Is the BIG12 really in trouble??? Do they have to expand to 12 members and add a CCG?

TOTAL CFP/Bowl Payouts By CONF
SEC 109.1M
ACC 96.2M
BIG10 79.5M
PAC12 75.3M
BIG12 71.3M

Per Team Payout
SEC 7.7M
BIG12 7.1M
ACC 6.8M
PAC12 6.2M
BIG10 5.6M

LINK
http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free-c...-playoffs/

No..

(06-17-2015 01:59 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Is the BIG12 really in trouble??? Do they have to expand to 12 members and add a CCG?

TOTAL CFP/Bowl Payouts By CONF
SEC 109.1M
ACC 96.2M
BIG10 79.5M
PAC12 75.3M
BIG12 71.3M

Per Team Payout
SEC 7.7M
BIG12 7.1M - The important figure here.
ACC 6.8M
PAC12 6.2M
BIG10 5.6M

LINK
http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free-c...-playoffs/

No, not as long as the money is good and nobody sees a better opportunity elsewhere.

If their payout this year is divided by two more mouths, they would only get $5,988,542.00 per team...SO I think they stay at 10 and hope the NCAA allows a ten team Conf to have a CCG..

I think ESPN has told the B12-2 that it is not going to add money to their TV contract even if they add two teams as ESPN is currently paying them based on the contract signed when the B12 was actually the B12. Just guessing!!!!!!

The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

They're in big trouble....at this point, they can't even count how many teams they have in the conference (hint: not 12!)

Baylor is beating everyone up...it's embarassing

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

(06-17-2015 02:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

yep- but that's why I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell that the Big 12 will get the 10 team CCG thing passed at all. And if that costs Big 12 playoff spots, they aren't going to have a choice but to expand.

(06-17-2015 02:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

FSU and Clemson to the Big XII any day now

(06-17-2015 02:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

yep- but that's why I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell that the Big 12 will get the 10 team CCG thing passed at all. And if that costs Big 12 playoff spots, they aren't going to have a choice but to expand.

I don't know about that. CCG are a double edged sword. If the ball had bounced the right way the Big12 could have had two teams in this years playoff instead of none. You can bet there will be years where teams get upset in their CCG and that will be the to the Big12's advantage.

(06-17-2015 02:21 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  If their payout this year is divided by two more mouths, they would only get $5,988,542.00 per team...SO I think they stay at 10 and hope the NCAA allows a ten team Conf to have a CCG..

I think ESPN has told the B12-2 that it is not going to add money to their TV contract even if they add two teams as ESPN is currently paying them based on the contract signed when the B12 was actually the B12. Just guessing!!!!!!

It helps to analyze things if you don't get your facts confused. The Big 12 contracts were based on the 10 team Big 12. And they weren't finalized until after A&M and Missouri left.

(06-17-2015 02:59 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

yep- but that's why I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell that the Big 12 will get the 10 team CCG thing passed at all. And if that costs Big 12 playoff spots, they aren't going to have a choice but to expand.

I don't know about that. CCG are a double edged sword. If the ball had bounced the right way the Big12 could have had two teams in this years playoff instead of none. You can bet there will be years where teams get upset in their CCG and that will be the to the Big12's advantage.

I REALLY hope the CFP Committee has to face the scenario you just described. It will be interesting what they decide and how they explain it.

Yes, when Texhoma leaves.

(06-17-2015 02:51 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

FSU and Clemson to the Big XII any day now

That seems more likely than any other possibility that's been discussed. The ACC being at the bottom of the totem pole financially doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the conference leadership, or much in the way of stability, especially for the schools carrying the rest in the biggest moneymaking sport of them all.

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

Not sure how you can see into the future and see who/what/will makes the CFP and New Year Six Bowls...You list numbers like it is a done deal

I can only imagine what you would have said the last year of the BCS when the ACC made 30M from BCS Title game and OB...and a ACC fan said that they may get over 70M in the new CFP era, you probably would have had some crazy numbers not even close to 96M........... But one thing we can agree upon is that the Sugar Bowl pays more than the Orange bowl - by $12.5 million.

