(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 11:03 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 10:51 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  But, hey let's judge his entire career at ECU on one game.

Carden is an accurate passer, and East Carolina never lost a game to a losing team with Carden starting.

But he never sniffed a conference title, and was 6-13 as a starter against teams that finished .500 or better including two bowl losses in three years.

A very good college QB. But not great.

Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

(01-04-2015 11:17 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:07 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 10:20 PM)Chappy Wrote:  If I were ranking ECU quarterbacks that I've seen, I'd put him behind David Garrard and Jeff Blake. I'd take him over Dominique Davis because I think Carden protected the football better than Davis, though occasionally he would do setting head-scratch-worthy with the ball.

Not sure if I'd put him ahead of James Pinkney, a hell of a QB who had the misfortune on playing on some terrible ECU squads.

That said, I tip my cap to Captain Carden, a fine QB who gave a lot to our university.

Thought you were talking about Patrick Pinkney for a second and was like WTF? But yeah James was pretty good

It's amazing that, with all the QBs we've had in that late 90s and throughout the 2000s, the only one with championships is Patrick.

Only Garrard played in a conference, Crandell and. Blake were in the Indy days.

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.

Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

It's not like Carden played great in all those losses and the team let him down. Carden generally played subpar in the 13 losses, to wit:

16 TD passes vs. 16 INTs including 3 Pick Sixes. So a net 13 passing TDs in 13 losses.

When he was on, he was great and the team was great. 70 TDS vs. 14 INTs in the 26 wins. But he was off about 1/3rd the time, and it was almost always in the biggest games.

That's not a coincidence. That's the difference between a very good college QB and a great one.

(01-04-2015 06:40 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.

Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

It's not like Carden played great in all those losses and the team let him down. Carden generally played subpar in the 13 losses, to wit:

16 TD passes vs. 16 INTs including 3 Pick Sixes. So a net 13 passing TDs in 13 losses.

When he was on, he was great and the team was great. 70 TDS vs. 14 INTs in the 26 wins. But he was off about 1/3rd the time, and it was almost always in the biggest games.

That's not a coincidence. That's the difference between a very good college QB and a great one.

This

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 11:03 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 10:51 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  But, hey let's judge his entire career at ECU on one game.

Carden is an accurate passer, and East Carolina never lost a game to a losing team with Carden starting.

But he never sniffed a conference title, and was 6-13 as a starter against teams that finished .500 or better including two bowl losses in three years.

A very good college QB. But not great.

Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

Really....

(01-04-2015 06:49 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 11:03 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 10:51 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  But, hey let's judge his entire career at ECU on one game.

Carden is an accurate passer, and East Carolina never lost a game to a losing team with Carden starting.

But he never sniffed a conference title, and was 6-13 as a starter against teams that finished .500 or better including two bowl losses in three years.

A very good college QB. But not great.

Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

Really....

Yes, really, 2012-13-14

http://espn.go.com/college-football/play...ane-carden

(01-04-2015 05:25 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 04:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 12:11 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Davis is iffy. He didn't have a crazy amount of tools, but that guy threw more pick 6s than anyone I've ever seen.

Davis also had the worst offensive line and running backs than any of those other quarterbacks; so ECU had no other way to score except by Davis slinging it. You remember Adam Elsawi. Davis was also quarterback when ECU had their worst defenses

Elsawi played with Carden too.

Sacks Allowed per game
D. Davis
2010: 1.15
2011: 2.50
S. Carden
2012: 2.55
2013: 2.31
2014: 2.46


Also both years D.Davis was here, his top 2 receivers were future NFL players

2010: Dwayne Harris, Lance Lewis
2011: Lance Lewis, Justin Hardy


I don't know which is better. I would probably give D. Davis a slight edge but it's not like he was throwing and catching the ball while blocking for himself while Carden could just sit in the pocket for days and just flip the ball out somewhere and it would magically get caught. That's miss-remembering. Carden did have more weapons but Davis did have a couple playmakers.

The defense thing is true but I'm not sure how much it affected stats. It's not like this defense has gotten an abundance of short fields for Carden.

Carden was definitely better at taking care of the ball. 86 TD's to 30 INTs. While Davis had 62 TDs to 35 INTs.

Carden had better running backs, so defenses had to honor ECU's ability to run the ball. Davis never had that luxury; in many cases Davis was the running game. So defenses just sat on ECU's running game.

(01-04-2015 06:40 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.

Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

It's not like Carden played great in all those losses and the team let him down. Carden generally played subpar in the 13 losses, to wit:

16 TD passes vs. 16 INTs including 3 Pick Sixes. So a net 13 passing TDs in 13 losses.

When he was on, he was great and the team was great. 70 TDS vs. 14 INTs in the 26 wins. But he was off about 1/3rd the time, and it was almost always in the biggest games.

That's not a coincidence. That's the difference between a very good college QB and a great one.

Oh, I'm sure that it was one person that cost us all those games. I'm sure that the defense, play callings, turn overs he had nothing to do with ever played a part. This year, Temple was the only lose he didn't throw for over 300 yards.

Carden in total amassed 12258 total yards, completed 1052 passes, with a completion % of 66.5% and 111 TD's, playing 40 games, 37 as a starter. He may not have the best NFL potential of all the QB's to play at ECU, but he has the best numbers hands down.

