(04-17-2015 07:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:18 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:16 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The ACC would add any team if it met these criteria:
1) Eastern (or maybe Central) Time Zone ECU, CINCI, UCF, UCONN, MEMPHIS, (rest AAC)
2) Home football attendance at least 50K, preferably 60K or more ECU
3) basketball good enough to make NCAA tournament CINCI, UCONN, MEM, TEMPLE,
4) academics good enough to not embarrass anyone UCONN, TULANE, RICE

Sooooooo... nobody

Syracuse only met 3 out of the 4. Football Attendance is not there. I think the ACC next pick up will either be Cincinnati or West Virginia (depending on Big 12). Cincinnati bridges the gap between Pitt and Notre Dame. However West Virginia brings West Virginia back and helps the ACC since Maryland left.

Baylor and UConn meet at least 3 out of 4. If UConn was in the ACC then I believe they could muster up at least 50K a game. They might need a stadium expansion for it but they seem to have the following and the desire for it. You put them in that conference and they will have the attendance no problem. Baylor, in terms of whether or not they have academics that are lacking, that might be your questionable area but other than that they meet the rest of the criteria and have one of the most well rounded Athletic Departments in the country.

Texas obviously meets all of the criteria.

The Texas, Baylor and UConn trifecta is a winner for the ACC. That is especially the case when the LHN is turned over into a much larger ACC Network that still has some of the aspects of the LHN for each school.

If Texas and Baylor came to the ACC, the 18th would not be UConn, it would be West Va, or a traditional ND partner such as Navy, or perhaps a school in a fresh footprint that is now playing down in the G-5.

With 15 schools it takes 12 votes to get into the ACC. UConn brings so little in football that they will never get FSU's, Clemson's, NC State's, GT's, or VT's vote. BC considers UConn and existential threat and they will not get that vote. That means UConn has to turn 3 of those 6.

The math for WVa is easier. MD was the school that always hated WVa and led a consistent blackball against them. UVa and Duke also concurred. With MD gone, the three most solidly against WVa are UVA, Duke and GT. WVa has to have VT's and Pitt's support explicit support. WF and Notre Dame also have to be okay with them.

Baylor could never get 12 votes without Texas and I'm not sure that Texas would get 15 votes. They would get at least 12, but there are a couple of schools that would be very wary of Texas and their money.

(04-17-2015 08:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:18 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:16 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The ACC would add any team if it met these criteria:
1) Eastern (or maybe Central) Time Zone ECU, CINCI, UCF, UCONN, MEMPHIS, (rest AAC)
2) Home football attendance at least 50K, preferably 60K or more ECU
3) basketball good enough to make NCAA tournament CINCI, UCONN, MEM, TEMPLE,
4) academics good enough to not embarrass anyone UCONN, TULANE, RICE

Sooooooo... nobody

Syracuse only met 3 out of the 4. Football Attendance is not there. I think the ACC next pick up will either be Cincinnati or West Virginia (depending on Big 12). Cincinnati bridges the gap between Pitt and Notre Dame. However West Virginia brings West Virginia back and helps the ACC since Maryland left.

Baylor and UConn meet at least 3 out of 4. If UConn was in the ACC then I believe they could muster up at least 50K a game. They might need a stadium expansion for it but they seem to have the following and the desire for it. You put them in that conference and they will have the attendance no problem. Baylor, in terms of whether or not they have academics that are lacking, that might be your questionable area but other than that they meet the rest of the criteria and have one of the most well rounded Athletic Departments in the country.

Texas obviously meets all of the criteria.

The Texas, Baylor and UConn trifecta is a winner for the ACC. That is especially the case when the LHN is turned over into a much larger ACC Network that still has some of the aspects of the LHN for each school.

If Texas and Baylor came to the ACC, the 18th would not be UConn, it would be West Va, or a traditional ND partner such as Navy, or perhaps a school in a fresh footprint that is now playing down in the G-5.

With 15 schools it takes 12 votes to get into the ACC. UConn brings so little in football that they will never get FSU's, Clemson's, NC State's, GT's, or VT's vote. BC considers UConn and existential threat and they will not get that vote. That means UConn has to turn 3 of those 6.

The math for WVa is easier. MD was the school that always hated WVa and led a consistent blackball against them. UVa and Duke also concurred. With MD gone, the three most solidly against WVa are UVA, Duke and GT. WVa has to have VT's and Pitt's support explicit support. WF and Notre Dame also have to be okay with them.

Baylor could never get 12 votes without Texas and I'm not sure that Texas would get 15 votes. They would get at least 12, but there are a couple of schools that would be very wary of Texas and their money.