What's that per school? It comes to $833,333 - less than one million. And of course, that's 2 out of 3 years, so the real difference is only 2/3 of that, or $555,555 - just over half a million. This is not game-changing money. That's why a conference network is the only significant "conference-controlled" revenue difference.(Outside of DONOR/CONTRIBUTIONS)

Also as a SEC fan you do realize that your Donor/Contributions usually crush your TV/Bowl Money... So yes the SEC is KING, the ACC does not even come close to the Donor/Contributions.... So why don't you just list that and be done with it....you may find that you are more accurate with that information than trying to predict future payouts in the CFP era!

(06-17-2015 01:59 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Is the BIG12 really in trouble??? Do they have to expand to 12 members and add a CCG?

TOTAL CFP/Bowl Payouts By CONF
SEC 109.1M
ACC 96.2M
BIG10 79.5M
PAC12 75.3M
BIG12 71.3M

Per Team Payout
SEC 7.7M
BIG12 7.1M
ACC 6.8M
PAC12 6.2M
BIG10 5.6M

LINK
http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free-c...-playoffs/

(06-17-2015 03:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:51 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with this analysis is next year-
ACC goes down from 96,237,500 down to 68,737,500. Per team- 4.9 million.

meanwhile
SEC- goes up from 109,187,500 up to 121,687,500. Per team- 8.69 million
B10- goes up from 79,537,500 up to 119,537,500. Per team- 8.54 million
P12 goes up from 75,337,500 up to 115,337,500. Per team 9.61 million
B12- goes up from 71,862,500 up to 111,862,500. Per team 11.19 million

Gotta love the ACC fans pushing this crap like it's going to be like this every year....

Let's put it this way. Let's take last year, this year, and next year(even giving ACC the Orange slot going to ND).
ACC 274,712,500/14=19.62 mil per school.
SEC 352,562,500/14=25.18 mil per school.
B10 318,612,500/14=22.76 mil per school.
P12 306,012,500/12=25,50 mil per school.
B12 295,587,500/10=29.56 mil per school

If your figures are accurate and I assume they are, the Big12 teams must be laughing all the way to the Bank.

Your figures that show the Big12 teams next year making 11.19 million per team opposed to the SEC teams making 8.79 million and the ACC making only 4.9 million is an eye opener.

FSU and Clemson to the Big XII any day now

That seems more likely than any other possibility that's been discussed. The ACC being at the bottom of the totem pole financially doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the conference leadership, or much in the way of stability, especially for the schools carrying the rest in the biggest moneymaking sport of them all.

IF and only if all the folks who have stated their reason that an ACCN does not launch and those reasons become reality, then yes... Clemson & FSU to BIG12 make sense after the GoR and current TV Deal.... BIG12 then gets their new TV Network...

The ACC would then officially add Cincy & UCF...(maybe UCONN) or be picked apart by the BIG10....the left overs go to the AAC.....

Or the ACCN comes out in 2017 and ACC schools are happy and the BIG12 doesn't do anything(except add a CCG if the NCAA allows it) until after the 12 year CFP deal.... Then by that time they may add two teams and a CCCG and a TV network deal...

If the NCAA keeps the 12 team requirement for the conference championship game

AND

The B12 gets shafted (in the eyes of B12 fans and front office) in the playoff rankings in 2 the next 3 seasons

THEN

Yes they will want to add 2 more to get to 12 by 2020 even though it means giving up around 5mil per year per team (using the 29.56mil per team figure) minus the additional revenue from selling the conference championship game which would cut the 5mil loss to at least 4mil.


HOWEVER

If the NCAA says the B12 can have a conference championship game at 10 then the B12 will have zero need to add anyone.