(01-04-2015 07:12 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:25 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 04:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 12:11 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Davis is iffy. He didn't have a crazy amount of tools, but that guy threw more pick 6s than anyone I've ever seen.

Davis also had the worst offensive line and running backs than any of those other quarterbacks; so ECU had no other way to score except by Davis slinging it. You remember Adam Elsawi. Davis was also quarterback when ECU had their worst defenses

Elsawi played with Carden too.

Sacks Allowed per game
D. Davis
2010: 1.15
2011: 2.50
S. Carden
2012: 2.55
2013: 2.31
2014: 2.46


Also both years D.Davis was here, his top 2 receivers were future NFL players

2010: Dwayne Harris, Lance Lewis
2011: Lance Lewis, Justin Hardy


I don't know which is better. I would probably give D. Davis a slight edge but it's not like he was throwing and catching the ball while blocking for himself while Carden could just sit in the pocket for days and just flip the ball out somewhere and it would magically get caught. That's miss-remembering. Carden did have more weapons but Davis did have a couple playmakers.

The defense thing is true but I'm not sure how much it affected stats. It's not like this defense has gotten an abundance of short fields for Carden.

Carden was definitely better at taking care of the ball. 86 TD's to 30 INTs. While Davis had 62 TDs to 35 INTs.

Carden had better running backs, so defenses had to honor ECU's ability to run the ball. Davis never had that luxury; in many cases Davis was the running game. So defenses just sat on ECU's running game.

BS, 2010 Davis had 3 SR RB, Norman Whitey, G. Ruffin, and Jonathan Williams. 2011 we did have issues at RB, but Davis was 4th in rushing, 2010 he was a distant 3rd. Davis in 2010 also had probably the best O-line under Ruff with 3 SR, 2 JR.

I'm not saying who is the best all time, you guys are trying down grade a Kid that gave his all to ECU and has been a great QB and ambassador for the University. Shane is a great QB and a better person, far better than any of you.

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 06:49 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 11:03 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Carden is an accurate passer, and East Carolina never lost a game to a losing team with Carden starting.

But he never sniffed a conference title, and was 6-13 as a starter against teams that finished .500 or better including two bowl losses in three years.

A very good college QB. But not great.

Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

Really....

Yes, really, 2012-13-14

http://espn.go.com/college-football/play...ane-carden

O you didn't get it. Not many QB's start for more than three years. In college you have a max of 4 years. Most(90% or higher I would imagine) do not starts their first year and of those I imagine a good percentage go pro before their senior season.

So I don't get your point... Starting three years is more than most QB's
He broke a lot of Davis records and he only started 2 years..

(01-04-2015 07:30 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 06:49 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

Really....

Yes, really, 2012-13-14

http://espn.go.com/college-football/play...ane-carden

O you didn't get it. Not many QB's start for more than three years. In college you have a max of 4 years. Most(90% or higher I would imagine) do not starts their first year and of those I imagine a good percentage go pro before their senior season.

So I don't get your point... Starting three years is more than most QB's
He broke a lot of Davis records and he only started 2 years..

Davis played here 2 years, true. But played 4 years total. Garrard had 4 years, Blake had 4, James P. 3 1/2. And Cougar Red's best ever had 6 years to play 4 and never won a conference championship.

And, no not many go pro early, about .5 a year over the past 15 years.

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 11:03 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 10:51 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  But, hey let's judge his entire career at ECU on one game.

Carden is an accurate passer, and East Carolina never lost a game to a losing team with Carden starting.

But he never sniffed a conference title, and was 6-13 as a starter against teams that finished .500 or better including two bowl losses in three years.

A very good college QB. But not great.

Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

My guess is because he isn't set up to be a good pro QB and didn't play long enough to be at the very top in statistical categories in college. That's the only thing I can figure. He was a very successful college QB.

Stats do not make you the best player.
Just like stats don't get you wins. Sort of like how ECU had more yards than UF, Temple, ect..... and still found ways capture defeat from the jaws of victory.

Carden top 5 ECU QB, Maybe Top 3.

(01-04-2015 07:30 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 06:49 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:42 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Telling stat.

Yeah, because it's ALL on ONE person's back to win a conference title and win those other games. He threw more TD's, had more passing yards, more completions than any other QB in school history and did it in only 3 years playing. And, he was the MVP of CUSA last year and the offense player of the year in the AAC this year.


Why are people so keen on taring him down? He had a great career and will end up in the ECU hall of fame. He will be remembered has one of the all time great players at ECU period.

Really....

Yes, really, 2012-13-14

http://espn.go.com/college-football/play...ane-carden

O you didn't get it. Not many QB's start for more than three years. In college you have a max of 4 years. Most(90% or higher I would imagine) do not starts their first year and of those I imagine a good percentage go pro before their senior season.

So I don't get your point... Starting three years is more than most QB's
He broke a lot of Davis records and he only started 2 years..

Carden finished 26th all time in passing yards. Every QB ahead of him started for at least 3 full seasons and part of a 4th except for Colt Brennan and Tim Rattay. #1 (Case Keenum) and #2 (Timmy Chang) all time were starters for at least a part of 5 different seasons.

It's not even like Carden was getting 2nd string snaps in his first 2 seasons (including redshirt year) when he wasn't the starter. He was playing on the scout team.