Re: Hare isn't Harnish.

To be fair, this doesn't tell you the entire story. Harnish's freshman year he was a freshman who only had spring ball and a fall practice in his system. Even his sophomore year, the current system we are in now is more QB friendly than Kill's system. Also, Harnish took a huge step forward before his junior year and I'm not sure if that's a realistic expectation for Hare.

But numbers are numbers and they do tell a story.

Harnish's Freshman Season:
1528 yards
55.9% completion (211 attempts
8 TD
9 INT
539 yards rushing
4.6 YPC
4 TD

Harnish's Sophomore Season:
1670 yards
64% completion (223 attepmts)
11 TD
6 INT
229 yards rushing
2.9 YPC
2 TD

Hare's Sophomore Season:
2097 yards
59.9% completion (299 attempts)
17 TD
2 INT
850 yards rushing
5.9 YPC
8 TD

So was he Junior/Senior year Harnish? No, but he was better than Harnish in both of Harnish's first two years as a starter, and it really wasn't close.

He can improve his accuracy, but what you can't teach is his decision making. He's only thrown 2 picks all year, and as I've said before it's not like he had very many almost interceptions. Very rarely does he make a throw he shouldn't have.

(12-22-2014 12:58 PM)7 Wrote:  Re: Hare isn't Harnish.

To be fair, this doesn't tell you the entire story. Harnish's freshman year he was a freshman who only had spring ball and a fall practice in his system. Even his sophomore year, the current system we are in now is more QB friendly than Kill's system. Also, Harnish took a huge step forward before his junior year and I'm not sure if that's a realistic expectation for Hare.

But numbers are numbers and they do tell a story.

Harnish's Freshman Season:
1528 yards
55.9% completion (211 attempts
8 TD
9 INT
539 yards rushing
4.6 YPC
4 TD

Harnish's Sophomore Season:
1670 yards
64% completion (223 attepmts)
11 TD
6 INT
229 yards rushing
2.9 YPC
2 TD

Hare's Sophomore Season:
2097 yards
59.9% completion (299 attempts)
17 TD
2 INT
850 yards rushing
5.9 YPC
8 TD

So was he Junior/Senior year Harnish? No, but he was better than Harnish in both of Harnish's first two years as a starter, and it really wasn't close.

He can improve his accuracy, but what you can't teach is his decision making. He's only thrown 2 picks all year, and as I've said before it's not like he had very many almost interceptions. Very rarely does he make a throw he shouldn't have.

Admittedly, Harnish missed about a third of his sophomore season due to injury and when he came back he wasn't very good, but point taken.

(12-22-2014 10:29 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Damn...just creeped twitter, looks like he's gone...

12/13/14 - One of his tweets he's congratulated on his new journey at Kansas State, but corrects the tweeter saying he is "not sure where he is going just yet"

HE GONE!

Can that be part of the Big 12 joiners fee, handing Kansas St their qb of the future

(12-22-2014 10:51 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 10:48 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Somebody wake up MD, he's gonna lose his sh*t over this

First Casey Weston, now Root. MD's record of picking the next great NIU QB isn't looking too good at this point.

I was not really high on Weston, I just thought he should get a chance to compete for the job. This scenario is different, NIU lost a P5 type QB just because of internal dysfunction earlier this year.

Hey - You must spell dysfunction as 11-2 MAC Champs - lot of teams want that dysfunction

(12-22-2014 01:06 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 10:51 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 10:48 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Somebody wake up MD, he's gonna lose his sh*t over this

First Casey Weston, now Root. MD's record of picking the next great NIU QB isn't looking too good at this point.

I was not really high on Weston, I just thought he should get a chance to compete for the job. This scenario is different, NIU lost a P5 type QB just because of internal dysfunction earlier this year.

A P5 type QB with offers from NIU, Tulsa, and Harvard coming out of high school lol.

(12-22-2014 01:08 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Hey - You must spell dysfunction as 11-2 MAC Champs - lot of teams want that dysfunction

How come everything has to be black and white when it comes to talking about coaches. The turn around these players and coaches were able to pull off is REMARKABLE, and deserves tons and tons of credit. I don't think anyone could have seen it coming. Having said that, you cant dismiss the first half of the year that was basically thrown away because of the circus. What happened early in the year put NIU a month behind the timeline, no way NIU should have lost to CMU at home. We might be talking about NIU playing Boise's spot had things been decided earlier.

How did NIU not being able to stop a simple stretch play against CMU have anything to do with how the QB derby was handled?

(12-22-2014 01:14 PM)7 Wrote:  How did NIU not being able to stop a simple stretch play against CMU have anything to do with how the QB derby was handled?

Your defense would not have been on the field the whole game if the offense would have done anything.

