(07-26-2015 03:58 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote: Andy Katz just tweeted that Nichols skills will soar as he redshirts next year at UVA.
Whether he owns it or not, that's a huge jab at Pastner. Not that I disagree, but I predict Katz back pedals and says it's not a shot at Pastner. Katz just wants people to like him.
How do you think Tony Bennett will react when AN father comes to his office with a folder full of plays that he wants them to run for Austin? Or when he asks for a weekly update on Austin's progress.
He'll handle it fine. Most coaches dont have problems with parents when running a stable program
Actually, Nichols dad mettling would make that program unstable. Mettling parents are probably not the usual at Virginia and here he comes even if the coach is better than the coach here at Memphis
I would be totally shocked if Nichols doesnt have a good career at VA and we never hear anything about his dad or whatever else people want to pretend was the problem here
He was having a great career at Memphis. So why wouldn't he have one UVA? His game will not improve just because he changes uniforms or coaching staffs. It will change when Austin decides it needs to change.
(This post was last modified: 07-27-2015 08:01 AM by midtowncowboy.)
(07-27-2015 07:55 AM)Smith Wrote: "Irony is that Tarik and Austin have been our two best pro prospects the last few years, and both decided to transfer away from pastner"
I'm going to try and help a little bit. Coach Pastner encourages all of his players to go to summer school. This permits players to graduate after their Junior year. Based on the three year rule, the player is free to transfer at that time to any school without penalty. Coach Pastner is not stupid. He realizes by having the players go to summer school that they will be eligible to transfer. Coach Pastner is in essence helping his ball players to transfer after three years. Tarik's transferring is nothing like Austin. Austin left his team short handed. Tarik's didn't. Both are marginal NBA quality players that should have never been recruited to Memphis. Tarik should have gone to Marquette and Austin to Tennessee or wherever. Then after two years they want to come back, you take them. Like was done with Elliot Williams. Then you get a ball player with some experience who's parent's don't think he is world a beater.
Wasn't Williams granted the transfer because his mother was sick and he needed to be closer to her? It really does not have to do with "wanting" to come back. There has to be a valid reason.
(07-27-2015 07:55 AM)Smith Wrote: "Irony is that Tarik and Austin have been our two best pro prospects the last few years, and both decided to transfer away from pastner"
I'm going to try and help a little bit. Coach Pastner encourages all of his players to go to summer school. This permits players to graduate after their Junior year. Based on the three year rule, the player is free to transfer at that time to any school without penalty. Coach Pastner is not stupid. He realizes by having the players go to summer school that they will be eligible to transfer. Coach Pastner is in essence helping his ball players to transfer after three years. Tarik's transferring is nothing like Austin. Austin left his team short handed. Tarik's didn't. Both are marginal NBA quality players that should have never been recruited to Memphis. Tarik should have gone to Marquette and Austin to Tennessee or wherever. Then after two years they want to come back, you take them. Like was done with Elliot Williams. Then you get a ball player with some experience who's parent's don't think he is world a beater.
Wasn't Williams granted the transfer because his mother was sick and he needed to be closer to her? It really does not have to do with "wanting" to come back. There has to be a valid reason.
(07-26-2015 09:00 PM)Tie 1 On Wrote: Austin isn't necussarily nba material. But he is one of the most skilled big men to come through the program in a long time. He'll succeed at Virginia. And he'll make a lot of money playing basketball as a pro somewhere, if that's what he chooses to do.
Irony is that Tarik and Austin have been our two best pro prospects the last few years, and both decided to transfer away from pastner.
Our program is headed to a bad place.
Tarik would have played BEHIND Austin Nichols...same reason Nick King got gone....because BOTH incoming Lawsons played HIS position. You don't think they would have ate some of 'his' minutes?
Nah. Tarik as a SR >>>>>> Austin as a FR. Austin may be better eventually, but Tarik when they would've overlapped.
Agreed...Tarik as a sophomore was equal to Austin as a sophmore.
(07-26-2015 03:49 PM)80sTiger Wrote: Geoff Calkins @geoff_calkins · 2h2 hours ago Iowa, USA
Funny to see Nichols wish Memphis coaches the best after his lawyer blasted them as dysfunctional.
Geoff Calkins @geoff_calkins · 2h2 hours ago Iowa, USA
"I want to wish that failing program and that dysfunctional staff nothing but the best!"
... I'm ready for see CJP gone in the worst way, but I agree here with Geoff. A little late to try and play the class card. Of course, they may have felt they had to play "hard ball" with the lawyer to get what they really wanted (Virginia), but nonetheless.
He wishes us the best haha. Yeah right the way this guy left shows he and his family true colors. I can't believe a guy from memphis could throw us under the bus like that. We all know this is a dysfunctional program under Pastner but to voice all this stuff publicly is trashy. Just leave with some respect. I didn't hear Nick King bash the program on his way out atleast not publicly but u know he could say lots of damaging things as well. Maybe Austin is a big reason why chemistry has been so bad over the past few years he obviously hated being here. It could be addition by subtraction. Either way we will survive one way or another, he only has one or two years if eligibility left so who cares. It's surprising how all this has played out. I think it prob seals the deal for Pastner being gone next year barring a great run this season. It's time for everyone to move on. He has had seven years and it's not working time to go in a different direction.
Maybe if the coach hadn't tried to restrict his transfer out of spite it wouldn't have come to that. It's like people don't understand that there are consequences to their actions until they're done. It's pastners fault, he tried to play tough and they played right back
We have fans trying to be funny, when a school tampers with a player starting in March, and they call it spite. Not even bothered in the least by it.
