(01-14-2015 12:47 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

Many programs don't get "name" coaches.

tOSU hired Thad Matta from Xavier (and Butler before that).
Michigan State hired career assistant Tom Izzo.
John Beilien came from WVU (and West Virginia Wesleyan before that).
Billy Donovan was from Marshall.
Illinois hired Bill Self from Tulsa (and ORU before that).
Bo Ryan did the majority of his head coaching pre-Wisky at DIII UW-Platteville.

Don't forget the Memphis football team bringing in co-offensive coordinator Justin Fuente.

Tic Price might be available.

(01-14-2015 12:51 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

Many programs don't get "name" coaches.

tOSU hired Thad Matta from Xavier (and Butler before that).
Michigan State hired career assistant Tom Izzo.
John Beilien came from WVU (and West Virginia Wesleyan before that).
Billy Donovan was from Marshall.
Illinois hired Bill Self from Tulsa (and ORU before that).
Bo Ryan did the majority of his head coaching pre-Wisky at DIII UW-Platteville.

We will not sign a name coach like Smart, Marshall, Miller, etc.

For your own good, stop drinking the Blue Koolaid.

Why not? Simply because you say so?

(01-14-2015 12:53 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:51 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

Many programs don't get "name" coaches.

tOSU hired Thad Matta from Xavier (and Butler before that).
Michigan State hired career assistant Tom Izzo.
John Beilien came from WVU (and West Virginia Wesleyan before that).
Billy Donovan was from Marshall.
Illinois hired Bill Self from Tulsa (and ORU before that).
Bo Ryan did the majority of his head coaching pre-Wisky at DIII UW-Platteville.

We will not sign a name coach like Smart, Marshall, Miller, etc.

For your own good, stop drinking the Blue Koolaid.

Why not? Simply because you say so?

Yep - too many folks falling for his act lately.

(01-14-2015 12:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:39 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:28 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

How did he cheat?

Link?

STFU

He cheated, but did not get caught.

If you do not like what I post, then place me on ignore. Not everyone likes unpleasant truths.

He asked you for a link, amigo.

When was the last time you stopped beating your wife? Link?

(01-14-2015 12:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:39 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:28 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

How did he cheat?

Link?

STFU

He cheated, but did not get caught.

If you do not like what I post, then place me on ignore. Not everyone likes unpleasant truths.

He asked you for a link, amigo.

When was the last time you stopped beating your wife? Link?

It seems curious to me that some fans trash the program to defend Pastner. That is, "the Memphis program sucks (i.e. undesirable). So be happy with what you've got." That's really odd and sad to me. No one should be that attached to any coach as the program is bigger than that. And these arguments might have more to do with talk board hostilities than anything else.

I think Pastner deserves the chance to right the ship. How long that chance should last is better left to people more qualified and more invested than me. But he deserves the chance. The proof is in the pudding. Either he'll do it or not. If so, a change should and will be made (I assume). Pastner is a good man and has done well. Has he underachieved? Perhaps.

Memphis doesn't necessarily need a "big name" hire. Would it be great to pull some high profile coach from a blue blood school? Sure, but why is that necessary? And I question the motives of people who equate "big name" to "good coach." Sounds like people are still hurting from KY yanking Calipari from us.

Pastner will either get the job done or he won't. Fans should check themselves, if their best argument for retaining a coach, is that our program isn't good and won't ever be. As a fan, you should demand excellence and success. The very moment you stop striving for that goal is the very moment your program truly is headed for the crapper. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

If a change is necessary, we need a good hire. Memphis has the tools and resources in place to satisfy the desires of its fans. Do we need to get lucky? Sure. Look at Indiana and ask whether their current coach is fulfilling expectations. Getting a "big name" is no guarantee.

I trust our current AD more than I do RC. He did a great job with Fuente. I trust he'll make the right decisions with the basketball program too.

(01-14-2015 01:03 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  It seems curious to me that some fans trash the program to defend Pastner.

/thread

(01-14-2015 01:03 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  It seems curious to me that some fans trash the program to defend Pastner. That is, "the Memphis program sucks (i.e. undesirable). So be happy with what you've got." That's really odd and sad to me. No one should be that attached to any coach as the program is bigger than that. And these arguments might have more to do with talk board hostilities than anything else.

I think Pastner deserves the chance to right the ship. How long that chance should last is better left to people more qualified and more invested than me. But he deserves the chance. The proof is in the pudding. Either he'll do it or not. If so, a change should and will be made (I assume). Pastner is a good man and has done well. Has he underachieved? Perhaps.

Memphis doesn't necessarily need a "big name" hire. Would it be great to pull some high profile coach from a blue blood school? Sure, but why is that necessary? And I question the motives of people who equate "big name" to "good coach." Sounds like people are still hurting from KY yanking Calipari from us.

Pastner will either get the job done or he won't. Fans should check themselves, if their best argument for retaining a coach, is that our program isn't good and won't ever be. As a fan, you should demand excellence and success. The very moment you stop striving for that goal is the very moment your program truly is headed for the crapper. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

If a change is necessary, we need a good hire. Memphis has the tools and resources in place to satisfy the desires of its fans. Do we need to get lucky? Sure. Look at Indiana and ask whether their current coach is fulfilling expectations. Getting a "big name" is no guarantee.

I trust our current AD more than I do RC. He did a great job with Fuente. I trust he'll make the right decisions with the basketball program too.

Couldn't have stated it better myself.

(01-14-2015 12:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:39 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:28 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

How did he cheat?

Link?