It will be UConn because the math shows that one more G5 school is going to make it. There isn't a better brand at the G5 level than UConn. There are some that are close but UConn's basketball is extremely valuable to the Networks, ESPN in particular. Why ESPN? Come on now, they are heavily intertwined with the Connecticut State government. Why would the ACC do it? The future ACC Network. How is that connected? Texas => ACC => LHN => ACCN. ESPN is the deciding factor on that. If the ACC ever gets a Network, it will be with ESPN's approval.

UConn will not be invited to join the ACC.

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Almost none of the underlined is true.

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Baylor is the largest Baptist school in the country, Wake Forest is the 2nd largest Baptist school in the USA....a rivalry in the making

(04-17-2015 09:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Baylor is the largest Baptist school in the country, Wake Forest is the 2nd largest Baptist school in the USA....a rivalry in the making

Fair enough. All 12 Wake fans would get riled up. Still, WVU >>>>>> Baylor in terms of rivalries (and consistency)

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

(04-17-2015 08:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:18 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Sooooooo... nobody

Syracuse only met 3 out of the 4. Football Attendance is not there. I think the ACC next pick up will either be Cincinnati or West Virginia (depending on Big 12). Cincinnati bridges the gap between Pitt and Notre Dame. However West Virginia brings West Virginia back and helps the ACC since Maryland left.

Baylor and UConn meet at least 3 out of 4. If UConn was in the ACC then I believe they could muster up at least 50K a game. They might need a stadium expansion for it but they seem to have the following and the desire for it. You put them in that conference and they will have the attendance no problem. Baylor, in terms of whether or not they have academics that are lacking, that might be your questionable area but other than that they meet the rest of the criteria and have one of the most well rounded Athletic Departments in the country.

Texas obviously meets all of the criteria.

The Texas, Baylor and UConn trifecta is a winner for the ACC. That is especially the case when the LHN is turned over into a much larger ACC Network that still has some of the aspects of the LHN for each school.

If Texas and Baylor came to the ACC, the 18th would not be UConn, it would be West Va, or a traditional ND partner such as Navy, or perhaps a school in a fresh footprint that is now playing down in the G-5.

With 15 schools it takes 12 votes to get into the ACC. UConn brings so little in football that they will never get FSU's, Clemson's, NC State's, GT's, or VT's vote. BC considers UConn and existential threat and they will not get that vote. That means UConn has to turn 3 of those 6.

The math for WVa is easier. MD was the school that always hated WVa and led a consistent blackball against them. UVa and Duke also concurred. With MD gone, the three most solidly against WVa are UVA, Duke and GT. WVa has to have VT's and Pitt's support explicit support. WF and Notre Dame also have to be okay with them.

Baylor could never get 12 votes without Texas and I'm not sure that Texas would get 15 votes. They would get at least 12, but there are a couple of schools that would be very wary of Texas and their money.

It will be UConn because the math shows that one more G5 school is going to make it. There isn't a better brand at the G5 level than UConn. There are some that are close but UConn's basketball is extremely valuable to the Networks, ESPN in particular. Why ESPN? Come on now, they are heavily intertwined with the Connecticut State government. Why would the ACC do it? The future ACC Network. How is that connected? Texas => ACC => LHN => ACCN. ESPN is the deciding factor on that. If the ACC ever gets a Network, it will be with ESPN's approval.

All the schools are prostitutes, however the price for some is a great deal higher than you realize. The money needed to get UConn into the ACC would be ENOURMOUS. I realize that folks are fixated on football, but the are ACC schools whose women's programs absolutely loath UConn and UConn's past recruiting tactics.

UNC and NC State have not forgotten their employees being sued in their personal capacity by Blumenthal.

(04-17-2015 10:40 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Syracuse only met 3 out of the 4. Football Attendance is not there. I think the ACC next pick up will either be Cincinnati or West Virginia (depending on Big 12). Cincinnati bridges the gap between Pitt and Notre Dame. However West Virginia brings West Virginia back and helps the ACC since Maryland left.

Baylor and UConn meet at least 3 out of 4. If UConn was in the ACC then I believe they could muster up at least 50K a game. They might need a stadium expansion for it but they seem to have the following and the desire for it. You put them in that conference and they will have the attendance no problem. Baylor, in terms of whether or not they have academics that are lacking, that might be your questionable area but other than that they meet the rest of the criteria and have one of the most well rounded Athletic Departments in the country.

Texas obviously meets all of the criteria.

The Texas, Baylor and UConn trifecta is a winner for the ACC. That is especially the case when the LHN is turned over into a much larger ACC Network that still has some of the aspects of the LHN for each school.

If Texas and Baylor came to the ACC, the 18th would not be UConn, it would be West Va, or a traditional ND partner such as Navy, or perhaps a school in a fresh footprint that is now playing down in the G-5.

With 15 schools it takes 12 votes to get into the ACC. UConn brings so little in football that they will never get FSU's, Clemson's, NC State's, GT's, or VT's vote. BC considers UConn and existential threat and they will not get that vote. That means UConn has to turn 3 of those 6.