(07-26-2015 05:49 PM)tigerlands Wrote: How do you think Tony Bennett will react when AN father comes to his office with a folder full of plays that he wants them to run for Austin? Or when he asks for a weekly update on Austin's progress.
He'll handle it fine. Most coaches dont have problems with parents when running a stable program
Actually, Nichols dad mettling would make that program unstable. Mettling parents are probably not the usual at Virginia and here he comes even if the coach is better than the coach here at Memphis
I would be totally shocked if Nichols doesnt have a good career at VA and we never hear anything about his dad or whatever else people want to pretend was the problem here
He was having a great career at Memphis. So why wouldn't he have one UVA? His game will not improve just because he changes uniforms or coaching staffs. It will change when Austin decides it needs to change.
So you are saying his game will only greatly improve if he decides to work hard? At the same time, you said he was already having a great career at Memphis. You think he was already having a great career and can vastly improve on that if he works hard?
Here's the truth: He did pretty well at Memphis. We can debate whether that was because of his raw ability or because the coaching staff developed him.
If "his skills soar" at UVA, it will be because he's in a better system with better players and a better staff. You don't play big minutes on a high major D1 team for two years, transfer, and then greatly improve unless the staff at your previous school was inferior to the new school or because the system at the previous school was a bad fit for you.
Also, how many functional coaching staffs at big time D1 schools lose their best player due to a transfer?
(07-26-2015 05:49 PM)tigerlands Wrote: How do you think Tony Bennett will react when AN father comes to his office with a folder full of plays that he wants them to run for Austin? Or when he asks for a weekly update on Austin's progress.
He'll handle it fine. Most coaches dont have problems with parents when running a stable program
Actually, Nichols dad mettling would make that program unstable. Mettling parents are probably not the usual at Virginia and here he comes even if the coach is better than the coach here at Memphis
I would be totally shocked if Nichols doesnt have a good career at VA and we never hear anything about his dad or whatever else people want to pretend was the problem here
(07-26-2015 05:57 PM)Timmy989 Wrote: He'll handle it fine. Most coaches dont have problems with parents when running a stable program
Actually, Nichols dad mettling would make that program unstable. Mettling parents are probably not the usual at Virginia and here he comes even if the coach is better than the coach here at Memphis
I would be totally shocked if Nichols doesnt have a good career at VA and we never hear anything about his dad or whatever else people want to pretend was the problem here
This^^^^
No player wants to sit out a year unless they feel they HAVE to. It should be obvious by now there’s something behind the scenes going on with the current program.
More players have left than in any era I can think of and there’s only one common entity still in place.
(07-26-2015 08:51 PM)shere khan Wrote: Yall are so upset over an I thought I would share this. If this doesn't make you feel better about the world then there is no hope for you
I let her use my watch for the video
I would have learned Norwegian by the time I tired of looking at this girl.
(07-26-2015 05:57 PM)Timmy989 Wrote: He'll handle it fine. Most coaches dont have problems with parents when running a stable program
Actually, Nichols dad mettling would make that program unstable. Mettling parents are probably not the usual at Virginia and here he comes even if the coach is better than the coach here at Memphis
I would be totally shocked if Nichols doesnt have a good career at VA and we never hear anything about his dad or whatever else people want to pretend was the problem here
This^^^^
No player wants to sit out a year unless they feel they HAVE to. It should be obvious by now there’s something behind the scenes going on with the current program.
More players have left than in any era I can think of and there’s only one common entity still in place.
EXACTLY, I have never seen so many players leave here under one coach, or under any circumstance for that matter.
Are you kidding me? You can blame Pastner for a lot but he restricted him like every coach would. Not letting him go was a mistake but the restrictions were normal.
My understanding (i.e. Parrish and Calkins were talking about this when the attorney first released his statement) is that the restriction on teams we might possibly play in a tournament wasn't a usual restriction and was primarily done because we wanted a pretext to have Virginia on the restricted list because we believed they were tampering.
Not that it makes that much difference.
(This post was last modified: 07-27-2015 12:12 PM by Briskbas.)
(07-26-2015 05:35 PM)Mimi Wrote: Bit funny to see a let it go comment...in a thread started by a retread who could not just let it go...and a thread rife with comments still bashing Pastner at every possibly opportunity...
In other words, nearly every post in this thread is from Pastner bashers who cannot let that go, yet in a thread titled about daddy boy, a comment about the tawdriness of daddy boy is given the let it go.
Rich.
One obvious flaw in that argument.
Nichols is gone, hence the "let it go" comments.
Pastner is not gone. So there is no need to let it go until he is.
A university professor should be smart enough to understand the difference.
(07-27-2015 07:55 AM)Smith Wrote: "Irony is that Tarik and Austin have been our two best pro prospects the last few years, and both decided to transfer away from pastner"
I'm going to try and help a little bit. Coach Pastner encourages all of his players to go to summer school. This permits players to graduate after their Junior year. Based on the three year rule, the player is free to transfer at that time to any school without penalty. Coach Pastner is not stupid. He realizes by having the players go to summer school that they will be eligible to transfer. Coach Pastner is in essence helping his ball players to transfer after three years. Tarik's transferring is nothing like Austin. Austin left his team short handed. Tarik's didn't. Both are marginal NBA quality players that should have never been recruited to Memphis. Tarik should have gone to Marquette and Austin to Tennessee or wherever. Then after two years they want to come back, you take them. Like was done with Elliot Williams. Then you get a ball player with some experience who's parent's don't think he is world a beater.
Finally!!! A poster with some intelligence that makes sense. We should only recruit top notch NBA prospects, which Pastner is finally doing by bringing in Broddie and the transfer from LA Tech etc. We are basically an NBA summer league team, but with a college uni and playing during the regular season.
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Yes Virginia, there is an Austin Nichols
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