Tough week for the MAC West, Root gone to the Big 12 in football and Applewhite left UT for bball.

(12-22-2014 11:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Seems like a HUGE opportunity for an incoming FR to RS in 2015, get some team reps in 2016 and then be THE guy in 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Agree completely. Over the last several years our staff, current staff included, has shown an ability to develop QBs, and adjust the game plan to the skill sets of the QB. Hare's impressive numbers are in part due to the scheme being somewhat limited. I have watched both Ingold's and Santa's highlight film. Both are really talented, but they are only HS kids. How good they can be depends on their commitment, the coaches doing there thing, and most importantly how they develop/mature physically and mentally. For the foreseeable future, Hare is the man...and Maddie (and Graham) better always be ready.

FYI - CMU is dysfunctional. They are loaded with talent, but thanks to ENOS they can't put it together for a season.

(12-22-2014 01:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 01:14 PM)7 Wrote:  How did NIU not being able to stop a simple stretch play against CMU have anything to do with how the QB derby was handled?

Your defense would not have been on the field the whole game if the offense would have done anything.

7 vs MD02 discussing "ifs and buts" from CMU game.

(12-22-2014 01:26 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Seems like a HUGE opportunity for an incoming FR to RS in 2015, get some team reps in 2016 and then be THE guy in 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Agree completely. Over the last several years our staff, current staff included, has shown an ability to develop QBs, and adjust the game plan to the skill sets of the QB. Hare's impressive numbers are in part due to the scheme being somewhat limited. I have watched both Ingold's and Santa's highlight film. Both are really talented, but they are only HS kids. How good they can be depends on their commitment, the coaches doing there thing, and most importantly how they develop/mature physically and mentally. For the foreseeable future, Hare is the man...and Maddie (and Graham) better always be ready.

Graham.

If he wasn't going to play, can't blame him for leaving. This happens all the time with freshmen that come in, especially from out of state, and NIU continues to survive after all of them. We'll be ok.

That being said, re: QB depth, it is scary if Mac really isn't going to play the spot next year, it'd be nice to find a JC transfer there.

Not buying the "he didn't want to sit out" excuse. He's going to have to sit out next year now anyways. So he would have had to sit an extra year here? Something else was going on. He most likely just wanted to be closer to home.

(12-22-2014 01:33 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  If he wasn't going to play, can't blame him for leaving. This happens all the time with freshmen that come in, especially from out of state, and NIU continues to survive after all of them. We'll be ok.

That being said, re: QB depth, it is scary if Mac really isn't going to play the spot next year, it'd be nice to find a JC transfer there.

I agree with you in part, but when someone leaves, wouldn't just clear your head more if that person got an opportunity to succeed? On paper its obviously not even close with Root's athletic ability compared to the other qB's. It just cannot be good for a program to have someone with that much ability not even have a chance to earn playing time. He will find a spot somewhere in the Big 12.

(12-22-2014 01:35 PM)7 Wrote:  Not buying the "he didn't want to sit out" excuse. He's going to have to sit out next year now anyways. So he would have had to sit an extra year here? Something else was going on. He most likely just wanted to be closer to home.

It was probably a combination of things, that likely being one of them.

That's why I don't think Maddie will transfer again. Yeah, he's only the backup but he's still got a chance to see some time, he's really close to home, and he's got buddies on the team from high school.

(12-22-2014 01:35 PM)7 Wrote:  Not buying the "he didn't want to sit out" excuse. He's going to have to sit out next year now anyways. So he would have had to sit an extra year here? Something else was going on. He most likely just wanted to be closer to home.

So how does that work? He'll go 2 years without getting on the field and then have 4 years of playing? Heck he'll be 24 as a red-shirt senior.........

(12-22-2014 01:35 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 01:33 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  If he wasn't going to play, can't blame him for leaving. This happens all the time with freshmen that come in, especially from out of state, and NIU continues to survive after all of them. We'll be ok.

That being said, re: QB depth, it is scary if Mac really isn't going to play the spot next year, it'd be nice to find a JC transfer there.

I agree with you in part, but when someone leaves, wouldn't just clear your head more if that person got an opportunity to succeed? On paper its obviously not even close with Root's athletic ability compared to the other qB's. It just cannot be good for a program to have someone with that much ability not even have a chance to earn playing time. He will find a spot somewhere in the Big 12.

Typical MD talking out of both sides of his mouth. One minute it's "the coaches are ruining the season with this QB controversy". The next minute it's "lets allow a QB no one knows how good he is, but I think he is Jesus Christ with shoulder pads, to compete for the starting job when the previous QB threw two INTs all year and led the team to 11-2 and a MAC Championship". I didn't want to see Root leave either, but please stop acting like Jordan Lynch and Chandler Harnish's love child just left the program.