be a long time BE fan to understand.
Just cause Marinatto was incompetent or did a bad job, doesn't prop up Aresco. If I was making $1.5mm I would do radio spots as well. I just don;t like awarding people for doing their job.
Marinatto was flawed and made some bad moves, but he was no worse than Aresco.
If we're really lucky
1. The Big 12 will implode leaving only Iowa State to which we don't need or want.
2. We sign a contract with FOX as they build us a network as part of it.
3. We get good returns form the network and that causes the ACC to implode.
4. We become the final P4 Conference.
(07-28-2015 03:21 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: People here hoping for 4mil per school per year when the B1G is looking at 40mil per school per year. Pathetic.
The schools in this conference can challenge most of the B1G on a daily basis. The B1G has only a handful of truly good teams and only a couple year in and year out, yet many would be happy with 5mil per year per school. What a joke.
If the Big 12 gets their waver, there would be true stability for the AAAC. Do you honestly think ESPN would want the AAC to be stable when it comes time for contract negotiations? Hell no. The only way they keep the price down on the AAC is by having instability.
Bottom line; If there isn't movement by the time the AAC goes to market, there soon will be.
This makes no sense at all... If the Big 12 adds teams from the AAC, their TV contract has wording says quoted by UO Pres
"The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars."
So by adding 2 teams to the big 12 that would cost ESPN, let's say $15M per team because fox pays on that contract as well.
So $30M per team per year.
If ESPN doubled the AAC contract it would still only cost them around $20M a year.
You need to read before posting. My post had nothing to do with Big 12 expansion other then the fact that if they do not, the AAC becomes stable.
Why would ESPN want to pay more for teams it already owns? If the AAC is stable then they are in line for a HUGE raise and that would cost ESPN far more over the life of the contract then paying for just two schools to increase in value.
Please read my post again.
As others stated, one's value can soar when put in a different/bigger/more valuable conference.
In regards to Big 12 TV rights, one should always remember that the Big 12 TV rights are "shared" between FOX and ESPN...and in any renegotiation...one will try to squeeze more priority out of the other...and while ESPN could probably afford to lose some games in inventory, ESPN will do anything to make sure FOX doesn't gain more priority/larger share of Big 12 TV rights.
In regards to AAC, with Navy joining this year (CBS still owns their for 2-3 more years), ESPN could offer up a new long-term contract well before AAC's deal expires...which would stop AAC going to open market.
Remember, back when Big East initially wanted to go to open market, FOX Sports 1 didn't even exist...and FOX/FOX Sports have been aggressively bidding on new live inventory, from Soccer's World Cup to winning Big Ten Championship Game TV rights and others, no doubt FOX Sports wants to expand their "little" inventory in college football (share Pac-12 and Big 12 regular season rights with ESPN).
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(07-28-2015 09:05 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: If we're really lucky
1. The Big 12 will implode leaving only Iowa State to which we don't need or want.
2. We sign a contract with FOX as they build us a network as part of it.
3. We get good returns form the network and that causes the ACC to implode.
4. We become the final P4 Conference.
When does the B1G go to bid? I imagine we will wait for any type of renegotiation until after ESPN makes a run a that conference. If they get the B1G I dont think the AAC gets much from a look in with ESPN and we wait until the contract expires and go to the open market. If they miss on the B1G and Fox gets them then we may get a solid renegotiation from ESPN.
(07-28-2015 04:05 PM)pesik Wrote: to the people that make no sense in the thread
1) paying someone well does not mean they can turn water to wine
2) dear tulane fan, aresco lobbyied for you and without him you wouldnt be here..of all the fans you have zero room to complain about him as you add nothing financially or perception wise to the league, are sorta dead weight and you are only here because aresco spoke well of you
3) the logic that some of you are using that espn would lobbying for expansion in our negotiation makes no sense.....you realize what espn pays per team is way more than they pay for our entire league....the money theyd save from the instability of our conference will be less than what they end up paying for them in the big 12
That's the silliest comment you have made in some time. Cause he lobbied for our flawed athletic program means I just have to sit back and accept whatever he does. Not to mention, I am a fan and had no say on how our athletic department was run. That POV is so immature and short sighted. My team is a member of this conference, end of story. If I think Aresco is overpaid or did a poor job on the TV negotiations, I have every right to express that opinion. Grow up.
Houston flat out stunk in both sports last year, maybe you should take some time off from giving your opinion on anything AAC related.
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