(12-11-2014 10:17 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:09 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  The Big XII will die on the vine, regardless of what they do. They are turning into another SWC. Never had any vision other than the Longhorn vision. I am amazed that the Sooners put up with it...

The SWC never had the clout or money the Big 12 makes. The SWC was dead because it became a Texas centered conference. In business---- you don't normally give money to the homeless. Why should the Big 12 expand to help the homeless? At the end of the day--- the Big 12 conference is in business to make money.

OU tried to leave and they were told NO. OU along with OSU know they are tied with Texas & Texas Tech. Those 4 are a package deal.

OU wasn't told no. They were told to go ahead and leave but that if they did Texas was going to leave for the ACC not the PAC. Big difference.

You are trying to paint a picture that simply isn't true. It's just propaganda.

SMU and Houston will never be in the Big 12

(12-11-2014 11:09 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:50 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If the Big12 was in the Money making business. Then they would have worked together to build a television network. How much money is not coming to the conference just because they have no network or championship game.

As Pony stated---- UT tried to get A&M to start a "Lonestar? network and former A&M AD Bill Byrne wanted no part of it.

Our schools make the same as PAC, SEC, ACC and Big 10 schools make. Besides---- we are a Texas based conference. If we had a conference network--- who would watch it?

No you don't. You make the same as the SEC espn deal. But with the new network. The SEC will be making a lot more.

(12-11-2014 11:18 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Give it a rest RaiderRed... tech at Lubbock isn't and never was.

Where is UH and why aren't they in a P5 conference? Houston has a history of good football and great fan support.

(12-11-2014 11:15 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:07 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:01 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:46 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas no longer has a Tech problem

The 4 of us are tied together and we view it as a partnership. All 4 of us benefit the other in different ways. I want to beat all 3 on the field but I respect all 3 as well.

Not anymore you are

Then enlighten all of us and explain who they are tied to? SMU, Houston?

Great schools in fertile rich recruiting grounds and our 2 largest cities don't have P5 schools

I can tell you this much, tech isn't tied to anyone anymore... I think even the biggest of knee pads outhere isn't going to help tech at Lubbock this one time.

Texas worked out a deal when A&M left - no Tech or Baylor problem

(12-11-2014 11:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas worked out a deal when A&M left - no Tech or Baylor problem

That makes sense. I don't think Texas will want to go anywhere alone though. I think Baylor likely tags along but Lubbock is way out west.

(12-11-2014 11:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:17 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:09 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  The Big XII will die on the vine, regardless of what they do. They are turning into another SWC. Never had any vision other than the Longhorn vision. I am amazed that the Sooners put up with it...

The SWC never had the clout or money the Big 12 makes. The SWC was dead because it became a Texas centered conference. In business---- you don't normally give money to the homeless. Why should the Big 12 expand to help the homeless? At the end of the day--- the Big 12 conference is in business to make money.

OU tried to leave and they were told NO. OU along with OSU know they are tied with Texas & Texas Tech. Those 4 are a package deal.

OU wasn't told no. They were told to go ahead and leave but that if they did Texas was going to leave for the ACC not the PAC. Big difference.

You are trying to paint a picture that simply isn't true. It's just propaganda.

Can you provide a link for that? I have Level 1 info from Tech insiders that OU tried to leave and they were told no. Who told them NO is up for debate. Texas was never interested in the ACC.

(12-11-2014 11:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:09 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:50 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If the Big12 was in the Money making business. Then they would have worked together to build a television network. How much money is not coming to the conference just because they have no network or championship game.

As Pony stated---- UT tried to get A&M to start a "Lonestar? network and former A&M AD Bill Byrne wanted no part of it.

Our schools make the same as PAC, SEC, ACC and Big 10 schools make. Besides---- we are a Texas based conference. If we had a conference network--- who would watch it?

No you don't. You make the same as the SEC espn deal. But with the new network. The SEC will be making a lot more.

All 5 conferences are making insane amounts of money. The difference is we split it among 10 instead of 12 or 14.

I still think Texoma4 to PAC16 will happen...but maybe just me. Tech will be fine...despite current success, Baylor and TCU have fewer options.

(12-11-2014 11:36 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:17 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:09 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  The Big XII will die on the vine, regardless of what they do. They are turning into another SWC. Never had any vision other than the Longhorn vision. I am amazed that the Sooners put up with it...

The SWC never had the clout or money the Big 12 makes. The SWC was dead because it became a Texas centered conference. In business---- you don't normally give money to the homeless. Why should the Big 12 expand to help the homeless? At the end of the day--- the Big 12 conference is in business to make money.

OU tried to leave and they were told NO. OU along with OSU know they are tied with Texas & Texas Tech. Those 4 are a package deal.

