Carden led ECU to glory with wins over UNC (twice), NC St and Va Tech. And one bowl win over Ohio. But no conference titles. No CUSA division titles.

A loss today drops his bowl record to 1-2. Time for him to step up and be a senior.

(01-03-2015 01:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Carden led ECU to glory with wins over UNC (twice), NC St and Va Tech. And one bowl win over Ohio. But no conference titles. No CUSA division titles.

A loss today drops his bowl record to 1-2. Time for him to step up and be a senior.

Hard for him to do when we decide to take him out at the 5 yard line and put in his backup, who has played a handful of snaps in his college career, so he can fumble the ball away. The interception was bad but other than that he is completing 63% of his passes and has over 200 yards at halftime. Unless he can play DB I don't know what he could have done differently to accomplish some of those goals that the team hasn't reached while he was here.

Ugh. And that's all she wrote.

Interesting how many folks on here slag Carden for being overrated, but who would have given their left nut to have had him under center for their team. He is, admittedly, a system QB, but he makes far more great decisions, reads, and plays than poor ones. I'd like to have seen our conference mates offenses against the Gators' defense. They might have done better, but I doubt it.

(01-03-2015 02:05 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Carden led ECU to glory with wins over UNC (twice), NC St and Va Tech. And one bowl win over Ohio. But no conference titles. No CUSA division titles.

A loss today drops his bowl record to 1-2. Time for him to step up and be a senior.

Hard for him to do when we decide to take him out at the 5 yard line and put in his backup, who has played a handful of snaps in his college career, so he can fumble the ball away. The interception was bad but other than that he is completing 63% of his passes and has over 200 yards at halftime. Unless he can play DB I don't know what he could have done differently to accomplish some of those goals that the team hasn't reached while he was here.

Wasn't a fumble. Completely agree with the idea to add a second dimension in the redzone, but we got them, and should've handed it off on the second one.

(01-03-2015 03:48 PM)Biz Prof Wrote:  Interesting how many folks on here slag Carden for being overrated, but who would have given their left nut to have had him under center for their team. He is, admittedly, a system QB, but he makes far more great decisions, reads, and plays than poor ones. I'd like to have seen our conference mates offenses against the Gators' defense. They might have done better, but I doubt it.

I LOL'd he hasn't taken a snap under center except in the victory formation.

Tough way to end his career but I'm still a fan. Thanks for the memories Carden!

(01-03-2015 03:50 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 03:48 PM)Biz Prof Wrote:  Interesting how many folks on here slag Carden for being overrated, but who would have given their left nut to have had him under center for their team. He is, admittedly, a system QB, but he makes far more great decisions, reads, and plays than poor ones. I'd like to have seen our conference mates offenses against the Gators' defense. They might have done better, but I doubt it.

I LOL'd he hasn't taken a snap under center except in the victory formation.

Good point. ;-)

(01-03-2015 03:50 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 02:05 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Carden led ECU to glory with wins over UNC (twice), NC St and Va Tech. And one bowl win over Ohio. But no conference titles. No CUSA division titles.

A loss today drops his bowl record to 1-2. Time for him to step up and be a senior.

Hard for him to do when we decide to take him out at the 5 yard line and put in his backup, who has played a handful of snaps in his college career, so he can fumble the ball away. The interception was bad but other than that he is completing 63% of his passes and has over 200 yards at halftime. Unless he can play DB I don't know what he could have done differently to accomplish some of those goals that the team hasn't reached while he was here.

Wasn't a fumble. Completely agree with the idea to add a second dimension in the redzone, but we got them, and should've handed it off on the second one.

Yup the plan worked pretty well but running the play again didn't.

I'm sure I'm just overly critical of my own team but it seems like when we lose we find all kinds of crazy ways to do so.

Our trick plays (if you don't count the Benkert run as a trick play) went 0-fer today. Sometimes I wish we would just line up and run our offense instead of completely abandoning the run or running trick plays. Oh well just didn't have quite enough today. Looking forward to next year.

Please please let us have a kicker and a secondary!

(01-03-2015 04:07 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 03:50 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 02:05 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Carden led ECU to glory with wins over UNC (twice), NC St and Va Tech. And one bowl win over Ohio. But no conference titles. No CUSA division titles.

A loss today drops his bowl record to 1-2. Time for him to step up and be a senior.

Hard for him to do when we decide to take him out at the 5 yard line and put in his backup, who has played a handful of snaps in his college career, so he can fumble the ball away. The interception was bad but other than that he is completing 63% of his passes and has over 200 yards at halftime. Unless he can play DB I don't know what he could have done differently to accomplish some of those goals that the team hasn't reached while he was here.

Wasn't a fumble. Completely agree with the idea to add a second dimension in the redzone, but we got them, and should've handed it off on the second one.

Yup the plan worked pretty well but running the play again didn't.

I'm sure I'm just overly critical of my own team but it seems like when we lose we find all kinds of crazy ways to do so.

Our trick plays (if you don't count the Benkert run as a trick play) went 0-fer today. Sometimes I wish we would just line up and run our offense instead of completely abandoning the run or running trick plays. Oh well just didn't have quite enough today. Looking forward to next year.

Please please let us have a kicker and a secondary!

We couldn't run the ball. It was one yard, 2 yards, one yard, 6 yards, repeat.

Forgive me if I wrong, but wasn't the missed tackling a bigger issue for ECU today. From what I saw they couldn't consistently wrap up and it cost them. That and taking poor angles on the simple WR screen where they couldn't even lay a hand on the WR.