The math for WVa is easier. MD was the school that always hated WVa and led a consistent blackball against them. UVa and Duke also concurred. With MD gone, the three most solidly against WVa are UVA, Duke and GT. WVa has to have VT's and Pitt's support explicit support. WF and Notre Dame also have to be okay with them.

Baylor could never get 12 votes without Texas and I'm not sure that Texas would get 15 votes. They would get at least 12, but there are a couple of schools that would be very wary of Texas and their money.

It will be UConn because the math shows that one more G5 school is going to make it. There isn't a better brand at the G5 level than UConn. There are some that are close but UConn's basketball is extremely valuable to the Networks, ESPN in particular. Why ESPN? Come on now, they are heavily intertwined with the Connecticut State government. Why would the ACC do it? The future ACC Network. How is that connected? Texas => ACC => LHN => ACCN. ESPN is the deciding factor on that. If the ACC ever gets a Network, it will be with ESPN's approval.

All the schools are prostitutes, however the price for some is a great deal higher than you realize. The money needed to get UConn into the ACC would be ENOURMOUS. I realize that folks are fixated on football, but the are ACC schools whose women's programs absolutely loath UConn and UConn's past recruiting tactics.

UNC and NC State have not forgotten their employees being sued in their personal capacity by Blumenthal.

Well this hasn't been a short process at all. It's called a long term negotiation. The price isn't as big as you are trying to portray with your capitalized word of exaggeration. The ACC wants a conference network due to promises made to member schools. It's THAT valuable.

(04-17-2015 10:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The only ACC rivals are the NC schools and UVA/VT. Pitt rival WVU not in ACC, Louisville rival UK not in ACC, Florida State has Miami but their true rival is Florida. FSU, GT, and Clemson fan bases all think the ACC is a Yankee conference, and think their rivals are SEC schools. Notre Dame and BC have a little bit of something. Syracuse not really sure who there football rival is. My point being Cinci I think would please the football schools more than a UCONN. The ACC really needs to find away to keep the southern schools happy. They want to play in a conference similar to the SEC in football and not be seen as a laughing stock in SOS like FSU was seen the past few years. If they could get WVU, Cinci, and UCF that could really be a power football and basketball conference.

Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Baylor damn near made the very first College Football Playoff. They are better for the ACC in that regard than WVU, Cinci and UCF all combined.

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

(04-18-2015 07:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

WVU would be a rivalry game for half the ACC. Baylor wouldn't be a rivalry game for anyone. And, Baylor isn't exactly the model of consistency in football. Once they cool down (which they eventually will), they will be an island of dead weight. I'll pass.

Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

Well, you thinking that it is right isn't necessary but thank you anyways. I guess you think the ACC wants WVU. I don't think anything about that is right at all but hey...you go ahead and tell yourself otherwise.

Pitt doesn't care about renewing the WVU rivalry. VT doesn't really care to build one. Hell neither does Syracuse. Who exactly in the ACC wants WVU? How would any of that be more valuable than getting strong into Texas? Seriously, defend your position because to me it seems laughable.

(04-18-2015 02:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 07:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

Well, you thinking that it is right isn't necessary but thank you anyways. I guess you think the ACC wants WVU. I don't think anything about that is right at all but hey...you go ahead and tell yourself otherwise.

Pitt doesn't care about renewing the WVU rivalry. VT doesn't really care to build one. Hell neither does Syracuse. Who exactly in the ACC wants WVU? How would any of that be more valuable than getting strong into Texas? Seriously, defend your position because to me it seems laughable.

(04-18-2015 02:41 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 02:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 07:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

Well, you thinking that it is right isn't necessary but thank you anyways. I guess you think the ACC wants WVU. I don't think anything about that is right at all but hey...you go ahead and tell yourself otherwise.

Pitt doesn't care about renewing the WVU rivalry. VT doesn't really care to build one. Hell neither does Syracuse. Who exactly in the ACC wants WVU? How would any of that be more valuable than getting strong into Texas? Seriously, defend your position because to me it seems laughable.

I think this is incorrect. These teams played for 50 years. I find it hard to believe that these fan bases would not get up for the WVU game.

(04-18-2015 02:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 02:41 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 02:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 07:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

Well, you thinking that it is right isn't necessary but thank you anyways. I guess you think the ACC wants WVU. I don't think anything about that is right at all but hey...you go ahead and tell yourself otherwise.

Pitt doesn't care about renewing the WVU rivalry. VT doesn't really care to build one. Hell neither does Syracuse. Who exactly in the ACC wants WVU? How would any of that be more valuable than getting strong into Texas? Seriously, defend your position because to me it seems laughable.

I think this is incorrect. These teams played for 50 years. I find it hard to believe that these fan bases would not get up for the WVU game.