STFU

He cheated, but did not get caught.

If you do not like what I post, then place me on ignore. Not everyone likes unpleasant truths.

He asked you for a link, amigo.

When was the last time you stopped beating your wife? Link?

Classy

(01-14-2015 12:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:47 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The facts are that only one "name" coach took the job in the history of Tiger basketbal and he was a washed up NBA coach looking for an opportunity. And he had to cheat to win.

The tranquil world created by the Sunshine Pumpers does not exist. Wake up! Reality is not altered by wishful thinking. SMH

Many programs don't get "name" coaches.

tOSU hired Thad Matta from Xavier (and Butler before that).
Michigan State hired career assistant Tom Izzo.
John Beilien came from WVU (and West Virginia Wesleyan before that).
Billy Donovan was from Marshall.
Illinois hired Bill Self from Tulsa (and ORU before that).
Bo Ryan did the majority of his head coaching pre-Wisky at DIII UW-Platteville.

Don't forget the Memphis football team bringing in co-offensive coordinator Justin Fuente.

Tic Price might be available.

He's got Lamar hummin with that Kenpom rating in the 280s.

Pastner is a terrible coach and needs replacement now.

(01-14-2015 01:06 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:03 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  It seems curious to me that some fans trash the program to defend Pastner. That is, "the Memphis program sucks (i.e. undesirable). So be happy with what you've got." That's really odd and sad to me. No one should be that attached to any coach as the program is bigger than that. And these arguments might have more to do with talk board hostilities than anything else.

I think Pastner deserves the chance to right the ship. How long that chance should last is better left to people more qualified and more invested than me. But he deserves the chance. The proof is in the pudding. Either he'll do it or not. If so, a change should and will be made (I assume). Pastner is a good man and has done well. Has he underachieved? Perhaps.

Memphis doesn't necessarily need a "big name" hire. Would it be great to pull some high profile coach from a blue blood school? Sure, but why is that necessary? And I question the motives of people who equate "big name" to "good coach." Sounds like people are still hurting from KY yanking Calipari from us.

Pastner will either get the job done or he won't. Fans should check themselves, if their best argument for retaining a coach, is that our program isn't good and won't ever be. As a fan, you should demand excellence and success. The very moment you stop striving for that goal is the very moment your program truly is headed for the crapper. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

If a change is necessary, we need a good hire. Memphis has the tools and resources in place to satisfy the desires of its fans. Do we need to get lucky? Sure. Look at Indiana and ask whether their current coach is fulfilling expectations. Getting a "big name" is no guarantee.

I trust our current AD more than I do RC. He did a great job with Fuente. I trust he'll make the right decisions with the basketball program too.

Couldn't have stated it better myself.

Well said.

Bowen didn't hire Fuente.

(01-14-2015 01:09 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:39 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:28 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  How did he cheat?

Link?

STFU

He cheated, but did not get caught.

If you do not like what I post, then place me on ignore. Not everyone likes unpleasant truths.

He asked you for a link, amigo.

When was the last time you stopped beating your wife? Link?

Classy

LOL

(01-14-2015 01:10 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Pastner is a terrible coach and needs replacement now.

(01-14-2015 01:11 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:10 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Pastner is a terrible coach and needs replacement now.

#irony

(01-14-2015 11:20 AM)alcalde Wrote:  The notion that the country is filled with coaches that are all pussys and are too scared to risk career suicide and take a shot at following Cal at one of the top programs in America seems ridiculous to me

Yes, we lost the best recruiting class of all time, but we had a nucleus of players left that were all top 50 recruits and more talent than over 80% of D1 even without adding a recruit.

coaches are competitors just like the players, only in addition to getting to prove their own abilities, they get paid pretty fing well too. Pastners hire struck me as laziness from an AD that was soon to retire and just didnt give a **it

Right, I bet no one wanted to follow Eddie Sutton at Arkansas. Only that person went to two straight national championship games, winning one.

(01-14-2015 01:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:20 AM)alcalde Wrote:  The notion that the country is filled with coaches that are all pussys and are too scared to risk career suicide and take a shot at following Cal at one of the top programs in America seems ridiculous to me

Yes, we lost the best recruiting class of all time, but we had a nucleus of players left that were all top 50 recruits and more talent than over 80% of D1 even without adding a recruit.

coaches are competitors just like the players, only in addition to getting to prove their own abilities, they get paid pretty fing well too. Pastners hire struck me as laziness from an AD that was soon to retire and just didnt give a **it

Right, I bet no one wanted to follow Eddie Sutton at Arkansas. Only that person went to two straight national championship games, winning one.

Eddie left in what 1985?

(01-14-2015 01:19 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:17 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:20 AM)alcalde Wrote:  The notion that the country is filled with coaches that are all pussys and are too scared to risk career suicide and take a shot at following Cal at one of the top programs in America seems ridiculous to me

Yes, we lost the best recruiting class of all time, but we had a nucleus of players left that were all top 50 recruits and more talent than over 80% of D1 even without adding a recruit.

coaches are competitors just like the players, only in addition to getting to prove their own abilities, they get paid pretty fing well too. Pastners hire struck me as laziness from an AD that was soon to retire and just didnt give a **it

Right, I bet no one wanted to follow Eddie Sutton at Arkansas. Only that person went to two straight national championship games, winning one.

Eddie left in what 1985?

about that, but what difference does that make?

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I don't understand the argument here at all. Following Cal is TOTALLY different than following Pastner. It's apples and oranges and to think it isn't is just ridiculous.