(01-03-2015 04:48 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Forgive me if I wrong, but wasn't the missed tackling a bigger issue for ECU today. From what I saw they couldn't consistently wrap up and it cost them. That and taking poor angles on the simple WR screen where they couldn't even lay a hand on the WR.

Defense played great. One or two big plays from UF. We left too many points on the board.

The defense played well enough for us to win. We left too many opportunities on the field. Carden played well for the most part. I believe he had 427 yards passing (if the stat I saw on tv was correct). He just made a poor throw at the end.

I think the OP was prescient.

Final verdict on Carden: Very good, not great.

(01-03-2015 06:18 PM)J_Coog Wrote:  I think the OP was prescient.

Final verdict on Carden: Very good, not great.

Not really. If ECU won and his stats were a little better would you rate him great? It was the Birmingham bowl not the national championship. His stats are what they are. Not many players ahead of him on the all time passing list that started for less than 3 complete seasons, but he was a high volume passer who had his share of dud games against good defenses.

I hate to say this (because I know i'll inevitably be labeled troll or something) but I was not impressed with Carden. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights. His feet were never set, he threw off his back foot avoiding pressure a lot, he was antsy and not confident at all. Fortunately, that's not all on him, but in part on his O-line. But there's only so much you can do when playing a secondary like UF. I remember one play he was scanning for a good 10 seconds before getting sacked, just trying to find someone open. I think Carden's high numbers are due to the skill and athleticism of the WR's and not so much the QB. He made some pretty poor decisions that were pulled out by the WR's. Of course, the interceptions and the close calls are when he made a mistake and the WR's just couldn't pull it out of the fire for him.

(01-03-2015 07:08 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I hate to say this (because I know i'll inevitably be labeled troll or something) but I was not impressed with Carden. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights. His feet were never set, he threw off his back foot avoiding pressure a lot, he was antsy and not confident at all. Fortunately, that's not all on him, but in part on his O-line. But there's only so much you can do when playing a secondary like UF. I remember one play he was scanning for a good 10 seconds before getting sacked, just trying to find someone open. I think Carden's high numbers are due to the skill and athleticism of the WR's and not so much the QB. He made some pretty poor decisions that were pulled out by the WR's. Of course, the interceptions and the close calls are when he made a mistake and the WR's just couldn't pull it out of the fire for him.

Maybe he makes those throws because he knows the receivers will catch him?

If I were ranking ECU quarterbacks that I've seen, I'd put him behind David Garrard and Jeff Blake. I'd take him over Dominique Davis because I think Carden protected the football better than Davis, though occasionally he would do setting head-scratch-worthy with the ball.

Not sure if I'd put him ahead of James Pinkney, a hell of a QB who had the misfortune on playing on some terrible ECU squads.

That said, I tip my cap to Captain Carden, a fine QB who gave a lot to our university.

(01-03-2015 07:08 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I hate to say this (because I know i'll inevitably be labeled troll or something) but I was not impressed with Carden. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights. His feet were never set, he threw off his back foot avoiding pressure a lot, he was antsy and not confident at all. Fortunately, that's not all on him, but in part on his O-line. But there's only so much you can do when playing a secondary like UF. I remember one play he was scanning for a good 10 seconds before getting sacked, just trying to find someone open. I think Carden's high numbers are due to the skill and athleticism of the WR's and not so much the QB. He made some pretty poor decisions that were pulled out by the WR's. Of course, the interceptions and the close calls are when he made a mistake and the WR's just couldn't pull it out of the fire for him.

Dude, he had 427 yards passing against a top 10 defense. Ended the seas with 4,736 passing, and 11,991 career passing yards. Completed over 65% of his passing through out his career. There is hardly a QB record at ECU he doesn't own and that's with likes of Jeff Blake, David Garrard, and Marcus Crandell. Yes he has great WR's and he knows more times than not they will win those one on one battles.

The two INTs today were not those one on ones. The pick 6 was double coverage and Hardy cut behind the guy that picked it, where he should have cut in front. The one at the end of the game was all on Shane. But, hey let's judge his entire career at ECU on one game.

(01-03-2015 10:51 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 07:08 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I hate to say this (because I know i'll inevitably be labeled troll or something) but I was not impressed with Carden. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights. His feet were never set, he threw off his back foot avoiding pressure a lot, he was antsy and not confident at all. Fortunately, that's not all on him, but in part on his O-line. But there's only so much you can do when playing a secondary like UF. I remember one play he was scanning for a good 10 seconds before getting sacked, just trying to find someone open. I think Carden's high numbers are due to the skill and athleticism of the WR's and not so much the QB. He made some pretty poor decisions that were pulled out by the WR's. Of course, the interceptions and the close calls are when he made a mistake and the WR's just couldn't pull it out of the fire for him.

Dude, he had 427 yards passing against a top 10 defense. Ended the seas with 4,736 passing, and 11,991 career passing yards. Completed over 65% of his passing through out his career. There is hardly a QB record at ECU he doesn't own and that's with likes of Jeff Blake, David Garrard, and Marcus Crandell. Yes he has great WR's and he knows more times than not they will win those one on one battles.

The two INTs today were not those one on ones. The pick 6 was double coverage and Hardy cut behind the guy that picked it, where he should have cut in front. The one at the end of the game was all on Shane. But, hey let's judge his entire career at ECU on one game.

Stats are a product of the system, and your pace of play.

Stats don't mean anything in terms of Quarterback skill (see Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, Landry Jones, Rakeem Cato, etc.)

The Wide Receivers saved him multiple times. All else, he looked like a timid deer caught in the headlights of a semi. Also, it's not hard to have a 65% completion rate when you throw 70% slants, screens, comeback routes.