OU wasn't told no. They were told to go ahead and leave but that if they did Texas was going to leave for the ACC not the PAC. Big difference.

You are trying to paint a picture that simply isn't true. It's just propaganda.

Can you provide a link for that? I have Level 1 info from Tech insiders that OU tried to leave and they were told no. Who told them NO is up for debate. Texas was never interested in the ACC.

You have your "sources" while I have actual video of Dodds talking to an actual Chamber of Commerce about the business of Texas Athletics.





He starts talking realignment around the 19 minute mark. I know, you are probably going to start calling him a liar. It is usually what most Big 12 folks do when they see this. I am sure it is quite shocking.

Dodds is long gine

(12-11-2014 11:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dodds is long gine

That doesn't mean no one at Texas shared his views. He wasn't run out of there.

(12-11-2014 11:27 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:18 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Give it a rest RaiderRed... tech at Lubbock isn't and never was.

Where is UH and why aren't they in a P5 conference? Houston has a history of good football and great fan support.

Houston isn't in a p5 conference b/c of its lack of athletic support then, but has now aggressively turn the corner with its elevation to Tier1 status and a beautiful new football stadium.

(12-11-2014 11:28 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:15 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:07 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:01 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:46 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas no longer has a Tech problem

The 4 of us are tied together and we view it as a partnership. All 4 of us benefit the other in different ways. I want to beat all 3 on the field but I respect all 3 as well.

Not anymore you are

Then enlighten all of us and explain who they are tied to? SMU, Houston?

Great schools in fertile rich recruiting grounds and our 2 largest cities don't have P5 schools

I can tell you this much, tech isn't tied to anyone anymore... I think even the biggest of knee pads outhere isn't going to help tech at Lubbock this one time.

I'm sorry Tech pissed you off but we have a seat and we play in one the best conferences in the country.

(12-11-2014 11:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas worked out a deal when A&M left - no Tech or Baylor problem

That makes sense. I don't think Texas will want to go anywhere alone though. I think Baylor likely tags along but Lubbock is way out west.

Baylor, the school that Texas tried to leave twice?

(12-11-2014 11:43 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas worked out a deal when A&M left - no Tech or Baylor problem

That makes sense. I don't think Texas will want to go anywhere alone though. I think Baylor likely tags along but Lubbock is way out west.

Baylor, the school that Texas tried to leave twice?

Baylor is not the Baylor it used to be. It has a brand new shiny Stadium that is tailor made for TV. They have one of the strongest Athletic Departments in the conference in regards to the money sports.

Top notch Football and Basketball programs and a top notch women's basketball program. What does Tech have? I am not trying to start a pissing match but if you are going to dodge the major points then so be it.

(12-11-2014 11:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dodds is long gine

That doesn't mean no one at Texas shared his views. He wasn't run out of there.

Dodds was told thanks but get out. He oversaw the biggest athletic budget in the country and produced very little considering.

(12-11-2014 10:09 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  The Big XII will die on the vine, regardless of what they do. They are turning into another SWC. Never had any vision other than the Longhorn vision. I am amazed that the Sooners put up with it...

Spot on. The brand has been diluted by favoritism and being short sited. The only thing that keep the conference from imploding when Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska and MIZZU left was it happened so fast and unexpected that the remaining members had no plan in place for a safe landing. They circled the wagons and signed the GOR so they wouldn't be left out in the cold. The reason they don't want to expand at this time is because they know that the only available canidates will not strengthen the brand but maybe dilute it. You can bet your bottom dollar when the GOR expires this time schools like Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas will not be caught with their pants down. I'm sure they have had or will have secret discussions with conferences that are like minded, stable and financially secure. Not sure how much Kansas & Oklahoma are tied to Kansas State & Oklahoma State. The only Hail Mary they have is convincing FSU, Clemson or Miami after ACC GOR expires is to move to a football centered conference. I just don't see that happening but that's probably their only chance of remaining a P5 conference.

(12-11-2014 11:41 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:28 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:15 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:07 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:01 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  The 4 of us are tied together and we view it as a partnership. All 4 of us benefit the other in different ways. I want to beat all 3 on the field but I respect all 3 as well.

Not anymore you are

Then enlighten all of us and explain who they are tied to? SMU, Houston?

Great schools in fertile rich recruiting grounds and our 2 largest cities don't have P5 schools

I can tell you this much, tech isn't tied to anyone anymore... I think even the biggest of knee pads outhere isn't going to help tech at Lubbock this one time.

I'm sorry Tech pissed you off but we have a seat and we play in one the best conferences in the country.

tech at Lubbock didn't pissed me off... But I can see something that doesn't make any business sense a mile away.

And Lubbock a no market nothing brings to the table is one.