Most Pitt fans around here seem at most to be slightly sentimental about the game but overall they never seem to really say much positive about this rivalry of the past. I certainly don't see how that rivalry equates to big money, improved recruiting, expanded markets or any other positives. It might be an interesting rebirth for some of the traditionalists for both schools but for the conference as a whole, it isn't much of a gain.

(04-18-2015 02:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 07:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Yes, Baylor's new stadium just screams that they are about to fall apart. Yes, the fact that their head coach has turned down jobs that most would think he would snatch up, yes that screams that they are about to fall apart.

All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

Well, you thinking that it is right isn't necessary but thank you anyways. I guess you think the ACC wants WVU. I don't think anything about that is right at all but hey...you go ahead and tell yourself otherwise.

Pitt doesn't care about renewing the WVU rivalry. VT doesn't really care to build one. Hell neither does Syracuse. Who exactly in the ACC wants WVU? How would any of that be more valuable than getting strong into Texas? Seriously, defend your position because to me it seems laughable.

You're making assumptions and presenting them as facts. My guess is that the ACC wants PSU and ND as a full member, but the conference is pretty happy as is.

You are also ignoring how lucrative WVU would be/has been for a number ACC schools. For example, the Backyard Brawl (as well as other WVU-based rivalry games) was incredibly lucrative for both schools (WVU and Pitt in this case) and attendance/interest was strong. Denying that is a little much.

Expanding into a distant state to pick up a flavor of the week team is not a good idea.

(04-18-2015 04:28 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 02:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 07:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 12:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  All teams have ups and downs. Syracuse was a contender 15 years ago. Wake was an OB caliber team 7 years ago. Duke was a joke 7 years ago. Alabama was mediocre ~15 years ago. Texas went 6-7 last year. ND hasn't won a title in how many years? And they wandered in the desert of inconsistency for a long time until ~2012. UW went 0-12 in '08 (won a NC in the 90's). Colorado is a joke right now (won a NC in the 90's). Things change fast.

Keep in mind that Baylor went from '91 to ~2011 without winning a bowl. If Texas can have

Yes, it's possible. It's possible with anyone though. Baylor is spending the money, it is in a great State that The ACC likely wants in just as much or more so than their desire to insert WVU into the ACC in return for a few outdated rivalries.

It's a new dawn. The future will not be defined by such old traditions. That isn't just becoming obvious now as everyone is opening their eyes. That has been obvious for quite some time.

I don't think that any part of your post is right, other than I'm sure the ACC wants the University of Texas, so technically it wants a presence in Texas.

Well, you thinking that it is right isn't necessary but thank you anyways. I guess you think the ACC wants WVU. I don't think anything about that is right at all but hey...you go ahead and tell yourself otherwise.

Pitt doesn't care about renewing the WVU rivalry. VT doesn't really care to build one. Hell neither does Syracuse. Who exactly in the ACC wants WVU? How would any of that be more valuable than getting strong into Texas? Seriously, defend your position because to me it seems laughable.

You're making assumptions and presenting them as facts. My guess is that the ACC wants PSU and ND as a full member, but the conference is pretty happy as is.

You are also ignoring how lucrative WVU would be/has been for a number ACC schools. For example, the Backyard Brawl (as well as other WVU-based rivalry games) was incredibly lucrative for both schools (WVU and Pitt in this case) and attendance/interest was strong. Denying that is a little much.

Expanding into a distant state to pick up a flavor of the week team is not a good idea.

If I am doing that then I am doing that to a smaller degree than you are. The backyard brawl is lucrative for The ACC? Keep saying that the backyard brawl matters to the ACC as a whole and you might as well just stop right now. Your talking points are so damn old school and are so damn out of date that it's not even entertaining having to set this straight.

I bet Syracuse would love to even be a flavor of the week in terms of football. Your judgement on Baylor's worth is amusing.

(04-18-2015 04:28 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ... the conference is pretty happy as is.

Indeed.

Quote:You are also ignoring how lucrative WVU would be/has been for a number ACC schools. For example, the Backyard Brawl (as well as other WVU-based rivalry games) was incredibly lucrative for both schools (WVU and Pitt in this case) and attendance/interest was strong. Denying that is a little much.

It's a rivalry game for Pitt. I could see a few thousand transplanted and road-tripping Mountaineers showing up at Louisville, VT, UVA and the NC schools. But that's not really enough to base a $20M/year decision on.

Quote:Expanding into a distant state to pick up a flavor of the week team is not a good idea.

Expanding into Texas is an attractive proposition for any conference, but taking one of the bottom quarter of the P5 to do it is very iffy.

The only Texas school that has a chance at the ACC is Texas.

Anyone for a what-if thread on Texas and Notre Dame signing indy/ACC deals in September 2011?